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Peasy said:
Remember Don Cherry raging at the Leafs picking Nylander over good ol' Ontario boy Nick Ritchie?
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He wasnt alone.

A fsir amount of tsn and toronto talk rsdio havent exactly liked him from thr draft.

And a parts of the fanbase constantly called him a "diva" for no other reason than some hacks in the media did first.

The most lol worthy bit form the media was Dreger suggesting that if the Leafs signed Jimmy Vesey, the Leafs would have traded Nylander soon after
 
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Menzinger said:
He wasnt alone.

A fsir amount of tsn and toronto talk rsdio havent exactly liked him from thr draft.

And a parts of the fanbase constantly called him a "diva" for no other reason than some hacks in the media did first.

The most lol worthy bit form the media was Dreger suggesting that if the Leafs signed Jimmy Vesey, the Leafs would have traded Nylander soon after
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Since the Rangers traded Vesey after only 3 years that tells me he was only hype, which is what happens to a lot of players who were drafted out of the NCAA and don't sign with the team who selects them. Anyway where this effects Nylander is the thought that Dreger said Toronto would have traded him if they signed Vesey when he was a UFA.
 
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Stamkos4life said:
What am I trying to "bait" you into doing? You are very confusing.

I literally used your exact words so I'm not sure why you're throwing a fit.

You brought up "money", (how much they make). What do you mean I'm "throwing around a cap hit thinking it has shock value to get your point across"? I added how much they make because that seems relevant when discussing who is worth their contract. But maybe that's just me.

You're comparing nylander's cap hit against multiple defensemen and goalies, then looking at where he sits for points and claiming the high ground? My goodness.

Nylander has the 44th highest cap hit among forwards. He is tied for 25th in scoring but is tied for 39th in ppg, both among forwards. So 5 spots higher than his cap hit.

Marner has the 5th highest cap hit among forwards. He is 20th in points and 11th in ppg, both among forwards.

That doesnt take into account playing on the penalty kill or the fact that the first year of nylander's contract was a complete waste while marner is immediately producing.

Here is your original post.

"Nylander is a stud, it was just a matter of time before he finally broke out, well worth the money."

Here you clearly state nylander (73 point pace) is a "steal" for 7 mil.

"As for Marner, while he received too much at the time, under Keefe he's been scoring at close to a 120 pt pace, which would justify the money at least if he kept it up. Still not a great deal but certainly looking better now."

This is the good part. Here you say marner has to keep up a 120 point pace to justify the money and that it's still not a great deal.

Nylander's play this year is fair to even good value for his contract. I have been hard on nylander in the past but he has been much better this year. You don't win comeback player of the year (mid way) for nothing.

But to say his is a steal while marner's is not great value, even if hes scoring 120 points, is a very bad take.
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it should be harder for Marner to get 100+ every year then for Nylander to get 70+. But thats still a should... we dont know yet. 30 something games left this season. Dont even know how that ends for any of them. Definitly not through there full contract.
 
1specter said:
Nylander is a stud, it was just a matter of time before he finally broke out, well worth the money. As for Marner, while he received too much at the time, under Keefe he's been scoring at close to a 120 pt pace, which would justify the money at least if he kept it up. Still not a great deal but certainly looking better now.
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At their respective cap hits, Nylander has an easier time exceeding his contract than Marner does at his.

That said, we basically have 2x $9 million wingers between he and Marner, which is acceptable as a duo.
 
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stickty111 said:
We have some fans here who would still trade Nylander for Ritchie.
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Don't forget the fans that want to trade for Wayne Simmonds or the fans that think Tyson Barrie is a 3rd pairing D. Tyson Barrie could put up 2 points tonight including the GWG and some fans would still be mad about one play in the defensive zone. Some leafs fans can't help it

Big game for the Tavares line against Dallas they play a slow pace defense first hockey so Matthews is gonna have little to work with all game. Hoping Nylander continues his hot streak ever since they fired that awful coach Babcock.
 
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Stephen said:
At their respective cap hits, Nylander has an easier time exceeding his contract than Marner does at his.

That said, we basically have 2x $9 million wingers between he and Marner, which is acceptable as a duo.
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It's a lot harder Marner to get more than 94 points and that's if he was able to play all 82 games, which he won't this season due to him injuring his ankle, where as Nylander has already passed his season high in total goals.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
Besides those comments from Don Cherry, I honestly believe if it wasn't for Brendan Shanahan they would have selected Ritchie if it was up to Dave Nonis.
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Actually the guy that really pushed Nylander was Thommie Bergman (our Sweden super scout). He was so adament that we took Nylander that Leafs brass actually thought he would quit if we didn't take him. He turned out to be right yet again.
 
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LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Actually the guy that really pushed Nylander was Thommie Bergman (our Sweden super scout). He was so adament that we took Nylander that Leafs brass actually thought he would quit if we didn't take him. He turned out to be right yet again.
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That's actually the first time I heard that. I only ever remember hearing about a meeting Shanahan had with Nylander and his father the day before the draft and he said they would select him at 8th overall if he was available.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
That's actually the first time I heard that. I only ever remember hearing about a meeting Shanahan had with Nylander and his father the day before the draft and he said they would select him at 8th overall if he was available.
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Yea I was surprised when I heard it too. One of the Leafs brass mentioned it in an interview on draft day.

Usually they ask Bergman if he has anybody once the later rounds come up and they don't have anybody else on the radar. He rarely pushes us to make a choice but he did with Nylander.

Was the guy that suggested Engvall, Johnsson, as well as guys like Stralman, Gunnersson, and Stalberg.
 
MyBudJT said:
Lol what a farse. Please back up this outlandish claim.
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I think it's a far fetched claim now but man, after last season it seemed like some fans would have took anything to unload dead cap space William Nylander. He was "overpaid" and when a comparable like Pasta takes a 6M deal (which is clearly fair market value for a player who has paced for 100 points twice now) no way could we keep him. Add in a little bit of hurt feelings from the hold out and now Ritchie for Nylander seems like a solid deal because no more Nylander.
 
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His critics here even ripped on him for choosing #88, saying "he doesn't deserve it. How can he insult Lindros like that. Lindros would never agree to it"

A tweet comes from Eric he supports Willy choosing the number.

Next comments, "it doesn't matter. He shouldn't have chosen it."
 
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Nithoniniel said:
I sincerely hope that Nylander showing what kind of player he can be given optimal usage won't somehow reignite the Marner vs Nylander-wars.
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Lol, then why bring it up? Its only asking for this dialogue... :laugh:

You're right, there shouldn't be a comparison because it really isn't close on who is better....
 
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I really like how Willy is playing with JT. and Kerfoot defensive instincts and footspeed looked really good against Preds. Let's hope these 3 guys can keep it up. Keefe is really surprising me how fast he is putting it all together.
 
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Willy has been good. Glad to see it. But many of us who are not his biggest fans
Albi34 said:
Believe me these fans exist, and maybe not on this message board but I can tell you yesterday I had a conversation with a guy who thought we should trade nylander for a bag of pucks just to shed his salary. They are out there.
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I don't think we should trade him for a bag of pucks. I think we should trade him for a D man thoguh while his stock is high. He's had a good first half. I still don't think he'll do well when the games get tighter. But credit where due so far.
 
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