Will Ovechkin hit 20 goals this season?

[Demandedace]

Fourth goal for Ovi this season that was overturned. This is a tough one for sure

 

[SherVaughn30]

Goalies should just push out from the crease and bump every screener in their way now. Can get any goal wiped out.

Ah, also if you slow it down the puck crossed the line with over a minute left in the game. 1:00.08 Situation room shouldn't even have been able to initiate a review based on the rulebook.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

He's 38.

Did you think he was just gonna keep scoring 50 until he died at age 98? Maybe on the bench after scoring his 50th goal of the season?

No, but I thought he could hit 30 for sure. I still wouldn’t be surprised if he hit 35 or 40 next season.

 

[SherVaughn30]

"In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed."

Saro's touched Dowd with his stick as Dowd moved across the edge of the crease. There was no bump. There was no hindrance. Saros got beat.

This play is as egregious as some of the goals waved off that Holmstrom was adjacent to back in the day...

Sorry, amazing assessment that Saros touched Dowd from the players bench! That is an amazing reach or Saros is using a portal to reach the blue crease! All seriousness, Saros was the backup sitting on the bench in this game. Rookie Askarov was the Preds goalie in this game! Good thing you are not a reporter or beat writer, as that would have been really embarrassing!

 

[SherVaughn30]

Not from the crease but within the crease. Goalies have been doing this for some time now to prove their intent to use that space. If they don't they generally won't get the call unless the screener bumps them. This tactic will not work outside the crease as the screener is entitled to that space if they get there first. Outside also incidental contact even initiated by the player might not be called, and even inside it might not be called if considered not to have impaired the goalie or inhibited their use of space in their crease. So goalies do use tactics like that but need to be cautious not to be scored on as they might be deemed to have had time to recover if the screener moves away.
What Dowd did was not a penalty it simply prevented allowing the goal in the refs final opinion. If he had moved out and the puck went in after it would surely have been allowed. (Which is commonly why screeners do that to some degree but in this case the timing was off or Dowd's positional awareness wrt the crease just slightly off)
It won't be Ovie's last disallowed goal on the way to 894 whether he makes it or not. It's part of the game under the current rules.

Wow, you would make for a terrible journalist as well! The Refs didn't make the decision. The Situation Room in TO made the call and review. Refs simply just announced the call over the loud speaker of what the Situation Room decided. In fact, the Refs called a good goal on the ice and were ready to drop the puck for a faceoff when TO called in and intervened.

 

[norrisnick]

Sorry, amazing assessment that Saros touched Dowd from the players bench! That is an amazing reach or Saros is using a portal to reach the blue crease! All seriousness, Saros was the backup sitting on the bench in this game. Rookie Askarov was the Preds goalie in this game! Good thing you are not a reporter or beat writer, as that would have been really embarrassing!

I'm pretty sure the Preds have used the fewest goalies since they've joined the league... It's confusing as hell when a new one pops up all of a sudden...

 

[SherVaughn30]

I find it funny being a goalie for 30 years myself that no one is even mentioning that Askarov was screened and leaned/looked around left of Dowd, which is a goalie cardinal sin. OV in that split second recognized Askarov looking the wrong way and fired left into an open portion of the net. I might add, Askarov also by his fault got his stick blade caught up in Dowd's skates(that is why his stick ended up not staying flat on the ice). If the goalie has already kind of flinched making his move left to look around, then he already gave away his advantage of having GI called! I think that is how the Refs saw it because they called a good goal right away and were somewhat ready to drop the puck for a center ice faceoff.

I'm pretty sure the Preds have used the fewest goalies since they've joined the league... It's confusing as hell when a new one pops up all of a sudden...

No it's not confusing. You just look at the score sheet and see which goalies played in that given game! It takes not even a min to do so.

 

[hfman]

makes sense for him to slow down.

spread out his goals over the next 5 or 6 years until he breaks the record.

He knows Washington is going to keep re-signing him to 1-year deals until he breaks the record, even if it takes him until age 45.

So why not stretch it out over 6 years and cash in a little extra?



or is that too far-fetched?

 

[Randyne]

Absolute robbery. Sid kicked out the saved puck from goaile catch gloves and NHL counts that's a goal. A goalie touches a skater who standing outside the crease and Ovi's GWG is gone.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Absolute robbery. Sid kicked out the saved puck from goaile catch gloves and NHL counts that's a goal. A goalie touches a skater who standing outside the crease and Ovi's GWG is gone.

You mad bro?

 

[Hanji]

Absolute robbery. Sid kicked out the saved puck from goaile catch gloves and NHL counts that's a goal. A goalie touches a skater who standing outside the crease and Ovi's GWG is gone.

