Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[The Grim Reaper]

I don't know why posters feel it necessary to punch down on Ovechkin to lift Crosby, or vice versa.

 

[Fordy]

"i dont really have any agenda to troll about ovechkin" ... "im just reminding the people every month on the dot"

The hero I didnt know I needed

well i'm just reminding the one guy who was on about .05 goals per game

 

[Hank Plank]

Funny that Crosby has a higher shooting % all time though eh?

14.6 is higher than 12.8 right?

Ovechkin adjusted, Ovechkin is higher.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I don't know why posters feel it necessary to punch down on Ovechkin to lift Crosby, or vice versa.

There is one guy who goes around looking for ways to shit on Crosby. It creates a lot of backlash.

 

[filinski77]

There is one guy who goes around looking for ways to shit on Crosby. It creates a lot of backlash.

Lets be honest though, MJ is to Crosby what Wetcoast is to Ovechkin. The main difference is MJ is usually reactive to other posters whereas WC has been in this thread consistently putting down and shitting on Ovechkin.

Whole thread has been derailed since day 1 tho. Most posters here can't make a reasonable argument if their lives depended on it. And to be fair, you'll find a lot more people looking for ways to shit on Ovechkin than for Crosby.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I didn't think wetcoast was shitting on Ovechkin. I thought he was giving a fair opinion, even if I or you don't agree with it. Top 10-15 all time is not an absurd take for Ovechkin, imo. Not that I have a ranking.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Ovechkin is gonna have a healthy season below 20 goals. Already has multiple healthy seasons with points in the 60s. Both these things have not happened with Crosby in 19 years. 19 straight years over a ppg is actually insane to think about and might just become the hardest concrete record ever to beat

 

[filinski77]

I didn't think wetcoast was shitting on Ovechkin. I thought he was giving a fair opinion, even if I or you don't agree with it. Top 10-15 all time is not an absurd take for Ovechkin, imo. Not that I have a ranking.

Not in the last 5 pages (he’s actually been quite good) but the first 50, different story.

Ovechkin is gonna have a healthy season below 20 goals. Already has multiple healthy seasons with points in the 60s. Both these things have not happened with Crosby in 19 years. 19 straight years over a ppg is actually insane to think about and might just become the hardest concrete record ever to beat

This is the shit I’m talking about lol.

Completely irrelevant to any discussion being made, with the sole purpose to shit on Ovi and suck off Crosby solely because of either (or both), your insecurities about Crosby, or your hate for Ovi.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Not in the last 5 pages (he’s actually been quite good) but the first 50, different story.


This is the shit I’m talking about lol.

Completely irrelevant to any discussion being made, with the sole purpose to shit on Ovi and suck off Crosby solely because of either (or both), your insecurities about Crosby, or your hate for Ovi.

This has turned into a crosby vs ovechkin thread literally what the last 3 pages are. I'm staying in topic

 

[filinski77]

This has turned into a crosby vs ovechkin thread literally what the last 3 pages are. I'm staying in topic

And you know very well that what Ovechkin does at 38 years old has nothing to do with where he stands in an all-time sense.

Even if it was on topic, you made 0 logical arguments for why Crosby > Ovi.

You literally only wanted to throw Ovi down a peg and then brag about a stat. Get out of here with your reasoning lol.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

And you know very well that what Ovechkin does at 38 years old has nothing to do with where he stands in an all-time sense.

Even if it was on topic, you made 0 logical arguments for why Crosby > Ovi.

You literally only wanted to throw Ovi down a peg and then brag about a stat. Get out of here with your reasoning lol.

One player consistently falls under a ppg all starting at the age of 26. While the other has been Over a ppg every season for 19 straight years. Idk how much more logical it can get.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

I have larger concerns when people make rankings that are based on ignorance as it relates to the grand scheme of hockey history and this main board often shows a complete lack of awareness when it comes to anything prior to the current/ or maybe DPE.

Biases are only biases if you allow them to be. Data and the eye test are my weapons of choice and considering we're talking about an active player, both are more readily available than players of past eras. Biases are not taking volume and efficiency into account in any goal scoring discussion. Biases are taking any raw number and thinking it is the end of the story/debate.

Ranking Oveckhin 10th to 15th all time is certainly reasonable and where a lot of really smart hockey folks put him. And that ranking probably ends up closer to 10 or even above that when his career is completed.

