Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[The Grim Reaper]

your missing about 3 years where Crosby played...you know skipping I know he got hurt in a couple but his his pace didn't really change outside his rookie year which he obviously still had to adjust a bit.

2005-2006: 7 players hit 100 points, 14 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.26
2006-2007: 7 players hit 100 points, 14 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.52
2007-2008: 2 players hit 100 points, 8 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.36
2008-2009: 3 players hit 100 points, 7 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.34
2009-2010: 4 players hit 100 points, 7 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.35
2010-2011: 1 player hits 100 points, 5 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.61
2011-2012: 1 player hits 100 points, 3 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.68
2012-2013: 1 player hits 100 points, 3 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.61
2014-2015: 0 players hit 100 points, 0 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.09
2015-2016: 1 player hits 100 points, 0 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.05
2016-2017: 1 player hits 100 points, 0 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.19

2005-2010 was definitely a different era than 2010-current. Scoring is much more difficult now.

 

[Panthaz89]

You are correct, it doesn't automatically mean more points. It isn't a linear relationship. It does however beg the question, if one is less productive, is it wise to play you more? What is the gain? Obviously it hasn't been in the standings. Obviously it hasn't been in a better PK. Now one might argue a logical conclusion is the rest of the Oilers players just aren't as good as the rest of the Leaf players but we've been informed over and over again that this just isn't true, so I sit here puzzled.

You've been told wrong...Leafs can score regularly with their depth while the Oilers cannot...even my Sabres took a game from them already and they were playing their worst hockey of the season at the time(which was beyond awful).

 

[Murky]

Auston looked better in round one than McDavid looked all playoffs. Sucks that we won't get to see him play there again this year.

Yet, McDavid clearly was there, contrary to what you suggested.

I am starting to think that the fact checking that I proposed might not help you.

 

[Panthaz89]

2005-2006: 7 players hit 100 points, 14 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.26
2006-2007: 7 players hit 100 points, 14 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.52
2007-2008: 2 players hit 100 points, 8 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.36
2008-2009: 3 players hit 100 points, 7 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.34
2009-2010: 4 players hit 100 points, 7 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.35
2010-2011: 1 player hits 100 points, 5 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.61
2011-2012: 1 player hits 100 points, 3 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.68
2012-2013: 1 player hits 100 points, 3 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.61
2014-2015: 0 players hit 100 points, 0 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.09
2015-2016: 1 player hits 100 points, 0 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.05
2016-2017: 1 player hits 100 points, 0 players hit 90 points. Crosby PPG: 1.19

2005-2010 was definitely a different era than 2010-current. Scoring is much more difficult now.

I didn't say it was I was just saying Crosby didn't change that much in production during those years(06-10) regardless of ice time though his 120 point season is still crazy no matter how you look at it even during that time and he didn't minute hoard which was my original point. The original point was that beyond 18+ minutes more ice time didn't necessarily mean an increase in point production.

 

[Space Coyote]

His posts are always worth a good laugh anyway.

It's funny this coming from you.

 

[Gerard]

Matthews is being touted for his age moreso than his skills, and I think that is where the overrated part comes in. No Matthews is not overrated in terms of his skill but he is in terms of where he ranks in top 10-15-20 on this website.

Guys have put up better numbers in worse or even situations for a lot longer than Matthews has in his short career thus far. What, if a young center comes out next season and scores 85 in his rookie year, is he better because hes younger and scored more than Matthews in his rookie year? probably not.

Matthews will be a top 3-5 player for a long time but he isnt yet. Hes a top 20 player who will be top 10 in 2-3 seasons

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

You've been told wrong...Leafs can score regularly with their depth while the Oilers cannot...even my Sabres took a game from them already and they were playing their worst hockey of the season at the time(which was beyond awful).

Easy for a Sabres fan to say. Amazingly difficult for any Oilers fan to say.....

 

[BruinLVGA]

It's funny that you ignore the truth. It's not us making the daily threads about Matthews. It's not us who feel the need to compare them. We defend our boy, and are happy to point out his strengths but the obsession with Matthews is a Western Canadian thing. Even they do not see it, or understand their infatuation with him, but it is here for all to see.

You have a couple Leaf fans who have said Matthews is equal or better and 95+% who say McDavid is better and pretty much do not care. However there are dozens of fans obsessed with showing the world how Matthews is just a bum, an average #1 C etc. Do not pretend this is a two sided thing, do not pretend it is just friendly discussion. Some like to say they are just educating us ROFL. It's not that.

Step away from the situation for 2 seconds and try and be objective. There is a bizarre, unhealthy fascination with degrading Matthews and the Leafs and it is 99% western Canadian fans. Is that just a coincidence? Nope.

You do not see Habs fans, Sens fans, Bruins fans (except one) and only a handful of Buffalo fans going on about it, you know, our real rivals. So what is this about?

