Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[nobody]

A team isn't made up of one player....the Leafs were winning with Matthews playing 0 minutes(when he was injured) more than the Oilers.

Can you add up the records of both teams without respective players? I read someone say that Oilers actually had a better record without McDavid than the Leafs did without Matthews.

 

[Panthaz89]

Crosby led the Penguins to dead last place his rookie season. Some teams are just bad, and not a reflection of any one player.

funny enough Crosby had 120 points his second season and only played 79 games and not even the 21 minutes per game like he had in his later seasons yet never hit that type of production over a full season again.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

funny enough Crosby had 120 points his second season and only played 79 games and not even the 21 minutes per game like he had in his later seasons yet never hit that type of production over a full season again.

7 players hit 100 points in 2006-2007. 14 players hit 90 points. It was a different NHL.

 

[Panthaz89]

I like the way you spin. Are you free to DJ my party next weekend?

show me how much of a difference TOI makes from 18+ has ever made in someones career....

 

[nobody]

funny enough Crosby had 120 points his second season and only played 79 games and not even the 21 minutes per game like he had in his later seasons yet never hit that type of production over a full season again.

Maybe because that was Crosby's peak at 120 points? Could be McDavids peak at 100 maybe? Who knows.

 

[Panthaz89]

7 players hit 100 points in 2006-2007. 14 players hit 90 points. It was a different NHL.

wasn't that much different in some other years Crosby played in basically the same era.

 

[karnige]

wasn't that much different in some other years Crosby played in basically the same era.

I think hes saying because the rule changes it helped scoring

 

[A1LeafNation]

Maybe because that was Crosby's peak at 120 points? Could be McDavids peak at 100 maybe? Who knows.

He has to reach 100 points first..

 

[bionic]

Or more chances not to score. Some players handle the extra minutes better than others.

Agreed, but we are talking about two elite players. Not some scrubs on the 4th line. The more ice time these players get the more chances they will create witch leads to more points.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Why is sliced bread considered a top-ten, even top-five invention already? Obviously its had an incredible few decades, but having it rated above things like gunpowder, oil, etc is unjustified imo. I will name all the things I think are better than it.

(In no order)

gunpowder
oil
cars
knives
the internet
apple turnovers
traffic signals
oatmeal
nintendo
the constitution
trucks
hockey
jets
the wheel

Just of the top of my head. In the future sliced bread could pass most of these things, but why is it already considered so great? Toronto Bias?

 

[The Grim Reaper]

wasn't that much different in some other years Crosby played in basically the same era.

2006-2007: 7 players hit 100 points, 14 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.52
2010-2011: 1 player hits 100 points, 5 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.61

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Is it really handling the extra minutes better if you're still losing? I guess the guy that gets more minutes doesn't have the ability to dictate the result of the game, because he's given every chance to succeed and his team is still generationally terrible.

Super angry rant here that has nothing really to do with what I said. Don't worry Matthews will get to the top 19 scorers eventually, maybe 5 or 6th year gauging by how hes handled the minutes this year so far (63rd?). Schwartz and Marchand might be able to help him out with some tips.

 

[nobody]

show me how much of a difference TOI makes from 18+ has ever made in someones career....

Okay
Evgeni Malkin Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Patrick Kane Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Jonathan Toews Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Brad Marchand Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Patrice Bergeron Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Johnny Gaudreau Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Jamie Benn Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Phil Kessel Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Claude Giroux Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Jakub Voracek Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

and there's many many more. Star players with more ice time produce more. It's not rocket science.

 

[Panthaz89]

2006-2007: 7 players hit 100 points, 14 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.52
2010-2011: 1 player hits 100 points, 5 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.61

your missing about 3 years where Crosby played...you know skipping I know he got hurt in a couple but his his pace didn't really change outside his rookie year which he obviously still had to adjust a bit.

 

[nobody]

Oilers fans are taking Ls in this thread left and right, yet still coming back for more.

