William Nylander Discussion Thread

[Menzinger]

Looking at it from an outsiders perspective I find the organizational tone re: Nylander to be a little inconsistent over the past two weeks. Very protective of the player for the Covid incident, vague on information cone of silence. Then very harsh on a vague late for a meeting stance and extremely public. From a philosophical POV which is it, deal with things in house behind closed doors and present solidarity or is it run through the media in a showy way?

If you’re going to be a disciplinarian be a disciplinarian. If you’re going to keep the door closed keep the door closed.

Though seems more likely they didn't view the covid contact situation as being fault of the player (ie non intentioned accident) while being late to a meeting is more directly on him. Would explain the difference in tone fairly simply

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Some people will overlook literally anything with him which I don't understand. Just be objective.

I'll be the first to tell you he was one of our best players last game but missing a meeting when you're paid millions of dollars is pretty inexcusable. I'd sit him for a game, set a precedent.

He didn't miss the meeting he was late to it. Yes pro athletes are paid millions of dollars so more is expected out of them, however unless Nylander is a repeat offender the punish doesn't seem to fit the crime here. Imagine if you were late to a meeting so your employer sent you home for the day with no pay. Seems a bit much especially because I can't imagine this meeting was more important than a typical meeting. No one is making excuses for him just give him a fine or something. Sitting him out for being late is quite overboard (unless again he's a repeat offender in which case I'm good with it).

 

[CanadasTeam]

He didn't miss the meeting he was late to it. Yes pro athletes are paid millions of dollars so more is expected out of them, however unless Nylander is a repeat offender the punish doesn't seem to fit the crime here. Imagine if you were late to a meeting so your employer sent you home for the day with no pay. Seems a bit much especially because I can't imagine this meeting was more important than a typical meeting. No one is making excuses for him just give him a fine or something. Sitting him out for being late is quite overboard (unless again he's a repeat offender in which case I'm good with it).

Rules are rules I guess... late or no show you'll be punished/face consequence.

- Monahan, Johnny Gaudreau and Lance Bouma – for one game, for disciplinary reasons, after the three arrived late for a Monday morning practice.

- Dallas Stars benched star centre Tyler Seguin for the final regular-season game after he missed a team practice. Seguin needed one more goal to establish a single-season best; he didn't get that chance.

- Washington Capitals used with Alex Ovechkin, benching the Great 8 for a game after he also showed up late for practice.
Ovechkin later explained he set his alarm clock improperly – 8:45 p.m. rather than 8:45 a.m. And while coach Barry Trotz accepted the explanation, he noted that rules are rules and they apply to all.

Calgary Flames players say getting benched was 'an eyeopener' - The Globe and Mail

 

[Dreakmur]

He didn't miss the meeting he was late to it. Yes pro athletes are paid millions of dollars so more is expected out of them, however unless Nylander is a repeat offender the punish doesn't seem to fit the crime here. Imagine if you were late to a meeting so your employer sent you home for the day with no pay. Seems a bit much especially because I can't imagine this meeting was more important than a typical meeting. No one is making excuses for him just give him a fine or something. Sitting him out for being late is quite overboard (unless again he's a repeat offender in which case I'm good with it).

It depends entirely on what Sheldon Keefe set out at the start of the year. If he's any kind of leader, he set clear expectations at the start of the season, which would include disciplinary structure. If he said the punishment for missing a meeting was a 1 game suspension, then he has to sit Nylander now, or risk losing the respect of the players.

 

[ACC1224]

You have no idea as do others why he was late. This is normally kept close to the vest from the organization. Shit happens, it happens to all of us where something happens to make us late to work. Could be traffic or something to do with alarm clock. It happens.

That doesnt make you or I or Willy Nylander a bad employee. Give me a break.

We do have some idea, he was dressed in a taxi squad shirt. I doubt they would have done anything if it was something out of his control.