Well we can say some Oiler fans are insecure and offended that Matthews is getting some of McDavid's attention, that has to be true for some. We can say some of the Laine fan boys are bitter over the Calder loss and the growing gap between the two. Surly though there is another element to this tale.

Could it be a Toronto thing? That the media gives us more coverage? Sure that's part of it. The historical Western resentment of Central Canada that is bred into them due to political domination since the founding of our county? Surely it has a role.

Notice a trend? It's all based on irrational bull**** centred around insecurity or resentment.

I love McDavid, think he is awesome. Laine too. I do not lose sleep over not having them, I am happy that both teams got them. I do not lie about their fans, I do not write posts saying people from city X are all bad people. Why? Because this is a one sided thing. Stop making threads about our players and I bet you the comparisons stop. It's really that easy.

Sick of hearing about Matthews? STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT HIM. Less than 10% of all comparison threads and Matthews topics are made by Leaf fans, we the fan base that make up like 1/3 of the community. Normal fans are tired of, Leaf fans are tired of it, but these people aren't, they are obsessed with this process of relentless attacks.

I am not sure what their goal is, if they expect one day all Leaf fans will join hands and say "You're right, our team is ****, our players are **** and we are sorry we get more media coverage than your far more deserving players".

Are they hoping to chase us of HF? Maybe we are supposed to dump our team and become Oiler fans?

I defy you to give me one healthy, sane motive for this never ending whine/attack fest. You will be hard pressed to come up with one with any basis in reality.

Please put a summary next time.

 

[Matte99]

Because he is a pretty nifty player!

 

[BlueBaron]

I think the benefits of extra ice time are being misrepresented here. I think absolutely any player given more ice time is going to score more. It sort of boils down to the teams situation. Is a tired player x still better than the next option? I think it is safe to say McDavid 25% reduced is still better than the next guy, a 25% reduced Matthews? Kadri might be a better option, depth or lack of it plays a part.

The other factor with fatigue which is usually more profound, defensive cost. Tired players make more mistakes and give up more goals, the difference between the Leafs and the Oilers is if you need a goal they rely much more heavily on a couple guys. The Leafs have scored 22 more goals than the Oilers this season, while giving up 10 fewer. That paints a totally different team dynamic.

Another thing to consider is development. We're still developing 8 guys or so right now so ice time is perhaps a little more spread out for the benefit of the team long term. Winning for the Oilers appears to be a far bigger concern.

If Matthews played 2 more minutes a game he would certainly score more but would it be worth it? Maybe it is better to slowly ease his time up over time and also have him more fresh for the playoffs? McDavid dropped from his staggering pace of 1.22 points a game to .69 in the playoffs. Auston went from .84 to .83. Could fatigue have played a factor in this?

Next year when/if (probably when) Bozak is gone and Nylander is eased into C it is almost certain his time is going to jump, no need for it now.

Points never tell the whole story. Our system from a team stand point seems to be working better and Matthews is still developing just fine. The Oilers putting the weight of the world on McDavid right out of the gate has yielded mixed results. It certainly cost them more when contract time came up.

The teams are in different situations, obviously ice time difference affects their points though, how much or little is anyone's guess.

 

[Dzonna]

Because he just is. I guess people have eyes, and use them sometimes

 

[BlueBaron]

Please put a summary next time.

How about you just skip it? No one is making you read my posts.

Here's a hint though, you're the 1 Boston Bruins fan.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I think the benefits of extra ice time are being misrepresented here. I think absolutely any player given more ice time is going to score more. It sort of boils down to the teams situation. Is a tired player x still better than the next option? I think it is safe to say McDavid 25% reduced is still better than the next guy, a 25% reduced Matthews? Kadri might be a better option, depth or lack of it plays a part.

The other factor with fatigue which is usually more profound, defensive cost. Tired players make more mistakes and give up more goals, the difference between the Leafs and the Oilers is if you need a goal they rely much more heavily on a couple guys. The Leafs have scored 22 more goals than the Oilers this season, while giving up 10 fewer. That paints a totally different team dynamic.

Another thing to consider is development. We're still developing 8 guys or so right now so ice time is perhaps a little more spread out for the benefit of the team long term. Winning for the Oilers appears to be a far bigger concern.

If Matthews played 2 more minutes a game he would certainly score more but would it be worth it? Maybe it is better to slowly ease his time up over time and also have him more fresh than the playoffs? McDavid dropped from his staggering pace of 1.22 points a game to .69 in the playoffs. Auston went from .84 to .83. Could fatigue have played a factor in this?

Next year when/if (probably when) Bozak is gone and Nylander is eased into C it is almost certain his time is going to jump, no need for it now.

Points never tell the whole story. Our system from a team stand point seems to be working better and Matthews is still developing just fine. The Oilers putting the weight of the world on McDavid right out of the gate has yielded mixed results. It certainly cost them more when contract time came up.

The teams are in different situations, obviously ice time difference affects their points though, how much or little is anyone's guess.

