Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[Invalid cuz QoC]

Great question... most participants seem to have lost that point about 55 pages ago lol

Blame it on one poster who’s entire post history probably consists of the words crosby or penguins when speaking of how great OV is.

I am biased though I loved me some Bondra, but can’t deny the greatness OV is. But based on logic, eye test, and stats it’s clear who is king. Not sure why two players can’t be amazing in their own way.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Ovechkin's teams generally finished higher in the regular season than the Penguins. If he is so almighty why couldn't he get them past the second round more than once?

Hockey is a team sport. Ovechkin didn't have a Malkin.

Ovechkin dominated in the postseason as well:

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[Old Gregg]

I don't have a dog in the fight - I'm mainly here to referee - but I'm curious why you switched from "Ovechkin's teams" (where you accurately reflect that it's a team sport) to "why couldn't [Ovechkin]" (where you fall off the track and suggest that this is tennis, or golf, or some other individual sport).

Midnight has been talking about how he would take Ovechkin OVER Crosby for a playoff run. Ovechkin has had teams who have Presidents Trophies and have finished higher than Crosby's multiple times over the years. If the Caps have generally had better teams than the penguins then shouldn't Ovechkin have been able to carry them to more Cups than Crosby has done for the Pens?

Hockey is a team sport. Ovechkin didn't have a Malkin.

Ovechkin dominated in the postseason as well:

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But Ovechkin has had better teams over the years....

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Midnight has been talking about how he would take Ovechkin OVER Crosby for a playoff run. Ovechkin has had teams who have Presidents Trophies and have finished higher than Crosby's multiple times over the years. If the Caps have generally had better teams than the penguins then shouldn't Ovechkin have been able to carry them to more Cups than Crosby has done for the Pens?

Again, why is it the team's responsibility to have regular season success but Ovechkin's sole responsibility to "carry them" in the playoffs?

 

[um]

no one agrees, you will never hear anyone around the game try to claim this, especially in 10-20 years. it will always be boring cope

they might remember that time he couldn't get to 20 goals in a season tho

You're in the minority on this one. It's pretty well known that Ovie had the better peak, by every metric available.

Crosby is certainly regarded as the better and more consistent player. What's he at now, 17 seasons of being a point per game? Also a very impressive playoff resume. The only thing missing from his career are the truly dominant overpowered seasons. And I believe we were gonna witness that during the 2011-2013 seasons, but he kept getting hurt.

Crosby has got claim to being #5 all time, I don't get why you're spreading this BS revisionist history like he needs that extra little bump.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Midnight has been talking about how he would take Ovechkin OVER Crosby for a playoff run. Ovechkin has had teams who have Presidents Trophies and have finished higher than Crosby's multiple times over the years. If the Caps have generally had better teams than the penguins then shouldn't Ovechkin have been able to carry them to more Cups than Crosby has done for the Pens?

The performance of a team in an 82 game regular season doesn't precisely map to its performance in a small sample size of a 7 game playoff series, or even 14 games.

Ovechkin's performance was quite excellent though.

You don't have a point.

 

[Syrinx]

Wat er u tacoing bout?

Ur mackinig me hurngry.

 

[george14]

The performance of a team in an 82 game regular season doesn't precisely map to its performance in a small sample size of a 7 game playoff series, or even 14 games.

Ovechkin's performance was quite excellent though.

You don't have a point.

He has a fantastic point - you just choose to ignore it.

Over an 82 game season, the Caps were the best team 3 times in their careers, while the Pens never were. To ignore that point and cite the playoffs, where Crosby has far more success, as if it somehow justifies your side makes no sense at all. Either way, you lose.

This is no surprise though. Your entire purpose on this board seems to be propping up Ovi over Sid. It’s becoming increasingly sad when Sid is better offensively, defensively, plays a more important position, and has more team success. Just let this debate die at: Ovi is a better goal scorer while Sid is the better overall player. Is it that hard?

 

[Fordy]

Which season from Sidney Crosby do you think is superior to Ovechkin's 2008 season?

don't make me break out the .05 points per games, the highest measure in all the land

You're in the minority on this one. It's pretty well known that Ovie had the better peak, by every metric available.

Crosby is certainly regarded as the better and more consistent player. What's he at now, 17 seasons of being a point per game? Also a very impressive playoff resume. The only thing missing from his career are the truly dominant overpowered seasons. And I believe we were gonna witness that during the 2011-2013 seasons, but he kept getting hurt.

Crosby has got claim to being #5 all time, I don't get why you're spreading this BS revisionist history like he needs that extra little bump.

i'm just telling him how things will be remembered

 

[Midnight Judges]

He has a fantastic point - you just choose to ignore it.

Over an 82 game season, the Caps were the best team 3 times in their careers, while the Pens never were.

He has no point and neither do you.

If Crosby led his team to a President's trophy you'd be claiming it was because Sid was amazing.

But since it's Ovechkin that led his team to tons of wins it's to his eternal shame. SHAME ON OVECHKIN FOR HAVING TEAM SUCCESS!!!

 

[Fordy]

He has no point and neither do you.

If Crosby led his team to a President's trophy you'd be claiming it was because Sid was amazing.

But since it's Ovechkin that led his team to tons of wins it's to his shame. SHAME ON OVECHKIN FOR HAVING TEAM SUCCESS!!!

poor ovechkin, so unfair

 

[wetcoast]

The performance of a team in an 82 game regular season doesn't precisely map to its performance in a small sample size of a 7 game playoff series, or even 14 games.

Ovechkin's performance was quite excellent though.

You don't have a point.

Sure that's great but you also said that you would take peak Ovi over a peak Crosby on a playoff run and in 08-09 peak Crosby best peak Ovechkin (Capitals had 9 more points in the regular season) and in the deciding game 7 Crosby had 2 goals and a primary assist so that's why many would take Crosby over Ovi.