 

[FreeBird]

It depends entirely on what Sheldon Keefe set out at the start of the year. If he's any kind of leader, he set clear expectations at the start of the season, which would include disciplinary structure. If he said the punishment for missing a meeting was a 1 game suspension, then he has to sit Nylander now, or risk losing the respect of the players.

Where is Nick Ehlers when you need him

 

[The Podium]

My thoughts: Probably not a big deal, but sit him to set a precedent. No one in this organization should be above the team. Even if it was Matthews, or Campbell, I'd argue the same. Lets finally set a winning culture.

We do have some idea, he was dressed in a taxi squad shirt. I doubt they would have done anything if it was something out of his control.

Not necessarily, everything is in your control to some extent. The Ovi alarm clock incident is a good example.

 

[WTFMAN99]

He didn't miss the meeting he was late to it. Yes pro athletes are paid millions of dollars so more is expected out of them, however unless Nylander is a repeat offender the punish doesn't seem to fit the crime here. Imagine if you were late to a meeting so your employer sent you home for the day with no pay. Seems a bit much especially because I can't imagine this meeting was more important than a typical meeting. No one is making excuses for him just give him a fine or something. Sitting him out for being late is quite overboard (unless again he's a repeat offender in which case I'm good with it).

Premise is garbage, he won't miss any pay.

We're firmly in the playoffs. This is the time to develop a strong culture with this team, regardless of where you are in the team's hierarchy or talented etc, you're late, you sit.

Rules are rules I guess... late or no show you'll be punished/face consequence.

- Monahan, Johnny Gaudreau and Lance Bouma – for one game, for disciplinary reasons, after the three arrived late for a Monday morning practice.

- Dallas Stars benched star centre Tyler Seguin for the final regular-season game after he missed a team practice. Seguin needed one more goal to establish a single-season best; he didn't get that chance.

- Washington Capitals used with Alex Ovechkin, benching the Great 8 for a game after he also showed up late for practice.
Ovechkin later explained he set his alarm clock improperly – 8:45 p.m. rather than 8:45 a.m. And while coach Barry Trotz accepted the explanation, he noted that rules are rules and they apply to all.

Calgary Flames players say getting benched was 'an eyeopener' - The Globe and Mail

I feel like Boston benched someone too for it, for some reason my mind says Pasta but I might be wrong.

 

[ACC1224]

So any player in sports that got Covid during their season is unprofessional?

Willy didn't even get Covid ffs. You guys love to reach and shit on this kid whenever you have the opportunity.

Has nothing to do with Nylander, the same would apply to any player. Any athlete in their situation should avoid any contact outside the team.

 

[Tak7]

Though seems more likely they didn't view the covid contact situation as being fault of the player (ie non intentioned accident) while being late to a meeting is more directly on him. Would explain the difference in tone fairly simply

I think it's also the difference between a personal, private issue vs team policy.

Any player who missed a team meeting, would be treated the same.

Didn't the same thing happen to Kadri & Franson years ago? A flat tire on the way to a practice? Think they both missed the next game.

 

[mapleleaf979]

He didn't miss the meeting he was late to it. Yes pro athletes are paid millions of dollars so more is expected out of them, however unless Nylander is a repeat offender the punish doesn't seem to fit the crime here. Imagine if you were late to a meeting so your employer sent you home for the day with no pay. Seems a bit much especially because I can't imagine this meeting was more important than a typical meeting. No one is making excuses for him just give him a fine or something. Sitting him out for being late is quite overboard (unless again he's a repeat offender in which case I'm good with it).

Based on how they dealt with Kadri and Kapanen, id suggest Nylander is a repeat offender. When Kadri and Kapanen were both publicly scratched it was said about both at the time, that they had done this before. The Leafs would have kept this quiet in the past until they have had enough of it.

 

[rumman]

"Meetings" haven't been kind to Willy over the past couple of weeks. One put him in Covid Protocol and one may be putting him in press box.