Very well reasoned, logical post. The bolded gets at some of what I mentioned earlier re benefits. It's great to pad your stats to win an award but what good is that if when money time comes, you fall to the level of production of Palat. Perreault, Okposo and your team has basically no one else to rely on?

 

[BruinLVGA]

And none of the Matthews haters will touch this post.

NHL.com - Stats

Top 10 player also includes top defensemen & goalies.

It's not a matter of "hating", it's a matter that being in the top 10 in the NHL including every position, it's not a realistic assessment for Matthews, NOW. But he has all the tools to get there sooner than later. For the record, I think he will get there.

 

[BruinLVGA]

How about you just skip it? No one is making you read my posts.

Here's a hint though, you're the 1 Boston Bruins fan.

No sense of humor, whatsoever.

 

[BlueBaron]

No sense of humor, whatsoever.

Humour does not always come across in text, if that was your intention, my bad. Thanks for reading.

 

[Panthaz89]

I think the benefits of extra ice time are being misrepresented here. I think absolutely any player given more ice time is going to score more. It sort of boils down to the teams situation. Is a tired player x still better than the next option? I think it is safe to say McDavid 25% reduced is still better than the next guy, a 25% reduced Matthews? Kadri might be a better option, depth or lack of it plays a part.

The other factor with fatigue which is usually more profound, defensive cost. Tired players make more mistakes and give up more goals, the difference between the Leafs and the Oilers is if you need a goal they rely much more heavily on a couple guys. The Leafs have scored 22 more goals than the Oilers this season, while giving up 10 fewer. That paints a totally different team dynamic.

Another thing to consider is development. We're still developing 8 guys or so right now so ice time is perhaps a little more spread out for the benefit of the team long term. Winning for the Oilers appears to be a far bigger concern.

If Matthews played 2 more minutes a game he would certainly score more but would it be worth it? Maybe it is better to slowly ease his time up over time and also have him more fresh for the playoffs? McDavid dropped from his staggering pace of 1.22 points a game to .69 in the playoffs. Auston went from .84 to .83. Could fatigue have played a factor in this?

Next year when/if (probably when) Bozak is gone and Nylander is eased into C it is almost certain his time is going to jump, no need for it now.

Points never tell the whole story. Our system from a team stand point seems to be working better and Matthews is still developing just fine. The Oilers putting the weight of the world on McDavid right out of the gate has yielded mixed results. It certainly cost them more when contract time came up.

The teams are in different situations, obviously ice time difference affects their points though, how much or little is anyone's guess.

There is no doubt that ice time gets more points but to me it seems as if 18+ minutes is really the standing point unless you have a player who doesn't get tired from it. If there is a point increase it literally isn't noticeable and inconsistent as guys who played full seasons and have over a minute extra playing 82 games have seen a point decrease(obviously not in their 30s because then it could be the age factor). Though getting more PP time I think is a much better argument than the P/60 that I was originally replying to as its difficult to maintain that pace if you are playing 20+ minutes a game.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Humour does not always come across in text, if that was your intention, my bad. Thanks for reading.

I thought it was obvious that it was humor...

 

[Auston Marlander]

This is still a thread? Man the obsession around this place is incredible!

Matthews will be, without a doubt the most posted about player by time he retires.

 

[nobody]

K Lets look at Patrick Kane won the Hart played more minutes the next year and scored 17 less points playing a nearly a minute more ice time per game. For every instance you show of someone scoring more with ice time and I can show them scoring less.

So can we agree there's no correlation to ice time one way or another then? Awesome. Your point was as wrong as my point!

 

[Hunter368]

Matthews will be, without a doubt the most posted about player by time he retires.

1st OA selected by the Leafs (largest fan base) in a great draft......three factors that would lead to frequent posts.....no one should be surprised tbh.

 

[Auston Marlander]

1st OA selected by the Leafs (largest fan base) in a great draft......three factors that would lead to frequent posts.....no one should be surprised tbh.

Not surprised Leaf fans post about him, but the hordes the flock to all Matthews threads is insane.

I guess that what comes with being a Leaf, any other team and it wouldn't be half as much I guess.

 

[Hunter368]

Not surprised Leaf fans post about him, but the hordes the flock to all Matthews threads is insane.

I guess that what comes with being a Leaf, any other team and it wouldn't be half as much I guess.

Hyperbole not required

AM was 1st OA, selected by Leafs (which has largest fan base), selected in a great draft. What else would anyone expect? Leaf fans and just general hockey fans will want to post about him, ask questions, analyze his performance, etc, etc. No difference then McDavid, except the Leaf fan base is much larger which will lead to more posts/threads. Of course this will lead to “some” questionable posting by all parties. None of this is surprising or unusual unless your new to the forum.

 

[ole ole]

This is still a thread? Man the obsession around this place is incredible!

Matthews will be, without a doubt the most posted about player by time he retires.

Wouldn't have anything to do with Leaf fans EH.

 

[Ctrain2k]

No one considers him top 10 other than leafs fans which unfortunately makes up a large portion here.