Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[HolyHagelin]

“This player’s contributions are overrated due to this reason. Also i am not downgrading said player for said reason.”

Ok.

 

[wetcoast]

“This player’s contributions are overrated due to this reason. Also i am not downgrading said player for said reason.”

Ok.

Sure but context is different than this

How can you slag on a guy for generating shot volume, when there is literally a long-running and frequently used offensive philosophy in the NHL (funnel) that is all about generating shot volume and capitalizing (pun intended) on opportunities presented thereby?

Leading the league in shots time and time again is ABSOLUTELY a mark in OV’s favor and spinning it otherwise just tells everyone reading that you really don’t know what you’re talking about. “There is no such thing as a bad shot on goal.”

FTR - I am a Rangers fan, no skin in the OV conversation.

ETA - if we regard SOG as a negative, then the entire premise of modern analytics is wrong, and corsi and fenwick need to be burned down.

 

[hamzarocks]

The whole “Russian machine never breaks” moniker became a thing because his durability is exceedingly rare… especially with the type of game he plays/played.

In his prime he was this generation’s Eric Lindros; the player plowing over others at full speed.
The difference is Lindros was strong but not tough. Ovechkin is strong and tough.

It’s one of the things that sets him apart from contemporaries like Crosby and Malkin. You can’t help your team when you’re sitting out.

LIndros was tougher than Ovechkin

Better fighter and harder hitter

He played with his head down to mucj though in an era where head shots were legal

 

[Zine]

LIndros was tougher than Ovechkin

Better fighter and harder hitter

He played with his head down to mucj though in an era where head shots were legal

Lindros was the antithesis of toughness. Toughness is the ability to take punishment and not let it affect you.
His career was overflowing with injuries of every kind, even before his concussion problems. He played over 70 games only 4 years his entire career. Lindros was strong as an ox, but more brittle than a light bulb.

 

[hamzarocks]

Lindros was the antithesis of toughness. Toughness is the ability to take punishment and not let it affect you.
His career was overflowing with injuries of every kind, even before his concussion problems. He played over 70 games only 4 years his entire career. Lindros was strong as an ox, but more brittle than a light bulb.

He got injured b/c og the era he was in and b/c he tried to play like a bull

Cam Neely is another PWF/physically gifted dude of that era who got injured despite being tough

 

[Toby91ca]

LIndros was tougher than Ovechkin

Better fighter and harder hitter

He played with his head down to mucj though in an era where head shots were legal

Some people are also more susceptible to concussions than others for unknown reasons…or perhaps known but just not to me

 

[Zine]

He got injured b/c og the era he was in and b/c he tried to play like a bull

Cam Neely is another PWF/physically gifted dude of that era who got injured despite being tough

Cant compare Lindros to Neely. Neely was regularly playing 70+ games a year before Ulf Samuelsson kneed him.

Lindros was always missing games left and right for every reason, from his rookie year onward.
Unlike Neely, he could dish it out but he couldn't take it without being injured every second.

 

[Old Gregg]

Indeed Bossy was the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team, sometimes first though.

Nobody ever would have mistook Ovechkin for anything other than the best player on his team, even if he was playing with Bryan Trottier. At his best, Ovechkin was quite obviously the best player in the NHL over your boy Crosby - who was superior to Trottier.

So again, your desire to dishonestly denigrate Ovechkin by pretending he's on Bossy's level is blatant. The two of them are not close.

This is false

 

[Midnight Judges]

This is false

You are in denial then.

Ovechkin's 2008 season is far superior to any season Sidney Crosby has ever had.

 

[Old Gregg]

You are in denial then.

Ovechkin's 2008 season is far superior to any season Sidney Crosby has ever had.

Nope

 

[HabsCode]

You are in denial then.

Ovechkin's 2008 season is far superior to any season Sidney Crosby has ever had.

I'd take Golden boy over 2008 Ovechkin if I had to pick one for the duration a playoff to try and win the cup. And this is all that matters.

And 84 assists for Crosby's 2007 season is as impressive has 65 goals.

 

[um]

This is false

I got Crosby over Ovechkin for their careers but Ovechkin clearly has the better peak of the two. Ovechkin from 2008-2010 won 3 straight Ted Lindsay's.

