Williams, Kopitar, Gaborik 4 goals total last 13 games

[kingsfan]

You would be wrong, that was response to the Kings in general being tired due to a lot of games played.

I never even mentioned Kopitar, in that reply.

I don't think Kopitar is tired at all, or any Kings player. Brown looks fine as a matter of fact. Quick has well.

Then I stand corrected.

Now, if Toews and Kopitar's production is relatively equal, isn't it fair to say both are having relatively equal seasons? If so, you said Toews is having a good year so therefore isn't Kopitar?

 

[damacles1156]

Then I stand corrected.

Now, if Toews and Kopitar's production is relatively equal, isn't it fair to say both are having relatively equal seasons? If so, you said Toews is having a good year so therefore isn't Kopitar?

Again, where have I said anywhere in this thread Kopitar is having a down year ?

Kopitar's road numbers are down, that's about it(and a FACT). That is pretty much the only thing I have brought up in this thread.

Kopitar will be signing his extension at an advanced age in relation to Toews/Kane. That effects prime production years, and what teams pay for.

 

[kingsfan]

Again, where have I said anywhere in this thread Kopitar is having a down year ?

Kopitar's road numbers are down, that's about it(and a FACT). That is pretty much the only thing I have brought up in this thread.

Kopitar will be signing his extension at an advanced age in relation to Toews/Kane. That effects prime production years, and what teams pay for.

So he's having a good year then? Yes or no. Rather simple question to answer really.

 

[damacles1156]

Kopitar is having a career average year. There is nothing wrong with that.

I don't know why people are saying that's bad or good. It's average for Kopitar, other than his wonky road stats.

 

[TopT]

Kopitar is having a career average year. There is nothing wrong with that.

I don't know why people are saying that's bad or good. It's average for Kopitar, other than his wonky road stats.

Kopitar scores 80 points all at Staples 0 on road; did he have a good year ?
I mean this is nitpicking at its finest.
Its not good enough that he scores; he has to do it at proportional amount on the road, at home on PP and on 5-5; everything else is unecaptable.
Come on guys

 

[Arrhizal]

So in a year where not a single NHL player is projected to go over 90 points, Kopitar being a few games shy 70 points is bad.

And you can quit your 26-29 crap, damacles. Nice skew. They are two years apart, not three like you make it out to be. Toews signed an extension at 26 and Kopitar will probably sign it at 28. Next year. Towes will be 27 when the deal kicks in and Kopitar will be 29. Two years. And noone here is saying Kopitar should go for more than 9 mil which at 8 years is still 12mil less overall than Towes. Maybe this makes up for those two years, eh?

 

[Reclamation Project]

It's better to overpay than lose out. This team wouldn't even make the playoffs without Kopitar. He does so much that contributes to winning even without scoring.

 

[Choralone]

Just start a "Value of: Anze Kopitar" thread on the Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk subforum and watch the fireworks begin. If Anze decided he wanted to get paid, someone, somewhere would pay him. Meanwhile, no matter what trade we'd made we'd have a huge hole in the lineup and any pretensions of a dynasty would end then and there.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Just start a "Value of: Anze Kopitar" thread on the Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk subforum and watch the fireworks begin. If Anze decided he wanted to get paid, someone, somewhere would pay him. Meanwhile, no matter what trade we'd made we'd have a huge hole in the lineup and any pretensions of a dynasty would end then and there.

Maple Leaf fans be like: Kopitar/Richards/Toffoli for a third straight up. It's a second if you include Pearson.

 

[Trolfoli]

There isn't much of a debate....

Kings without Kopitar have no chance at contending. So you sign him because the Kings do not have a replacement. If it takes 9M at 8 years that is the cost. Now his play will probably fall of at some point in the next decade... but that is the cost of contending now..... It isn't that people don't know Kopitar's play is going to drop at some point.... it's that it doesn't matter.

Also holding low numbers against someone like Kopitar, who is one of the cornerstones in a defense first system would be a great way to piss him off.... Kopitar's on a team that sacrifices offense so they grind out games.... and Lombardi is going to sit down and say we don't feel you are scoring enough for 9M.

People here should be happy if he doesn't ask for 10... Cause he'll get it UFA.

 

[Trolfoli]

Maple Leaf fans be like: Kopitar/Richards/Toffoli for a third straight up. It's a second if you include Pearson.

Leafs don't touch that Bozak > Kopitar. We don't need a center that can't score.

 

[KINGS17]

There isn't much of a debate....

Kings without Kopitar have no chance at contending. So you sign him because the Kings do not have a replacement. If it takes 9M at 8 years that is the cost. Now his play will probably fall of at some point in the next decade... but that is the cost of contending now..... It isn't that people don't know Kopitar's play is going to drop at some point.... it's that it doesn't matter.

