Wild fire head coach Dean Evason, hiring John Hynes as head coach

[Tob]

The Big Kale made a move last night after Evason's out of line comments exposing Makar's antics #JusticeForDean

 

[NHL1674]

And he will use the word “ identity” often. He prefers someone to go out of position to make a hit over someone going out of position to make a play. Hits>>>Goals

Screaming this for the people in the cheap seats.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

If the Wild fire Guerin can the Oilers have him?

I think there a pretty large flaws in Guerin’s approach that would make him an awful fit in Edmonton.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This is Guerin saying "I put together a winning roster and the coach was holding them back".

We'll see, Billy.

 

[AKL]

Foligno doesn’t look to be a great contract. What else you got? If you don’t mind, curious.

Just for starters, Foligno sucked last year. Really sucked and became nothing but a penalty liability towards the end of the year. A smart GM would wait a little bit to see if a contract year would motivate the player to be better. But instead, Billy was so so desperate to keep him, that he threw the most ridiculous contract at him before the season even started.....a contract that will most likely be bought out further creating dead cap space. That's just ONE of the many reasons.

It's bad extensions to guys like Foligno and Zuccarello before they even demonstrate what they deserve, Middleton falls into this category too, extended him for 2.5M before he noticed he's a bottom pairing defenseman.

It's handshake deals to Goligoski that if Guerin overpays him at 5M for one year, he'll then overpay him at 2M for the next two, with a full NMC, now Goligoski is the press box guy every night because we can't get rid of him and he's not that good (I legit forgot he was on the team because they refuse to play him).

It's telling people you're trying to win now, but trading Fiala for futures, while simultaneously not trading guys like Foligno and Zuccarello for futures.

It's the fact that everyone on the team has some degree of trade protection (if they're eligible) except for Middleton and Merrill, making it really hard to move guys who don't fit anymore. These are guys who shouldn't have anywhere close to the level of protection they have.

• Zuccarello has a NMC
• Foligno has a NMC
• Gaudreau has a 15 team no trade list
• Johansson has a full NTC
• Hartman has a NMC
• Spurgeon has a NMC
• Brodin has a NMC
• Goligoski has a NMC
• Fleury has a NMC
• Kaprizov has a NMC that's going to come back to bite us in the ass the next two years when we're trying to figure out if an extension is going to happen or if we need to trade him

Behind the scenes it's the fact that he came in talking about tearing down the country club feel this organization had when he started, and he wanted guys who were hungry, and he wanted to move towards youth and speed, and four years later, we're actually more of a country club than when he started, but now it's his guys instead of Fletcher's.

Over the past few years, the success has come on the backs of guys like Kaprizov, Boldy, Fiala, Eriksson Ek, Zuccarello. Guerin didn't play a part in bringing in any of those guys, they were all Fletcher and Fenton. Guerin has had a hand in extensions of some of the guys Fletcher and Fenton brought in, and they're 50/50 on whether they're good deals (Eriksson Ek), bad deals (Foligno), or TBD (Boldy).

The guys Guerin has brought in, to a team he insists is trying to win, are Frederick Gaudreau, Marcus Johansson, Jake Middleton, Alex Goligoski, Jon Merrill and Filip Gustavsson (and you could make the case that Gustavsson was something he stumbled into by chance, considering his original plan was to keep Talbot, and he only traded Talbot because him and his wife went public against Guerin).

Credit goes to him for listening to his scouts and getting Faber in the Fiala return, but that trade still isn't even for us yet. Also it's nice to have pieces like Rossi and Yurov coming into the fray, but that's because he relinquished most of the control of the draft to Judd Brackett. This most recent year he made the decision to take Stramel with their 1st (against what the scouting staff would have done) because he wanted more size and centers in the prospect pool, and now Stramel looks like he's a long shot to be a bottom six player in the NHL, and as of this weekend he's not even playing center in college because he wasn't good there.

