Will Leafs Pursue Stamkos? Part 2

[Pookie]

Degenerative disc disease, not degenerative disc injury. The disease happens over time then suddenly the pain shows up whereas an injury is due to a sudden catastropic event that damages the back, ie mason raymond; broken back.
Semantically, it is an injury, but he was not injured.

Whatever you want.

Point was in reference to a player taking a risk on a 1 year deal and suffering an unexpected injury that ends their career.

The injury that wasn't an injury (?) was unexpected and affected his future income.

All good?

 

[tolwyn]

Genius, what if we gave him a 2-3 year max contract while we don't need the cap space as much. With a handshake deal that he'll resign at a cap friendly contract for 5-6 years for when we do need the cap space.

3 years at 12.5
5 years at 8

8 year at 77.5

Almost a 2mill a year cap saving for 5 years.

It's definitely an interesting thing on paper, but no agent would EVER do this.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Couldn't the leafs sign him to a 1 year deal then an 8 year deal?

1 year 12 mill
8 years 80 mill

Could even make that first year huge and keep the cap hit down on the 8

His agent wont sign that of course.
Nice try.

If he gets injured, the Leafs could walk away.

 

[Tak7]

If Stamkos hits free agency, he will get *several* max term offers.

Any talk of trying to get him on a short-term deal is ridiculous.

 

[Snow Dog]

Whatever you want.

Point was in reference to a player taking a risk on a 1 year deal and suffering an unexpected injury that ends their career.

The injury that wasn't an injury (?) was unexpected and affected his future income.

All good?

Don't players or teams carry insurance that would take care of a career ending injury.eg,similar to workers comp?

 

[Gallagbi]

Don't players or teams carry insurance that would take care of a career ending injury.eg,similar to workers comp?

Contracts are insured, not potential earnings.

If Stamkos signs a 1-year deal and gets hurt, his payout is for the remainder of that year.

If he signs a 7-year deal and is hurt in the first year, he's paid for the remaining 6 + duration of that year.

Stamkos won't come on a gimmick deal. If he comes here it will be on a long term deal, at a high cap hit (10+), because he always wanted to be a Leaf.

 

[Stephen]

Didn't LeBron James sign a three year contract returning to Cleveland? It's not entirely unprecedented for a guy to get a big payout in a short amount of time.

If he signs a 3 year, $15 million per deal, that's $45 million in the bank in just under a third of the time.

 

[TMLegend]

If Stamkos hits free agency, he will get *several* max term offers.

Any talk of trying to get him on a short-term deal is ridiculous.

Exactly. Also, I personally don't think this talk of 9.5X7 is realistic at all from posters i've seen.

Let's break it down.

He'll be a 26 year old ufa with at minimum 40 goal, 70 point pedigree.
This will be the biggest contract he signs in his career.
If he won't give TB a discount why would he give anyone else?

IF he makes ufa, I guarantee he'll get no lower than 10.5M annually, with potential for a contract north of 11M. Stastny got 7M as a ufa, Clarkson got 5.2 for one 30 goal season. Teams go crazy for goal scorers in UFA:

Personally, I don't want him for a variety of reasons. That's franchise player money, something Stamkos isn't anymore.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Didn't LeBron James sign a three year contract returning to Cleveland? It's not entirely unprecedented for a guy to get a big payout in a short amount of time.

If he signs a 3 year, $15 million per deal, that's $45 million in the bank in just under a third of the time.

I'm pretty sure LeBron signed a three year deal with an player opt out after each year. So he gets his 3 years in case he gets injured but he opts out every year. It's more James' ego and knowing he deserves to get paid more and more as the cap goes up.

 

[WillNytheSwedishGuy]

Didn't LeBron James sign a three year contract returning to Cleveland? It's not entirely unprecedented for a guy to get a big payout in a short amount of time.

If he signs a 3 year, $15 million per deal, that's $45 million in the bank in just under a third of the time.

Some problems with the Lebron comparison, considering he opted for a shorter deal because he correctly anticipated that salaries in the NBA would explode following the new TV deal. There is no similar salary spike in the NHL's near future, so the rewards likely don't outweigh the risk for Stamkos when it comes to assessing the possibility of a short term deal.

I agree with the others that say there is virtually no chance he takes anything less than 7 years.

 

[Budsfan]

If Lightning try to deal Stamkos, which teams are likely suitors?

http://www.tbo.com/sports/lightning...mkos-which-teams-are-likely-suitors-20160131/

By Erik Erlendsson | Tribune Staff Erik Erlendsson on Google+
Published: January 31, 2016
Updated: February 1, 2016 at 06:33 AM

TAMPA — The countdown clock is officially ticking.

The NHL trade deadline is four weeks from today, and the Lightning will be the league’s most-watched team between now and the 3 p.m. deadline on Feb. 29. General manager Steve Yzerman won’t necessarily be the busiest executive among his peers, but any move he does — or does not — make will garner big headlines.

Lightning captain Steven Stamkos remains without a contract extension, and he is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. So, the cloud that hovered over the franchise at the start of training camp has only grown darker as the season has stretched beyond its halfway point.

It remains to be seen where Stamkos will end up and whether the Lightning will trade their captain if they think a new contract will not be reached in time.

Stamkos has some say in the matter. With a full no-move clause in his contract, he cannot be traded or waived without granting his permission.

But if the Lightning did indeed consider trading Stamkos — rather than lose him as a free agent this summer and get nothing in return — what might Yzerman want? A right-handed defenseman? NHL players? Prospects? Draft picks?