Also holding low numbers against someone like Kopitar, who is one of the cornerstones in a defense first system would be a great way to piss him off.... Kopitar's on a team that sacrifices offense so they grind out games.... and Lombardi is going to sit down and say we don't feel you are scoring enough for 9M.

People here should be happy if he doesn't ask for 10... Cause he'll get it UFA.

Do this, and I think Doughty will go someplace where he can win and get paid. You give Kopitar a max contract with declining performance (mostly indicated by the number of shots on goal he is getting this season), and he will be highly overpaid by the time he hits 33-34 years of age, with 3 or 4 years remaining on his deal.

I'll say it again, Kopitar got his money on his 2nd contract. He was overpaid when that deal started. I am betting that Dean reminds him of that. He still gets close to $50M if he takes 6 years and around $8M a season. Anything more is going to have a negative impact on the entire roster. I actually think Kopitar isn't a selfish guy and will take less to keep the band together. Finishing in LA with 3 - 5 Stanley Cups would be an incredible legacy, but he is going to need help. If he wants to win, he has to leave some money on the table.

I really don't care what he can get on the open market. Where is he going to go and get a max contract? Good teams already have cap issues and can't afford him on that kind of deal. I suppose he could move on to Nashville and get the 90 points all of you are sure he would score in a different system (fat chance).

 

[TopT]

Do this, and I think Doughty will go someplace where he can win and get paid. You give Kopitar a max contract with declining performance (mostly indicated by the number of shots on goal he is getting this season), and he will be highly overpaid by the time he hits 33-34 years of age, with 3 or 4 years remaining on his deal.

I'll say it again, Kopitar got his money on his 2nd contract. He was overpaid when that deal started. I am betting that Dean reminds him of that. He still gets close to $50M if he takes 6 years and around $8M a season. Anything more is going to have a negative impact on the entire roster. I actually think Kopitar isn't a selfish guy and will take less to keep the band together. Finishing in LA with 3 - 5 Stanley Cups would be an incredible legacy, but he is going to need help. If he wants to win, he has to leave some money on the table.

And DD didnt ? Lets not forget how mister money man was holding out.
You do know that Kessel makes 8M

 

[KINGS17]

And DD didnt ? Lets not forget how mister money man was holding out.
You do know that Kessel makes 8M

...and Kessel is worth every penny!

Stop throwing out BS contracts that Dean would never offer as comps.

Doughty did indeed get paid. He also gave up two UFA seasons. It was a fair trade and Doughty is earning every penny of his deal.

These are the Los Angeles Kings, not the Toronto Maple Leafs or Philadelphia Flyers where stupid money is thrown at players.

 

[TopT]

...and Kessel is worth every penny!

Stop throwing out BS contracts that Dean would never offer as comps.

Doughty did indeed get paid. He also gave up two UFA seasons. It was a fair trade and Doughty is earning every penny of his deal.

These are the Los Angeles Kings, not the Toronto Maple Leafs or Philadelphia Flyers where stupid money is thrown at players.

I am guessing Kopi doesnt ?

 

[YP44]

What is wrong with you.
Being reasonable in this thread is a sin.

BTW Kopi missed 3 games this year so if we included that in his PPG he would be on same pace as last year. Oh why do I even bother

PPG already takes into account amount of games played...you know that's where the "per game" part comes in.

Oh why do I even bother haha

 

[YP44]

Kopitar is having a career average year. There is nothing wrong with that.

I don't know why people are saying that's bad or good. It's average for Kopitar, other than his wonky road stats.

i would say slightly below average, but feel it's more of a one off.

 

[TopT]

PPG already takes into account amount of games played...you know that's where the "per game" part comes in.

Oh why do I even bother haha

Ok so its the same as last year. Thank you very much for correcting me

 

[kingsfan]

Do this, and I think Doughty will go someplace where he can win and get paid. You give Kopitar a max contract with declining performance (mostly indicated by the number of shots on goal he is getting this season), and he will be highly overpaid by the time he hits 33-34 years of age, with 3 or 4 years remaining on his deal.

I'll say it again, Kopitar got his money on his 2nd contract. He was overpaid when that deal started. I am betting that Dean reminds him of that. He still gets close to $50M if he takes 6 years and around $8M a season. Anything more is going to have a negative impact on the entire roster. I actually think Kopitar isn't a selfish guy and will take less to keep the band together. Finishing in LA with 3 - 5 Stanley Cups would be an incredible legacy, but he is going to need help. If he wants to win, he has to leave some money on the table.

I really don't care what he can get on the open market. Where is he going to go and get a max contract? Good teams already have cap issues and can't afford him on that kind of deal. I suppose he could move on to Nashville and get the 90 points all of you are sure he would score in a different system (fat chance).