He's been on record as saying he won't try to find the best deal in a trade, he'll just accept the first deal that he thinks is fair. Just before trading Fiala, he got on a radio show and was asked about moving Dumba or Fiala, and his response was something to the effect of "we really like Dumba, and Fiala only had three good months" (which was not true, as he'd been good for much longer, but Guerin and Evason had him playing with bottom six players expecting him to score at a first line rate). He then let Dumba walk for nothing.

He has an outdated vision for what a Cup team looks like, which is why he chooses to fill his roster with meatheads like Foligno and Middleton when he can. Maroon and Bogosian were his big acquisitions this season. Because they're big and tough mind you, not because they're good at hockey. He clearly prioritizes that kind of stuff, and the reason Evason got to stick around is because he agreed with Guerin on that.

 

[NHL1674]

Zucc looks like a complete stud playing with Kaprizov or am I wrong on that read?

Maroons cheap and effective or atleast usually has been though.

Goligoski I don’t know about.

But They don’t seem thattt bad of contracts.

I actually don't mind Maroon that much. The Goligoski and Foligno contracts make me want to punch a brick wall.

 

[TheNumber4]

We have a Zuke drinking game on all his turnovers, and I´m going full alcoholic 20 games in.

Interesting. Was not aware of that but that’s why you got to watch the games. Watching Highlights I just see the insane chemistry those two have developed.

 

[NHL1674]

It's bad extensions to guys like Foligno and Zuccarello before they even demonstrate what they deserve, Middleton falls into this category too, extended him for 2.5M before he noticed he's a bottom pairing defenseman.

It's handshake deals to Goligoski that if Guerin overpays him at 5M for one year, he'll then overpay him at 2M for the next two, with a full NMC, now Goligoski is the press box guy every night because we can't get rid of him and he's not that good (I legit forgot he was on the team because they refuse to play him).

It's telling people you're trying to win now, but trading Fiala for futures, while simultaneously not trading guys like Foligno and Zuccarello for futures.

It's the fact that everyone on the team has some degree of trade protection (if they're eligible) except for Middleton and Merrill, making it really hard to move guys who don't fit anymore. These are guys who shouldn't have anywhere close to the level of protection they have.

• Zuccarello has a NMC
• Foligno has a NMC
• Gaudreau has a 15 team no trade list
• Johansson has a full NTC
• Hartman has a NMC
• Spurgeon has a NMC
• Brodin has a NMC
• Goligoski has a NMC
• Fleury has a NMC
• Kaprizov has a NMC that's going to come back to bite us in the ass the next two years when we're trying to figure out if an extension is going to happen or if we need to trade him

Behind the scenes it's the fact that he came in talking about tearing down the country club feel this organization had when he started, and he wanted guys who were hungry, and he wanted to move towards youth and speed, and four years later, we're actually more of a country club than when he started, but now it's his guys instead of Fletcher's.

Over the past few years, the success has come on the backs of guys like Kaprizov, Boldy, Fiala, Eriksson Ek, Zuccarello. Guerin didn't play a part in bringing in any of those guys, they were all Fletcher and Fenton. Guerin has had a hand in extensions of some of the guys Fletcher and Fenton brought in, and they're 50/50 on whether they're good deals (Eriksson Ek), bad deals (Foligno), or TBD (Boldy).

The guys Guerin has brought in, to a team he insists is trying to win, are Frederick Gaudreau, Marcus Johansson, Jake Middleton, Alex Goligoski, Jon Merrill and Filip Gustavsson (and you could make the case that Gustavsson was something he stumbled into by chance, considering his original plan was to keep Talbot, and he only traded Talbot because him and his wife went public against Guerin).

Credit goes to him for listening to his scouts and getting Faber in the Fiala return, but that trade still isn't even for us yet. Also it's nice to have pieces like Rossi and Yurov coming into the fray, but that's because he relinquished most of the control of the draft to Judd Brackett. This most recent year he made the decision to take Stramel with their 1st (against what the scouting staff would have done) because he wanted more size and centers in the prospect pool, and now Stramel looks like he's a long shot to be a bottom six player in the NHL, and as of this weekend he's not even playing center in college because he wasn't good there.

