Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[Liferleafer]

so why isn't such a generational, fantastic player getting more ice time?

Because the Leafs are more than a one trick pony?

 

[Liferleafer]

Jets played the Oil and Sabres this week and one thing I noticed is that both McDavid and Eichel were prominent on their PK units. Why doesn't Matthews PK if he's such a complete two way monster?

Same answer as i gave for another post....because the Leafs are more than a one trick pony. They have guys that are really good PKers. And using the fact McDavid/Eichel is on the PK really isn't a great argument...Edmonton has a dead last PK stat, Buffalo is 22nd....Toronto is 7th. Maybe Toronto understands what type of player is used to kill penalties?

 

[Lahey]

Oh wow, the only ones saying he's absolutely top 10 are Leafs homers, some of you need to grow up and watch other teams besides yours.

He's definately not top 10 ywt but in a couple of years he will be.

Lmaoo *proceeds to tell me I’m a homer and need to grow up*?? Then provides no actual insight as to why he isn’t top 10. Thanks for coming out pal u lost all credibility

 

[Lahey]

so why isn't such a generational, fantastic player getting more ice time?

We have a good team. Instead of saying “oh he isn’t” or “leafs are homers” provide actual insight lmfao

 

[Lahey]

I find it funny that Matthews fans compare him to Mcdavid all the time. Matthews is not on the same level as Mcdavid. I would even say it's not even close.

9 point gap after missing a bunch of games? He’s way closer than you haters think lmao

 

[A1LeafNation]

Jets played the Oil and Sabres this week and one thing I noticed is that both McDavid and Eichel were prominent on their PK units. Why doesn't Matthews PK if he's such a complete two way monster?

Oilers PK is the shittiest PK in the league. They are desperate to be putting McDavid to PK.

 

[Liferleafer]

Replying to homer Leafs fans who think Matthews is the best thing since sliced bread and have to attack any other fan base who has a good, young player?

An Oilers fan started this thread....about a good young player....not on the Oilers.

Hello kettle, my name is pot.....you're black.

 

[CROCODILE SEATS]

Why is Auston Matthews considered a top-ten, even top-five player already? Obviously he had an incredible rookie season, but having him rated above guys like Stamkos, Schiefele, etc is unjustified imo. I will name all the forwards I think are better than him.

(In no order)

McDavid
Stamkos
Kucherov
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin
Tarasenko
Tavares
Benn
Backstrom
Kane
Gaudreau
Schiefele
Wheeler

Just of the top of my head. In the future Matthews could pass most of these guys, but why is he already considered so great? Toronto Bias?

Why are we considering Blake Wheeler a top 10 player?

 

[BlueBaron]

I find it funny that Matthews fans compare him to Mcdavid all the time. Matthews is not on the same level as Mcdavid. I would even say it's not even close.

It's funny that you ignore the truth. It's not us making the daily threads about Matthews. It's not us who feel the need to compare them. We defend our boy, and are happy to point out his strengths but the obsession with Matthews is a Western Canadian thing. Even they do not see it, or understand their infatuation with him, but it is here for all to see.

You have a couple Leaf fans who have said Matthews is equal or better and 95+% who say McDavid is better and pretty much do not care. However there are dozens of fans obsessed with showing the world how Matthews is just a bum, an average #1 C etc. Do not pretend this is a two sided thing, do not pretend it is just friendly discussion. Some like to say they are just educating us ROFL. It's not that.

Step away from the situation for 2 seconds and try and be objective. There is a bizarre, unhealthy fascination with degrading Matthews and the Leafs and it is 99% western Canadian fans. Is that just a coincidence? Nope.

You do not see Habs fans, Sens fans, Bruins fans (except one) and only a handful of Buffalo fans going on about it, you know, our real rivals. So what is this about?

Well we can say some Oiler fans are insecure and offended that Matthews is getting some of McDavid's attention, that has to be true for some. We can say some of the Laine fan boys are bitter over the Calder loss and the growing gap between the two. Surly though there is another element to this tale.

Could it be a Toronto thing? That the media gives us more coverage? Sure that's part of it. The historical Western resentment of Central Canada that is bred into them due to political domination since the founding of our county? Surely it has a role.

Notice a trend? It's all based on irrational bullshit centred around insecurity or resentment.

I love McDavid, think he is awesome. Laine too. I do not lose sleep over not having them, I am happy that both teams got them. I do not lie about their fans, I do not write posts saying people from city X are all bad people. Why? Because this is a one sided thing. Stop making threads about our players and I bet you the comparisons stop. It's really that easy.

Sick of hearing about Matthews? STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT HIM. Less than 10% of all comparison threads and Matthews topics are made by Leaf fans, we the fan base that make up like 1/3 of the community. Normal fans are tired of, Leaf fans are tired of it, but these people aren't, they are obsessed with this process of relentless attacks.

I am not sure what their goal is, if they expect one day all Leaf fans will join hands and say "You're right, our team is shit, our players are shit and we are sorry we get more media coverage than your far more deserving players".

Are they hoping to chase us of HF? Maybe we are supposed to dump our team and become Oiler fans?

I defy you to give me one healthy, sane motive for this never ending whine/attack fest. You will be hard pressed to come up with one with any basis in reality.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Babcock is confident enough the Leafs can make the playoffs without having to play Matthews 21 minutes a night. They are one team that believes there are bigger fish to fry than trying to win the Art Ross for a single player.

