Wild fire head coach Dean Evason, hiring John Hynes as head coach

[Saga of the Elk]

Foligno got a 4x4 NMC before the season even started.
That is what driving everyone here crazy.
And Zuke got an extension with clauses, again before season.
Hartman? yeah, you guessed it. 4M x 3, NMC BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED!
This is so f***ed up, throw away the players motivator to earn their stay.

Probably said it before, but there are players' coaches who are too soft on guys, and then there are players' GMs. Guerin has too much of the former player in him to make sound business decisions.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

John Hynes hired again?

I never understood the Suter buyout. Praise sucked the entire time he was there (or at least relative to his cap hit) but Suter was pretty effective and is still in the league.

Consider the implications of having two employees holding the power to kill your entire franchise if they want to, the penalties if either retired or stopped playing in any way (the league specifically said LTIR was not going to be an escape for these two) were very clear, up to $40MM in cap recapture if you can’t keep both happy through the end of the contract. The league basically gave them temporary GM powers with their decisions. You can completely ignore anything to do with their play and understand why the buyouts happened.

These two had already gotten in trouble for overstepping and undermining management when they independently hired Adam Oates as a consultant for the teams PP and brought him to practice.

 

[AKL]

Probably said it before, but there are players' coaches who are too soft on guys, and then there are players' GMs. Guerin has too much of the former player in him to make sound business decisions.

I think it's more of a "his guys" vs "other guys" thing. He has no problem playing hardball if he doesn't like the guy, but if he likes the guy, he doesn't try that hard to be shrewd in his dealings, he just gives them what he thinks they'll accept and moves to the next one. Like I'd be willing to bet 4x4 with a NMC was his first offer to Foligno, who obviously wasn't stupid enough to not accept that.

Consider the implications of having two employees holding the power to kill your entire franchise if they want to, the penalties if either retired or stopped playing in any way (the league specifically said LTIR was not going to be an escape for these two) were very clear, up to $40MM in cap recapture if you can’t keep both happy through the end of the contract. The league basically gave them temporary GM powers with their decisions. You can completely ignore anything to do with their play and understand why the buyouts happened.

The recapture penalty was never going to be more than their cap hits in any given year. At worst it would have been 15M like it is now, spread out over however many years.

 

[Osprey]

Also he has given out NMC's to so many guys that he couldn't move them even if he wanted to.

They may waive their NMCs once they play for Hynes. Guerin might, in fact, be a genius.

 

[Mobiandi]

Why does John Hynes keep getting passed around like this

 

[Preds Partisan]

If Hynes is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

 

[NHL1674]

They may waive their NMCs once they play for Hynes. Guerin might, in fact, be a genius.

On a totally random side note, love the username. One of my favorite birdies.

 

[Osprey]

On a totally random side note, love the username. One of my favorite birdies.

Thanks. Same to you. 1674 is one of my favorite years.

 

[Voight]

Consider the implications of having two employees holding the power to kill your entire franchise if they want to, the penalties if either retired or stopped playing in any way (the league specifically said LTIR was not going to be an escape for these two) were very clear, up to $40MM in cap recapture if you can’t keep both happy through the end of the contract. The league basically gave them temporary GM powers with their decisions. You can completely ignore anything to do with their play and understand why the buyouts happened.

These two had already gotten in trouble for overstepping and undermining management when they independently hired Adam Oates as a consultant for the teams PP and brought him to practice.

Interesting, thanks for the insight.

Kind os BS LTIR wouldn't have been something they could've used. Injuries happen.

 

[HTFN]

Consider the implications of having two employees holding the power to kill your entire franchise if they want to, the penalties if either retired or stopped playing in any way (the league specifically said LTIR was not going to be an escape for these two) were very clear, up to $40MM in cap recapture if you can’t keep both happy through the end of the contract. The league basically gave them temporary GM powers with their decisions. You can completely ignore anything to do with their play and understand why the buyouts happened.

These two had already gotten in trouble for overstepping and undermining management when they independently hired Adam Oates as a consultant for the teams PP and brought him to practice.

lmfao they did what?

and they picked Adam Oates? The same Adam Oates that couldn't coach in Washington like, at all?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Best winning percentage in Wild coaching history.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Curious what teams' all-time records are under a mid-season new coach. Has to be like .873.

Because without coaches, hockey players wouldn't have any idea what to do.

 

[bdub24]

I LOVE this for the Wild

 

[TooManyHumans]

Why does John Hynes keep getting passed around like this

I'm not a fan of recycling coaches in general but usually it's at least with a coach who has won at some point.

 

[State of Hockey]

Consider the implications of having two employees holding the power to kill your entire franchise if they want to, the penalties if either retired or stopped playing in any way (the league specifically said LTIR was not going to be an escape for these two) were very clear, up to $40MM in cap recapture if you can’t keep both happy through the end of the contract. The league basically gave them temporary GM powers with their decisions. You can completely ignore anything to do with their play and understand why the buyouts happened.

Suter and Parise weren't in control of the franchise. You're overstating the impact of the recapture penalty. I remember the recapture math being calculated when they were bought-out, and essentially the worst possible recapture penalty scenario was what Guerin voluntarily accepted by buying them out when he did. The only difference was that Guerin could plan for the worst instead of facing the unknown of potentially being hit with the worst later with less flexibility to shed salary to absorb the recapture penalty. It was risky and arguably stupid to buy out both at that the worst possible time in relation the recapture penalty, and that argument hasn't changed to this day with Suter continuing to play at a competent level. It really left Evason with little chance to be the Wild coach for the long haul by handicapping him with the talent left for him to coach.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Probably said it before, but there are players' coaches who are too soft on guys, and then there are players' GMs. Guerin has too much of the former player in him to make sound business decisions.

I don't think the Foligno or Hartman contracts are that bad.
It's the dead cap space, but that's not really on Billy

 

[rynryn]

this is a different team if you're dropping hartman and foligno down lines and replacing some guys like Maroon and Bogosian (nothing against either--Maroon in particular has been well worth his spot) with 7.5m guys.

really don't think Guerin has done poorly or that the future is f***ed. we just have zero margin for error and evidently too high expectations.

edit: the Athletic interview with Deano post firing is fantastic. That guy has his head on straight. There's zero chance he'd have been fired if we had that buyout money in the lineup and it's too bad he didn't get a chance to work with it.

 

[Andre Palot]

I LOVE this for the Wild

Somebody has to, I suppose.

 

[Bruce Granville]

I LOVE this for the Wild

Okay, Mr. Guerin…

 

[TBF1972]

with resources getting scarc recycling makes a lot of sense.

 

[Kimota]

Why does John Hynes keep getting passed around like this

 

[57special]

with resources getting scarc recycling makes a lot of sense.

It's the responsible thing to do.

 

[MMC]