He's been on record as saying he won't try to find the best deal in a trade, he'll just accept the first deal that he thinks is fair. Just before trading Fiala, he got on a radio show and was asked about moving Dumba or Fiala, and his response was something to the effect of "we really like Dumba, and Fiala only had three good months (which was not true, as he'd been good for much longer, but Guerin and Evason had him playing with bottom six players expecting him to score at a first line rate). He then let Dumba walk for nothing.

He has an outdated vision for what a Cup team looks like, which is why he chooses to fill his roster with meatheads like Foligno and Middleton when he can. Maroon and Bogosian were his big acquisitions this season. Because they're big and tough mind you, not because they're good at hockey. He clearly prioritizes that kind of stuff, and the reason Evason got to stick around is because he agreed with Guerin on that.

Can we pin this?

 

[beardawg]

Sorry, Wild fans. Prepare for Hynes to ruin the development on your top prospects. Maybe Boldy ends up on waivers like Tolvanen

 

[rynryn]

whatever the case, the team looked much much better last year. I blame Dumba's departure. Our team looks like a bunch of sad lil muppets out there this year when we lose instead of defiant.

 

[Jumptheshark]

well we found out how much rope he had

 

[Sweetnut]

Interesting. Was not aware of that but that’s why you got to watch the games. Watching Highlights I just see the insane chemistry those two have developed.

Secondary Zuke always gets his seconds. His shift average/game is among the highest in the NHL, so he is always tired at the end of his shifts.

 

[vipera1960]

Instead of buying out and taking on those penalties, he could have just kept Suter and Parise playing at approximately 15M cap hit per year for 4 years? Instead he bought them out and has 15M dead cap x 4 years still?

IIRC they got bought out because they wouldn’t waive their NMC’s for the expansion draft.

 

[super6646]

Ngl I thought he did pretty well in getting those minny teams to overachieve. Getting a 53 win season out of a team with Erikson-Ek as your best centre is pretty good work.

 

[Armourboy]

Ok look when I said I didn't know why they hired Evanson to start with that didn't mean double down and hire Hynes.

Be prepared to see every young player benched or stuck on the 4th line playing with scrubs while your " grit " is bumped to the top lines. If you had any hope for a younger player to develop, you can throw that right out the window and set it on fire.

 

[adsfan]

Not gonna lie I'd never fire Evason, he's too intimidating and I get scared easily.

Dean did his best to keep Trenin out of the NHL. Yakov has played 242 games and scored 70 points, so far.

Evasion will wreck another team.

 

[ref19]

Amazing.

Will be great with the Wild. Hope Dean gets a chance elsewhere.

 

[Terry Yake]

is hynes really an upgrade?

 

[Armourboy]

is hynes really an upgrade?

Not in any way shape or form.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Ok look when I said I didn't know why they hired Evanson to start with that didn't mean double down and hire Hynes.

Be prepared to see every young player benched or stuck on the 4th line playing with scrubs while your " grit " is bumped to the top lines. If you had any hope for a younger player to develop, you can throw that right out the window and set it on fire.

Oh great another gritty coach

 

[Marty Party]

If Hynes was your only option, just hold on to the lame duck coach until a good coach is available to interview and hire.

I never liked the Hynes hire in NSH and was happy when he was finally released.

That being said, I don't think he ever lost to the Devils while he coached here. Hope that doesn't continue with us and the Wild now.

 

[Sweetnut]

is hynes really an upgrade?

A doll tied to a stick would be an upgrade.

 

[Armourboy]

Oh great another gritty coach

Yep. You will move to the top of the league in hits, that's about the only number you will see go up other than maybe Goals against.

 

[AKL]

Yep. You will move to the top of the league in hits, that's about the only number you will see go up other than maybe Goals against.

So the tank lives on?

 

[Terry Yake]

A doll tied to a stick would be an upgrade.

as someone who never watches the wild, what was the problem with evason? it'd be shocking if hynes was an upgrade in any way