There are numerous 33-34 year olds still producing at a very good clip. Again, see Joe Thornton. Very comparable player in terms of minutes, role, etc. and is still a top line centre at age 35. Your doomsdaying is all based solely on what you think will happen with Kopitar.

Once again I'll ask the question you seem to enjoy ducking. How screwed will LA be if Kopitar walks as a UFA? There is a decent chance Kopitar can be productive into his mid-30's as a top line centre (look at Thornton) but do you think we have much of a shot at the cup without Kopitar? Does it make us much better off to have more cap freedom in 2022-2023 at the expense of greatly deminishing our cup chances in the short-term?

 

[KINGS17]

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I am guessing Kopi doesnt ?

Don't try to be slick and put words in my mouth. We are talking about a player in Kopitar that was slightly overpaid when he signed his 2nd deal. He is slightly underpaid now. It has been a pretty fair deal. It's not like Kopitar took a hometown discount on the 2nd deal.

Doughty got a very fair deal in terms of money, and gave Dean 2 UFA seasons.

As a player if you want to win in the NHL, you have to leave some of your money on the table and share it.

Of course all of this might get settled in the next CBA when the NHL owners will try to take the next big step towards parity with NFL owners and do away with guaranteed contracts. The players will hate it, but that's what would be best for the fans.

 

[KINGS17]

There are numerous 33-34 year olds still producing at a very good clip. Again, see Joe Thornton. Very comparable player in terms of minutes, role, etc. and is still a top line centre at age 35. Your doomsdaying is all based solely on what you think will happen with Kopitar.

Once again I'll ask the question you seem to enjoy ducking. How screwed will LA be if Kopitar walks as a UFA? There is a decent chance Kopitar can be productive into his mid-30's as a top line centre (look at Thornton) but do you think we have much of a shot at the cup without Kopitar? Does it make us much better off to have more cap freedom in 2022-2023 at the expense of greatly deminishing our cup chances in the short-term?

And your hearts and flowers scenario is based on picking a player (Thornton) that really isn't giving his team what it needs and has never won jack.

Just as screwed as if he takes $9M for 8 seasons, only if he takes $72M the Kings will have very few options to figure something else out.

 

[TopT]

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Don't try to be slick and put words in my mouth. We are talking about a player in Kopitar that was slightly overpaid when he signed his 2nd deal. He is slightly underpaid now. It has been a pretty fair deal. It's not like Kopitar took a hometown discount on the 2nd deal.

Doughty got a very fair deal in terms of money, and gave Dean 2 UFA seasons.

As a player if you want to win in the NHL, you have to leave some of your money on the table and share it.

Of course all of this might get settled in the next CBA when the NHL owners will try to take the next big step towards parity with NFL owners and do away with guaranteed contracts. The players will hate it, but that's what would be best for the fans.

No he didnt, he was overpaid more than Kopi; just compare the Kopi and DD negotiations. He put DL in a corner and some of us have not forgotten that.

 

[KINGS17]

No he didnt, he was overpaid more than Kopi; just compare the Kopi and DD negotiations. He put DL in a corner and some of us have not forgotten that.

It turns out that Doughty wasn't overpaid at all, and he was the right guy to give an 8-year deal, given his talent and age. The Kings won their 1st Stanley Cup the season Doughty received his new contract. He wasn't overpaid in the slightest.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nhl/...gs-drew-doughty-agree-8-years-56m-source-says

While Lombardi wouldn't confirm what that offer was, sources confirmed to ESPN.com that it was seven years and $6.8 million per season in average -- the same annual pay as Anze Kopitar, the team's leading scorer the past four seasons --

That's four more seasons after this season of Drew Doughty at a $7M cap hit when Doughty could have gone UFA after 2 more seasons. OMG!!! I sure hope that Doughty doesn't find out that Phil "Fat Ass" Kessel got $8M a season from that juggernaut that is the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Doughty left a lot of money on the table when he gave Dean those 2 extra years, and you are going to tell us that Kopitar shouldn't be expected to do the same. LOL!!! Please explain to us how Doughty was more overpaid on his 2nd deal than Kopitar was when he took virtually the same money annually on an 8-year deal (2 more years than Kopitar), a few years after Kopitar got his 2nd deal.

Wanna go another round? Right now I'm just carrying you in this fight. Now you're laying on the ropes. Time to throw in the towel.

 

[YP44]

Ok so its the same as last year. Thank you very much for correcting me

marginally less but yes pretty much the same.
AS I posted to you earlier it's his 5on5 GPG and +/- that has big drops this year.
I think this is more of an off year than a sign of a regression.

 

[YP44]

No he didnt, he was overpaid more than Kopi; just compare the Kopi and DD negotiations. He put DL in a corner and some of us have not forgotten that.

I sure as hell thought Doughty was overpaid when he signed. I thought something along the line of what Meyers got was closer to what Drew should have received.
Now the deal looks great and I am happy with it.