Maybe it's different if Crosby didn't get hurt so much from 2011-2013.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'd take Golden boy over 2008 Ovechkin if I had to pick one for the duration a playoff to try and win the cup. And this is all that matters.

I would take 2008-2010 Ovechkin over any version of Crosby to win a cup. He was better than Crosby in the regular season and in the playoffs.

And 84 assists for Crosby's 2007 season is as impressive has 65 goals.

That wasn't even the most assists by a player that season. Thornton had 92.

Ovechkin's goal total is the highest raw and adjusted total since the lockout despite scoring being down in 2008 relative to 2007, 2006, and these past few seasons.

 

[Toby91ca]

I would take 2008-2010 Ovechkin over any version of Crosby to win a cup. He was better than Crosby in the regular season and in the playoffs.



That wasn't even the most assists by a player that season. Thornton had 92.

Ovechkin's goal total is the highest raw and adjusted total since the lockout despite scoring being down in 2008 relative to 2007, 2006, and these past few seasons.

Isn't this thread about whether OV will score 20 goals this year or not?

When both of these guys retire, I'll participate in the discussion or even ask the question, who ranks higher on the all-time list, but until then, will defer because they both still have games to play.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Isn't this thread about whether OV will score 20 goals this year or not?

When both of these guys retire, I'll participate in the discussion or even ask the question, who ranks higher on the all-time list, but until then, will defer because they both still have games to play.

Great question... most participants seem to have lost that point about 55 pages ago lol

 

[Bear of Bad News]

If I had anyone here guess the subject of this thread, none of you would get it even if I gave you each ten tries.

Relevant even today!

 

[Beau Knows]

Isn't this thread about whether OV will score 20 goals this year or not?

It looks like he'll probably be back in the lineup tonight, will be interesting to see if he can get a better start to his 2nd half of the season. He needs to score at about a 25 goal pace from here on out to hit 20.

 

[Old Gregg]

I would take 2008-2010 Ovechkin over any version of Crosby to win a cup. He was better than Crosby in the regular season and in the playoffs.



That wasn't even the most assists by a player that season. Thornton had 92.

Ovechkin's goal total is the highest raw and adjusted total since the lockout despite scoring being down in 2008 relative to 2007, 2006, and these past few seasons.

And this is why Crosby has 3 and Ovechkin has 1 .......

 

[Midnight Judges]

And this is why Crosby has 3 and Ovechkin has 1 .......

Malkin - the clear cut 3rd best player of the generation and likely a top 25-35 player of all time - is the obvious difference here.

Where does Backstrom rank? The history forum doesn't even have him as top 200 all time.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Indeed Bossy was the 2nd or 3rd best player on his team, sometimes first though.

Nobody ever would have mistook Ovechkin for anything other than the best player on his team, even if he was playing with Bryan Trottier. At his best, Ovechkin was quite obviously the best player in the NHL over your boy Crosby - who was superior to Trottier.

So again, your desire to dishonestly denigrate Ovechkin by pretending he's on Bossy's level is blatant. The two of them are not close.

Wrong.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Wrong.

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[Fordy]

You are in denial then.

Ovechkin's 2008 season is far superior to any season Sidney Crosby has ever had.

no one agrees, you will never hear anyone around the game try to claim this, especially in 10-20 years. it will always be boring cope

they might remember that time he couldn't get to 20 goals in a season tho

 

[Old Gregg]

Malkin - the clear cut 3rd best player of the generation and likely a top 25-35 player of all time - is the obvious difference here.

Where does Backstrom rank? The history forum doesn't even have him as top 200 all time.

Ovechkin's teams generally finished higher in the regular season than the Penguins. If he is so almighty why couldn't he get them past the second round more than once?

 

[Midnight Judges]

no one agrees, you will never hear anyone around the game try to claim this, especially in 10-20 years. it will always be boring cope

Which season from Sidney Crosby do you think is superior to Ovechkin's 2008 season?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Ovechkin's teams generally finished higher in the regular season than the Penguins. If he is so almighty why couldn't he get them past the second round more than once?

I don't have a dog in the fight - I'm mainly here to referee - but I'm curious why you switched from "Ovechkin's teams" (where you accurately reflect that it's a team sport) to "why couldn't [Ovechkin]" (where you fall off the track and suggest that this is tennis, or golf, or some other individual sport).