Bias would be allowing my fandom of Pittsburgh cloud where I place Ovechkin in an all time light. I'm not doing that. Just like I'm not ready to place Crosby at 5, as many casual observers do. He's somewhere in the 7 to 10 range for me, higher than Ovechkin simply because his body of work is more impressive beyond the regular season and NHL, by quite a lot and most won't debate that point.

I'd also wager this forum spends too much time watching the wrong people but that may be a biased statement.

A lot of smart hockey folk place OV in the 5-7 range as well as Crosby. Sounds like you are biased in who you think smart hockey people are I suppose. As we all are biased, as the poster you quoted pointed out.

 

[Neil Racki]

One player consistently falls under a ppg all starting at the age of 26. While the other has been Over a ppg every season for 19 straight years. Idk how much more logical it can get.

One player misses games if he’s not 100% .. the other doesn’t miss games unless he’s 0%

You see how I slipped a Crosby dig in there … whatever … just change the name of this thread to Ovi v Crosby so it reflects reality

 

[Hockey Outsider]

If I had anyone here guess the subject of this thread, none of you would get it even if I gave you each ten tries.

I hereby propose Godwin's Law, HFBoards version:

Or you can replace Crosby/Ovechkin with Gretzky/Lemieux, Bourque/Lidstrom, or Hasek/Roy (among many others) and it still works.

 

[Hank Plank]

This is the shit I’m talking about lol.

Completely irrelevant to any discussion being made, with the sole purpose to shit on Ovi and suck off Crosby solely because of either (or both), your insecurities about Crosby, or your hate for Ovi.

Suck it up buttercup.

 

[heretik27]

Just checked, 6 points in his last 5 games, 1G 5A. He's still contributing, that team just stinks though.

 

[Hank Plank]

Caps are playing well, they don't stink.

 

[Crosby2010]

For those that remember 2005 and can remember both Crosby and Ovechkin coming into the NHL then you saw a promising time for hockey, and when they were both really, really good, a great time too. I am thinking Ovechkin might be hard pressed to catch Gretzky now. Heck, for all we know he might retire at the end of the season. He looks old and I don't recall him ever saying he was staying until he broke the record.

But this is one of those times where you know just how good he was at one point and the Ovechkin we see today is not the one from, say, 2010. It is like remember Gretzky as a Ranger and then remembering him as an Oiler, or even several years as a King.

 

[Hank Plank]

According to Ovechkin enthusiasts he's already passed Gretzky no need for 8 to keep playing.

 

[crosby87]

Is there a pinned thread somewhere where all of you can go CJ about Crosby vs Ovechkin for the rest of time, while the rest of us stay on topic and CJ about whether Ovechkin is cooked or not?

you can only talk about if someone will hit 20 goals or not so much lol

 

[powerbomb]

Ovi extends his point streak with another creative assist! His playmaking has been stellar this season as he continues to keep a lackadaisical Washington team relevant; importantly, with a two goal lead late, this smells like a game where the opponent pulls the goalie so the big #9 may indeed be looming

ETA: nope, not tonight. The ENG goes to Oshie for a hat trick against his former team. Oh well...

 

[koyvoo]

Three goals in has past 25 games played. I wanted this record chase to be fun and exciting. Tough sledding.

 

[Dessloch]

Just checked, 6 points in his last 5 games, 1G 5A. He's still contributing, that team just stinks though.

How does a team stink being only 6 points out of 2nd place in the division while having 2 games in hand? Do you mean 75% of all teams in the eastern conference stink, and if so why?

 

[BlueBull]

According to Ovechkin enthusiasts he's already passed Gretzky no need for 8 to keep playing.

I mean, he's the greatest goalscorer ever at this point, even if he doesn't pass Gretzky.

But I think Ovi fans should calm down.

 

[heretik27]

How does a team stink being only 6 points out of 2nd place in the division while having 2 games in hand? Do you mean 75% of all teams in the eastern conference stink, and if so why?

The metro is weak this season, they're second last in the division in goal differential and a bubble team at best in the playoffs right now. Their top center is a guy who's a 2C at best and their point leader (Ovechkin), is shooting horrifically under career averages which doesn't make things any easier for them. Not to mention Kuznetsov has completely checked out.

What about this Washington team gives you any hope for a playoff run? They're mediocre across the board, and their lone bright spot in goal is a 30 year old goalie who ran an .899 SV% last season over 31 games.

Feel free to educate me, I've watched almost no Caps hockey this season because of constant overtime.