I think Babcock realizes Matthews limitations. The extra ice time won't change that.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I think Babcock realizes Matthews limitations. The extra ice time won't change that.

LOL, his elite defence, his elite faceoffs, his elite scoring are limitations?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I think Babcock realizes Matthews limitations. The extra ice time won't change that.

Babcock likes to run four lines and he likes short shifts, stop making things up.

This thread should be locked it’s been discussed at length and is starting to repeat itself.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

LOL, his elite defence, his elite faceoffs, his elite scoring are limitations?

Art Ross limitations, yes.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Art Ross limitations, yes.

I guess McLellan is a bad coach for not limiting McDavid 's ice. Look at his mediocre shot and his crappy FO%.

 

[LeafFever]

Can Buffalo and Oiler fans worry about the standings? The Leafs are in the playoffs. They are not in the Dahlin cup tournament.

 

[Canadian Finn]

haven't read the 45 page thread.

if there are folks in this thread that are arguing Matthews isn't within the top 10 players in the NHL, that just means they aren't very smart.

and it isn't nice to speak down to the dumb of the world.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I think Babcock realizes Matthews limitations. The extra ice time won't change that.

There's a reason a Matthews lead team has better winning percentages than a McDavid lead one. Part of it comes from intelligent coaching.

 

[LeafFever]

Leaf (& Hab) players receive more criticism when things are going bad then small market players would.....but also get overrated by the same media & national media when things are going well. If AM played in a small market you would see virtually no discussion in the media about him a potential top 10 player.

And you would see AM getting trashed for having a career high of 24 goals, 57 points.
A lot of the viewed top players play in small markets. OEL gets a heck of a lot of credit for doing very little in Arizona.

 

[LeafFever]

Matthew is top 5 in goals per game, top 5 in even strength scoring even while missing games and is behind only Kucherov for even strength goals per 60. Just throwing that out there for interested parties.

And none of the Matthews haters will touch this post.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

so why isn't such a generational, fantastic player getting more ice time?

Because Babcock is smarter than most and realizes that having one of the deepest offenses in the league and rolling that evenly allows him to exploit the majority of teams who do not have that luxury. What makes Pittsburgh so tough? It certainly isn't their D corps. It's rolling 3 lines that can kill you. What possible point is there in loading all the guns on one line to pad Matthews offensive stats? Isn't the goal to win? Haven't the Leafs done that more with Matthews than Edmonton has with McDavid? Isn't Matthews already more productive in the minutes he plays than McDavid, everywhere except on PP? It seems to be working wonders so far.

 

[nobody]

That has what to do with Matthews?

It's an inside convo, you wouldn't understand. Sry.

 

[Hunter368]

And you would see AM getting trashed for having a career high of 24 goals, 57 points.
A lot of the viewed top players play in small markets. OEL gets a heck of a lot of credit for doing very little in Arizona.

If the Leafs & AM were as bad as the Sabres & Eichel yes they would get shredded in TO......this is what I agreed to above. If OEL played his career (not at this point perhaps) for the Leafs he would of won one or more Norris trophies already regardless of the team results.

 

[nobody]

Because Babcock is smarter than most and realizes that having one of the deepest offenses in the league and rolling that evenly allows him to exploit the majority of teams who do not have that luxury. What makes Pittsburgh so tough? It certainly isn't their D corps. It's rolling 3 lines that can kill you. What possible point is there in loading all the guns on one line to pad Matthews offensive stats? Isn't the goal to win? Haven't the Leafs done that more with Matthews than Edmonton has with McDavid? Isn't Matthews already more productive in the minutes he plays than McDavid, everywhere except on PP? It seems to be working wonders so far.

Matthews Points /60 is 3.24
McDavid Points/ 60 3.16

Matthews Point Shares (to team): 4.9 (In 9 less games played)
McDavid Point Shares (to team): 5.0


McDavid has PK time 53 minutes so far and he has 3 points. Matthews has had 1 minute on PK with 0 points.

Matthews Points/ 60 without PK: 3.25
McDavid Points/ 60 without PK: 3.15

McDavid has 127 minutes of PP time with 10 points so far. Matthews has 73 minutes of PP time with 6 points.

Matthews Points/ 60 at Even Strength: 3.01
McDavid Points/ 60 at Even Strength: 2.86

Matthews was dominating McDavid in Points/ 60 production before his injuries, tho it was a 16 game sample for both fellas.

 

[Kelly]

If the Leafs & AM were as bad as the Sabres & Eichel yes they would get shredded in TO......this is what I agreed to above. If OEL played his career (not at this point perhaps) for the Leafs he would of won one or more Norris trophies already regardless of the team results.

Which year? I seriously doubt that.

You're either overrating OEL, or overrating the effect the Toronto media has in voting for major awards, you realize the Toronto media doesn't make up a majority portion of the PHWA right?

 

[nobody]

If the Leafs & AM were as bad as the Sabres & Eichel yes they would get shredded in TO......this is what I agreed to above. If OEL played his career (not at this point perhaps) for the Leafs he would of won one or more Norris trophies already regardless of the team results.

I don't think so. OEL has been a fantastic player but there's just far too much competition for the Norris. Especially when the winners for the past 5 years are averaging an absurd 70 something odd points. OEL would've never put up remotely close numbers.

Contrary to popular belief being in TO as a good player doesn't win you personal accolades. Ask Phillip Kessel. He just got shit on for not doing more.