Couple of errors in judgement this close together may not be a good sign.

Not the actions of a mature professional..........

 

[stickty111]

Where is Nick Ehlers when you need him

Nylander and Ehlers are similar in quality.

 

[ihadtochangethename]

not a good look for Bill especially considering his absence the last week where he was needed (allegedly not his fault-FINE), its a disregard. He had better shape up.

 

[stickty111]

not a good look for Bill especially considering his absence the last week where he was needed (allegedly not his fault-FINE), its a disregard. He had better shape up.

The Covid absense was not his fault. Not sure why people keep bringing it up.

 

[Stephen]

He didn't miss the meeting he was late to it. Yes pro athletes are paid millions of dollars so more is expected out of them, however unless Nylander is a repeat offender the punish doesn't seem to fit the crime here. Imagine if you were late to a meeting so your employer sent you home for the day with no pay. Seems a bit much especially because I can't imagine this meeting was more important than a typical meeting. No one is making excuses for him just give him a fine or something. Sitting him out for being late is quite overboard (unless again he's a repeat offender in which case I'm good with it).

I think pro sports culture is a little different than a normal work place since these guys are kind or extremely privileged multimillionaire athletes organized on a quasi collegiate program/military-lite structure which is to say disciplined, organized and focused with no real life distractions. Whereas it’s bad form to show up late in an office job, the real life reasons like the subway breaking down are more “every day” and forgivable.

 

[Stephen]

Though seems more likely they didn't view the covid contact situation as being fault of the player (ie non intentioned accident) while being late to a meeting is more directly on him. Would explain the difference in tone fairly simply

Yeah that’s a fair distinction. They’ve certainly made it a public issue with Kadri and Kapanen in the past so there’s precedents but also seems like they could just handle it behind closed doors too. Unless they have and it’s just an ongoing problem.

 

[Stephen]

Maybe COVID made them a bit angry but they wanted to show Nylander how they protect their own, however then he missed the meeting and they said "enough is enough" your losing your invincibility Nylander, we no longer will be fully protecting you.

Yeah the two might be connected on some level and I think maybe if he’s a repeat offender that’s why this has been made public.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Looking at it from an outsiders perspective I find the organizational tone re: Nylander to be a little inconsistent over the past two weeks. Very protective of the player for the Covid incident, vague on information cone of silence. Then very harsh on a vague late for a meeting stance and extremely public. From a philosophical POV which is it, deal with things in house behind closed doors and present solidarity or is it run through the media in a showy way?

If you’re going to be a disciplinarian be a disciplinarian. If you’re going to keep the door closed keep the door closed.

It's likely because Nylander did nothing wrong with his covid situation, but it is his fault that he was late to the meeting

 

[PromisedLand]

Willy is gonna play; no option. Mikheyev is probably day to day; Hyman injured and Foligno can't join the team until thursday

 

[PromisedLand]

btw does anyone know how "late" was he? was it like 5 to 10 minutes or like an hour or so late?

Away in hotel, cannot even use the excuse of traffic LOL

 

[Menzinger]

Drama over

 

[LastOne2100]

I feel like fostering a winning culture entails winning games, which we would do more often by rewarding good play on the ice, and playing our best players.

Ending up in the media and discussed by fans on message boards by being late to a meeting is why some players tend to thrive after leaving Toronto. Everyone here has been late to something once in a while. We all appreciate and rally around those who support us when we make mistakes instead of publicly ridicule us.

If it's a recurring theme, fine. If not, f*** off with this stupidity.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Drama over

Not over. People will now start being dramatic about the Leafs favoring Nylander even though he should be sitting out

 

[egd27]

The Covid absense was not his fault. Not sure why people keep bringing it up.

What is it you know about the situation that you can confidently state it wasn't his fault?



Trot him out in a grey jersey, raise awareness that he was late for a meeting, say he may not play......play him anyway.

Keefe showing his inexperience again.