Well sure. Sid and Wayne are Canadian heroes.
Ovechkin? He's disliked anywhere outside of Capital One Arena

You do the math.

 

[sr edler]

Not very good on penalty shots, why does he try deking when he has that shot?

Ovi's shot is based on overpowering goalies moving laterally/sideways with deadly one-timers. How this would translate to shootouts or breakaways I've no idea. Bure when his knees were gone could still score on a penalty shot because he had moves. Lemieux was also deadly one-on-one with the goalie, probably the best ever, because he had tons of moves/options and not just a cannon.

 

[PaulD]

He needs to stay with the caps, because they will keep gifting him ice time even if he doesn't deserve it. Even this season, he's getting far better opportunities than he would deserve with his play alone.

still playing full two minute powerplays .....longer on double minors and majors. You are right, he would not get thst anywhere else.

Well sure. Sid and Wayne are Canadian heroes.
Ovechkin? He's disliked anywhere outside of Capital One Arena

You do the math.

Nah. OV fans all over the place.

 

[PaulD]

I'm pretty sure the Preds have used the fewest goalies since they've joined the league... It's confusing as hell when a new one pops up all of a sudden...

25 seasons / 13 goalies.

 

[PaulD]

Sorry, amazing assessment that Saros touched Dowd from the players bench! That is an amazing reach or Saros is using a portal to reach the blue crease! All seriousness, Saros was the backup sitting on the bench in this game. Rookie Askarov was the Preds goalie in this game! Good thing you are not a reporter or beat writer, as that would have been really embarrassing!

Ha! Ya, ya kind of should know who the goalie is on the play, if your argument is going to carry any weight at all.

 

[WayTooCold]

120kg fat slob and too much vodka.

 

[General Fanager]

I hope he picks it up. it will be fun to see how close he can get or even pass Gretz.....

 

[Midnight Judges]

If Sidney Crosby scores this goal, there is no chance it gets overturned. Patrick Hornquist used to do this sort of thing constantly, and they were allowing it.

 

[Neil Racki]

By seasons end it will all even out and these unlucky non goals will be offset by lucky goals coming his way.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Wow, you would make for a terrible journalist as well! The Refs didn't make the decision. The Situation Room in TO made the call and review. Refs simply just announced the call over the loud speaker of what the Situation Room decided. In fact, the Refs called a good goal on the ice and were ready to drop the puck for a faceoff when TO called in and intervened.

I stand corrected on who made the final call, but I think I described the rationale used to make it. I might not have it exactly right but of course you seem to be totally off base on what the ruling should be, whether for emotional reasons or some other. But of course that's fine. You can continue to enjoy watching goals called back and puzzle over it or think there is some conspiracy. All good.
...and of course you would make an excellent journalists as there is always an audience for that typer of thing...not everyone wants to accept what they don't like.

On topic, the play just reminds me that Ovechkin has a fair bit of work cut out for him to catch Gretzky, will get both good and bad breaks along the way, but is certainly still capable of putting the puck in the net...don't stick a fork in him yet...

 

[mrv52]

Saturday night. Holidays. Full building of fans. Hall of famer face of franchise scores with 1 minute left. Crowd goes crazy. Situation room overturns goal. Crowd pissed. Disjointed OT period with PP waiting for whistle. Then home team loses in a skills competition. Home crowd goes home pissed. Is this the NHL' s intent with the product? For those that also watched the Cowboys/Lions finish it is the same thing really.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Absolute robbery. Sid kicked out the saved puck from goaile catch gloves and NHL counts that's a goal. A goalie touches a skater who standing outside the crease and Ovi's GWG is gone.

I didn't see the former so I can't comment.

But regarding the overturned OV goal, it was a textbook call. It doesn't matter where the attacking player is standing if the contact is initiated by them while the defending goalie is in the crease (also part of the caps' player's butt was over the crease line, despite his skates being outside).

69.3 Contact Inside the Goal Crease – If an attacking player initiates contact with a goalkeeper, incidental or otherwise, while the goalkeeper is in his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed (refer to Rule 69.7 for an exception).

 

[The Grim Reaper]

If Sidney Crosby scores this goal, there is no chance it gets overturned. Patrick Hornquist used to do this sort of thing constantly, and they were allowing it.

Rent free.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Have people never encountered goalie interference calls before? There is always a lot of confusion and disagreement. It isn't some conspiracy to rob Ovechkin. It's the NHL simply being bad at this stuff.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Have people never encountered goalie interference calls before? There is always a lot of confusion and disagreement. It isn't some conspiracy to rob Ovechkin. It's the NHL simply being bad at this stuff.

It isn't that the NHL is bad at it. It's that the fans are extremely bad at it on top of being emotional. If fans were to take the time to understand the rules, they'd see that the NHL gets these calls right 90%+ of the time or so.