And what teams might want in on the action? The criteria is limiting — with salary cap space being a big consideration.

There are four teams that have the resources to possibly acquire the two-time Rocket Richard Trophy winner in hopes of signing him to a long-term extension. And there are four teams with the resources to possibly acquire Stamkos — and the balance of his $7.5 million salary cap hit — as a “rental” player in a bid to win the Stanley Cup this season.

♦ Toronto

The only way the Maple Leafs consider a trade is if they know Stamkos is staying long term. And the only reason to surrender assets for him would be to avoid a potential bidding war that could drive up his sticker price even higher this summer. But this probably is the most unlikely scenario for a trade, because it’s hard to see Stamkos waiving his no-move clause to go to a team that will miss the playoffs.

Estimated available cap space: $8.5 million*

 

[Pookie]

Don't players or teams carry insurance that would take care of a career ending injury.eg,similar to workers comp?

They can but just the contract would be insured.

Edit... Exactly what eazy said.

 

[Pookie]

If Lightning try to deal Stamkos, which teams are likely suitors?

http://www.tbo.com/sports/lightning...mkos-which-teams-are-likely-suitors-20160131/

I think it's moot now. Stamkos has said he won't waive his NTC.

Which to me, means the lightning will sign him at a significant price. But then they have the option to trade him down the road.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If Lightning try to deal Stamkos, which teams are likely suitors?

http://www.tbo.com/sports/lightning...mkos-which-teams-are-likely-suitors-20160131/

Don't see him being dealt at all.

 

[Stephen]

I think it's moot now. Stamkos has said he won't waive his NTC.

Which to me, means the lightning will sign him at a significant price. But then they have the option to trade him down the road.

Sounds like Stamkos gets one more crack at the cup guaranteed, then is free to sign with the highest bidder.

 

[Menzinger]

If Lightning try to deal Stamkos, which teams are likely suitors?

http://www.tbo.com/sports/lightning...mkos-which-teams-are-likely-suitors-20160131/

I'd be furious if the Leafs traded anything more than a conditional 3rd for him.

If he comes here let it be for free on July 1st.

 

[ACC1224]

Don't see him being dealt at all.

Me either. Similar to Sundin, he's not going to walk out on his teammates.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Me either. Similar to Sundin, he's not going to walk out on his teammates.

right. and it doesn't mean that he'll be signed
just that he won't allow himself to be rented.

kind of like going for broke.

 

[ACC1224]

right. and it doesn't mean that he'll be signed
just that he won't allow himself to be rented.

kind of like going for broke.

Two seperate things. The other will be dealt with when the season is over.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Two seperate things. The other will be dealt with when the season is over.

well i know that.
just a few people are saying that since he won't - it means the Lightning will sign him. not necessarily.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Me either. Similar to Sundin, he's not going to walk out on his teammates.

Plus if they want to win a cup - better odds with him then without, and he can block a trade anyway, doubt he wants to deal with packing up and moving/living in a place he may not want to sign with later on down the line.

If he moves at all, it's left until the off-season.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I agree with you re: Marner and McDavid, but I'd say that it comes with a caveat that some Ontario-born players are Leafs fans at the time of the draft but no longer feel the same way by the time they are 25 or 30. On one hand, Lindros wanted to play *only* for the Leafs when he was 27. On the other hand, I'd wonder how much Spezza still wanted to play for us after years of success in Ottawa, even though he grew up a Leaf fan. Ditto with Shanahan. I don't think Shanny would ever have considered leaving Detroit in his prime, although admittedly he's now returned to the team of his youth. And Cujo was already a hero in Toronto, and LEFT to pursue a cup with Detroit.

I think it'll all depend on the circumstances. Has X player won a cup? Would he be leaving a cup contender? Are the Leafs a contender, or at least a playoff team? Has he married a local girl? Does he want to live on the beaches of California instead, and just come to Toronto in the summers, and then cheer for the Leafs again after retirement?

True. A lot depends on Stamkos and his personal preferences. We don't know what he fancies in terms of climate, his desire to be near family, other important people in his life and how they influence him (i.e .girl friend) and numerous other things. Lots of factors to consider and hence there's so much machinations going on here that's just pure speculation.

 

[Menzinger]

I have a hard time seeing why he'd want to leave a contending team as the playoffs edge closer by the day.

I think he will want to give the coaching staff one more playoff chance to see how they use him. If he's happy he'll stay, if Cooper continues to alienate his star player he will walk.

 

[studebaker17]

I have a hard time seeing why he'd want to leave a contending team as the playoffs edge closer by the day.

I think he will want to give the coaching staff one more playoff chance to see how they use him. If he's happy he'll stay, if Cooper continues to alienate his star player he will walk.

If he is to be traded it won't be till after the season but before free agency to give a confident team a chance to get the jump on offering him an 8 yr deal. It would be a publicity disaster for Tampa to trade him at the dead line while trying to make the playoffs and be a contending team. That and why would he wave .

 

[Gary Nylund]

I have a hard time seeing why he'd want to leave a contending team as the playoffs edge closer by the day.

I think he will want to give the coaching staff one more playoff chance to see how they use him. If he's happy he'll stay, if Cooper continues to alienate his star player he will walk.

I've heard the odd person say that Stamkos is playing like he doesn't want to get injured. I'm a bit sceptical of this and have no idea if it's true or not but if it is, then avoiding the playoffs until he signs a contract would be a huge positive from his POV.