 

[Panthaz89]

Okay
Evgeni Malkin Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Patrick Kane Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Jonathan Toews Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Brad Marchand Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Patrice Bergeron Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Johnny Gaudreau Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Jamie Benn Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Phil Kessel Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Claude Giroux Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Jakub Voracek Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

and there's many many more. Star players with more ice time produce more. It's not rocket science.

I only needed to look at Malkins to confirm that its not related to TOI considering he played 100 more minutes in 14-15 yet scored less points(and I doubt turning 28 changed him) not too mention even played in 9 less games. Its entirely depedant on how the player is actually playing...his only big jump is when he got first line opportunity so he played with the best line since Crosby got hurt in those years which made the big difference is who your linemates are.

 

[96]

Super angry rant here that has nothing really to do with what I said. Don't worry Matthews will get to the top 19 scorers eventually, maybe 5 or 6th year gauging by how hes handled the minutes this year so far (63rd?). Schwartz and Marchand might be able to help him out with some tips.

Don't worry McDavid will get to the playoffs eventually, maybe 5th or 6th year gauging by how hes handled the minutes this year so far (26th). Hey, at least they're climbing the standings though.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Don't worry McDavid will get to the playoffs eventually, maybe 5th or 6th year gauging by how hes handled the minutes this year so far (26th). Hey, at least they're climbing the standings though.

You probably try hard to forget last years playoffs, and understandably so.

 

[nobody]

I only needed to look at Malkins to confirm that its not related to TOI considering he played 100 more minutes in 14-15 yet scored less points(and I doubt turning 28 changed him) not too mention even played in 9 less games. Its entirely depedant on how the player is actually playing...his only big jump is when he got first line opportunity so he played with the best line since Crosby got hurt in those years which made the big difference is who your linemates are.

So you ask for proof and when I give it to you, you make yet another excuse. Spin away.

 

[Murky]

Don't worry McDavid will get to the playoffs eventually, maybe 5th or 6th year gauging by how hes handled the minutes this year so far (26th). Hey, at least they're climbing the standings though.

Erm. You might want to do a little fact checking there, mate.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Erm. You might want to do a little fact checking there, mate.

His posts are always worth a good laugh anyway.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

whyvdonyouvkeep saying except PP??? pastvi checked Matthews point per 60 is higher on the PP too.

I may have misread. Last I looked I thought McD had him in at least that category.

 

[Panthaz89]

So you ask for proof and when I give it to you, you make yet another excuse. Spin away.

K Lets look at Patrick Kane won the Hart played more minutes the next year and scored 17 less points playing a nearly a minute more ice time per game. For every instance you show of someone scoring more with ice time and I can show them scoring less.

 

[96]

Erm. You might want to do a little fact checking there, mate.

Auston looked better in round one than McDavid looked all playoffs. Sucks that we won't get to see him play there again this year.

His posts are always worth a good laugh anyway.

Literally all you do is cry in every Matthews or McDavid thread. You value an Art Ross more than making the playoffs, that really speaks volumes to the losing culture built in Edmonton. You act like the Oilers are kings of the NHL because they have McDavid, yet get shy and embarrassed when someone points you towards the standings. Look at your posts in every thread, I wouldn't talk the way you do if my team was in first place, let alone 26th. Show some humility. I'm not saying Matthews is as good as McDavid, I'd rather have him on my team though, because he is a better fit for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Lol that argument is beyond stupid playing all those minutes doesn't mean more points.......if you play more than 18 minutes or more a game that doesn't magically make you get more points otherwise defenseman could easily be leading scorers. Most of the time that means those players have to deal with fatigue throughout the game and makes their points per minute look a lot worse I'm not sure how you can construe that so badly or not understand this. If anything 18-20 minutes is the best possible amount of time you can have for a forward to get their best points otherwise they are fatigued game to game and can't play effectively to get those points.

You are correct, it doesn't automatically mean more points. It isn't a linear relationship. It does however beg the question, if one is less productive, is it wise to play you more? What is the gain? Obviously it hasn't been in the standings. Obviously it hasn't been in a better PK. Now one might argue a logical conclusion is the rest of the Oilers players just aren't as good as the rest of the Leaf players but we've been informed over and over again that this just isn't true, so I sit here puzzled.