Also before you go all Malkin, he had a primary and secondary assist that game and was a minus layer for the series.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Ovechkina is cooked! Put a fork in em!

 

[Midnight Judges]

don't make me break out the .05 points per games, the highest measure in all the land

It was a straight forward question. Your inability to answer is not surprising.

i'm just telling him how things will be remembered

I have no doubt that lots of people desire to revise history in Crosby's favor and to the detriment of Ovechkin.

Hfboards history forum did a poll where 30% of respondents claim Crosby was better in their rookie seasons despite Ovechkin scoring more goals and more points and winning the Calder and ranking ahead of Crosby for the Hart and the Pearson.

You are part of that 30%.

 

[george14]

He has no point and neither do you.

If Crosby led his team to a President's trophy you'd be claiming it was because Sid was amazing.

But since it's Ovechkin that led his team to tons of wins it's to his shame. SHAME ON OVECHKIN FOR HAVING TEAM SUCCESS!!!

No, you are telling me what I think which isn’t accurate.

The point about the President’s Trophies was a response to you citing Malkin and the Pens talent. Washington had more regular season success, but faltered in the playoffs. Any star player gets flak for that, even Crosby before the back to back Cups.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Sure that's great but you also said that you would take peak Ovi over a peak Crosby on a playoff run and in 08-09 peak Crosby best peak Ovechkin (Capitals had 9 more points in the regular season) and in the deciding game 7 Crosby had 2 goals and a primary assist so that's why many would take Crosby over Ovi.

Ovechkin was the best player in that series and had more points than Crosby.

 

[wetcoast]

It was a straight forward question. Your inability to answer is not surprising.



I have no doubt that lots of people desire to revise history in Crosby's favor and to the detriment of Ovechkin.

Hfboards history forum did a poll where 30% of respondents claim Crosby was better in their rookie seasons despite Ovechkin scoring more goals and more points and winning the Calder and ranking ahead of Crosby for the Hart and the Pearson.

You are part of that 30%.

Seriously Ovi had 4 more points than Crosby in their NHL rookie seasons and the difference was one player was 2 years older than the other guy, nothing noteworthy.

For the OP even if Ovi does hit 20 goals would it really be considered a good season by him and add anything to his legacy?

I doubt it.

 

[Fordy]

It was a straight forward question. Your inability to answer is not surprising.



I have no doubt that lots of people desire to revise history in Crosby's favor and to the detriment of Ovechkin.

Hfboards history forum did a poll where 30% of respondents claim Crosby was better in their rookie seasons despite Ovechkin scoring more goals and more points and winning the Calder and ranking ahead of Crosby for the Hart and the Pearson.

You are part of that 30%.

so i win then. cool. i'm not going to list every single season crosby has ever played that was better than ovechkin's best year, i don't have to. you acknowledge how history will be remembered

 

[wetcoast]

Ovechkin was the best player in that series and had more points than Crosby.

Crosby had 8 goals just like Ovi and came up clutch in game 7 that's the difference.

Even if one preferred Ovi at the time the difference would be insignificant.

 

[Midnight Judges]

No, you are telling me what I think which isn’t accurate.

The point about the President’s Trophies was a response to you citing Malkin and the Pens talent. Washington had more regular season success, but faltered in the playoffs. Any star player gets flak for that, even Crosby before the back to back Cups.

There is zero chance that you would be giving Crosby flak for leading his team to a President's trophy.

If Crosby's teams led this category 3 to 0, you'd be claiming it's due to Crosby's superior characteristics.

 

[Fordy]

There is zero chance that you would be giving Crosby flak for leading his team to a President's trophy.

If Crosby's teams led this category 3 to 0, you'd be claiming it's due to Crosby's superior characteristics.

and you'd be claiming it's because he has better teammates. who cares who would claim what? we all agree who will be remembered as better

 

[Neil Racki]

and you'd be claiming it's because he has better teammates. who cares who would claim what? we all agree who will be remembered as better

Who will be remembered better? Like thats some kind of future quantifiable thing to begin with.

I could get a good look at the future if I stick my head up Nostradamus' ass .. but I guess Ill take your word for it. You win. lets move on.

Im honestly surprised the Ovi haters in here are even bringing up Crosby as some type of watering down or slight to Ovi in this Ovi thread.

Hes slumping .. yall should be parading over this. Save the Crosby schtick for when Ovi is doing well and you have nothing else to troll Ovi threads with.

 

[Fordy]

Who will be remembered better? Like thats some kind of future quantifiable thing to begin with.

I could get a good look at the future if I stick my head up Nostradamus' ass .. but I guess Ill take your word for it. You win. lets move on.

Im honestly surprised the Ovi haters in here are even bringing up Crosby as some type of watering down or slight to Ovi in this Ovi thread.

Hes slumping .. yall should be parading over this. Save the Crosby schtick for when Ovi is doing well and you have nothing else to troll Ovi threads with.

crosby will be remembered as better lol, he is already known that way

i don't really have any agenda to troll about ovechkin, i wish he was playing better and hope he breaks the record, as i said before. i'm just reminding the people that are grasping at straws in these threads every month on the dot

 

[coooldude]

Is there a pinned thread somewhere where all of you can go CJ about Crosby vs Ovechkin for the rest of time, while the rest of us stay on topic and CJ about whether Ovechkin is cooked or not?

 

[Neil Racki]

crosby will be remembered as better lol, he is already known that way

i don't really have any agenda to troll about ovechkin, i wish he was playing better and hope he breaks the record, as i said before. i'm just reminding the people that are grasping at straws in these threads every month on the dot

"i dont really have any agenda to troll about ovechkin" ... "im just reminding the people every month on the dot"

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