Hynes is not even a coach. No ideas, no structure, no knowledge.
Wild fire head coach Dean Evason, hiring John Hynes as head coach
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That's just silly. We have to realize ALL of the guys at this level have immense knowledge. Hynes is "an expert" at coaching, you can't really doubt that. He knows all the x's and o's, he has plenty of ideas. I think the biggest problem with him, from watching in Nashville was that maybe he just had "too many" ideas... he couldn't stick with any of them long enough or stop talking about them long enough for his players to figure out what he was really getting at. Aside from his go at establishing a "team identity" and getting everybody to start running around like chickens with their heads cut off looking for hits. That one kind of stuck.
I think the Preds were also at a juncture at the end of Poile's tenure where there was some pressure to "win now", even without having all the necessary pieces in place to do that effectively. Which probably fueled Hynes' approach to using veteran AHLers over younger players, and trying to emphasize physicality to make up for the lack of skill in his lineup. Until injuries piled up so deep at the end of his run that he had no choice but to use the younger players... and they proceeded to make him look like an even bigger fool by proving they were better than he had been giving them credit for.
Anyhow, I think he may lack some necessary ingredient for communicating effectively to his players, and he may have some BAD ideas. But he has ample knowledge of the game, he is clearly an intelligent person and a tireless worker. Maybe he'll find the right scenario that fits his approach somewhere. Just without the Old Boys networking, I would have expected he should have proven that somewhere else outside the NHL again before being let back in the door after failing in his previous 2 attempts.
EDIT: Oh yeah, make sure you don't get Granlund back. John Hynes loved that guy, played him into the ground even when it was obviously not working. I wonder who his new favorite child in Minnesota will be? I'd be afraid...
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Kind of like Edmonton. I don't think Woodcroft was the problem, but it's the easiest thing to do.
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I'm not sure if Evason is a good coach or not, but he was handicapped by the choices Minnesota made. There's too much dead cap. You can't afford better players down the middle. And when your goalies aren't stopping the puck, you're getting canned, eventually.
I think the organizational choices really left him with no chance to succeed.
I think the organizational choices really left him with no chance to succeed.
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Textbook example of coach getting sacrificed for GM's actions
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Big F$&*in Q
Meanwhile, DJ Smith on his way to work:
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Ya, I can't think of many teams with worse C depth. I can't believe how good Evason's record was during his tenure when you consider the rosters he was given.
I think this is the start of a collapse for Minny. The wheels are starting to fall off.
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Too much being made of the buy outs. That $15M was lit on fire the moment those contracts were signed by Fletcher. The end of those deals was always going to be a meltdown. Guerin's biggest issue is the overall inability to add skill and speed to this team. But he sure as s##t likes his 4th liners.
ETA: also didn't help that the league got pissy and changed the buyout rules to extra screw the Wild down the road.
ETA: also didn't help that the league got pissy and changed the buyout rules to extra screw the Wild down the road.
lol people bringing up buyouts. jesus. Those contracts were gonna screw us in the last few years no matter how they went down. zero margin for error operating under those circumstances so really this teams' performance shouldn't be surprising, and it's not easily fixable by anything other than a surprise over-performance or two.
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missingchicklet
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Hynes has been a subpar coach in the NHL. Watching him coach in Nashville was frustrating at best. Usually when choosing a coach from the revolving door you want to avoid the crappier ones. Not sure what the Wild are thinking on this one. Hope it works out for them, but I will be utterly shocked if Hynes is able to turn things around.
Seems like they're trying to tank this season. Hynes will be great for that. Wild might go for a bottom 3 pick.
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Good old fashioned cronyism. Hynes was Guerin's coach when he was GM of Wilkes-Barre, and Shero, who's currently in a senior advisor role to Guerin, hired him as head coach when he was GM in New Jersey. I can guarantee you they didn't even consider other options. They tried bringing Hynes in as an assistant but he declined so he could wait for a HC job to open up.
Laviolette = Stanley Cup champion, two-time losign finalist
Hitchcock = Stanley Cup champion, one-time losing finalist
McLellan = Two-time conference finalist
Boudreau = One-time conference finalist, one-time Presidents' Trophy winner
Hynes = Has never won a playoff series
That is what having no ideas, to fumble around.That's just silly. We have to realize ALL of the guys at this level have immense knowledge. Hynes is "an expert" at coaching, you can't really doubt that. He knows all the x's and o's, he has plenty of ideas. I think the biggest problem with him, from watching in Nashville was that maybe he just had "too many" ideas... he couldn't stick with any of them long enough or stop talking about them long enough for his players to figure out what he was really getting at. Aside from his go at establishing a "team identity" and getting everybody to start running around like chickens with their heads cut off looking for hits. That one kind of stuck.
I think the Preds were also at a juncture at the end of Poile's tenure where there was some pressure to "win now", even without having all the necessary pieces in place to do that effectively. Which probably fueled Hynes' approach to using veteran AHLers over younger players, and trying to emphasize physicality to make up for the lack of skill in his lineup. Until injuries piled up so deep at the end of his run that he had no choice but to use the younger players... and they proceeded to make him look like an even bigger fool by proving they were better than he had been giving them credit for.
Anyhow, I think he may lack some necessary ingredient for communicating effectively to his players, and he may have some BAD ideas. But he has ample knowledge of the game, he is clearly an intelligent person and a tireless worker. Maybe he'll find the right scenario that fits his approach somewhere. Just without the Old Boys networking, I would have expected he should have proven that somewhere else outside the NHL again before being let back in the door after failing in his previous 2 attempts.
EDIT: Oh yeah, make sure you don't get Granlund back. John Hynes loved that guy, played him into the ground even when it was obviously not working. I wonder who his new favorite child in Minnesota will be? I'd be afraid...
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My low-key theory is Guerin has been trying to tank for 3 years while convincing the world he's trying to win and just incompetent.
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His expression always reminds me of Terence Stamp in "The Limey"
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John Hynes hired again?
I never understood the Suter buyout. Praise sucked the entire time he was there (or at least relative to his cap hit) but Suter was pretty effective and is still in the league.
I never understood the Suter buyout. Praise sucked the entire time he was there (or at least relative to his cap hit) but Suter was pretty effective and is still in the league.
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Voight
#winning
Just looked @ Minny on CapFriendly and you weren't kidding. I remember back when Sutter was Flames GM they had like 9 or 10 guys with some sort of clause.
How on earth does Frederick Gaudreau get a M-NTC? Or Marcus Johansson with a full NTC?!
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Foligno got a 4x4 NMC before the season even started.
That is what driving everyone here crazy.
And Zuke got an extension with clauses, again before season.
Hartman? yeah, you guessed it. 4M x 3, NMC BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED!
This is so f***ed up, throw away the players motivator to earn their stay.
