Value of: Mat Barzal

impaaaaaact

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Barzal
Dobson

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This is intriguing, gives us a handedness mismatch on D but it’s not the worst problem in the world

:stars
Robertson + Harley

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Barzal + Dobson

Robertson and Dallas supposedly far apart on contract negotiations- Dallas finally resolves their RD hole.

I have no idea whether this actually works for NYI.
Same here
 

icelander25

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keep Barzal and when he returns move him back to center - let Roy figure out the linemates

get best available package for Nelson and Palmieri , extend Tsyplakov and perhaps see what you have in XYZ from the farm to finish off the season
This is the move. No overreacting during the season, just sell the pending UFA’s. Barzal and Dobson moves only happen in the off-season anyways
 

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If there are Vancouver fans out there, here's a hockey trade to consider instead of a futures trade. This assumes everyone is healthy and players would extend:

Barzal, Cizikas, Wahlstrom and Maggio or Bolduc (so you can decide if you want a W prospect or a D prospect)

for

Boeser, Garland and Sherwood
 

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If there are Vancouver fans out there, here's a hockey trade to consider instead of a futures trade. This assumes everyone is healthy and players would extend:

Barzal, Cizikas, Wahlstrom and Maggio or Bolduc (so you can decide if you want a W prospect or a D prospect)

for

Boeser, Garland and Sherwood
But I wanted Boeser with Barzal, when he was wanted out from Vancouver.
 

qc14

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He's not quite good enough and makes too much money IMO for a contender to want to package other parts to upgrade for (a la Tkachuk to Florida) and is definitely nowhere near a distressed enough asset for more of a pure cap move (PLD to Washington). NHL teams are also not bold enough to do a pure star-for-star trade that you'd probably hope for. That leaves basically just the non-playoff teams hoping to make it in. Think you're probably looking at something similar to the Sergachev deal in the summer, maybe a little bit more as I think Barzal's reputation is still higher than Sergachev's.

Barzal to Seattle for Wright, Gourde, and Burakovsky
Barzal to Buffalo for Cozens, choice of Kulich/Ostlund/Helenius, 25 1st
Barzal to Utah for Macelli, choice of But or Simashev, Hayton

Don't see any other fit really
 

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He's not quite good enough and makes too much money IMO for a contender to want to package other parts to upgrade for (a la Tkachuk to Florida) and is definitely nowhere near a distressed enough asset for more of a pure cap move (PLD to Washington). NHL teams are also not bold enough to do a pure star-for-star trade that you'd probably hope for. That leaves basically just the non-playoff teams hoping to make it in. Think you're probably looking at something similar to the Sergachev deal in the summer, maybe a little bit more as I think Barzal's reputation is still higher than Sergachev's.

Barzal to Seattle for Wright, Gourde, and Burakovsky
Barzal to Buffalo for Cozens, choice of Kulich/Ostlund/Helenius, 25 1st
Barzal to Utah for Macelli, choice of But or Simashev, Hayton

Don't see any other fit really
Don’t like any of those really, but it’d have to be with the Sabres but not for Cozens, don’t like his contract at all. Probably includes Byram or Power, but personally I only do it if Power is involved. Moves one of the Sabres too many LHD, and gets a quality top end forward, and the Isles get a bonafide top pair player.
 

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Don’t like any of those really, but it’d have to be with the Sabres but not for Cozens, don’t like his contract at all. Probably includes Byram or Power, but personally I only do it if Power is involved. Moves one of the Sabres too many LHD, and gets a quality top end forward, and the Isles get a bonafide top pair player.
I don't like Cozens' contract either but the reality of the NHL is you'd have to take back significant money in any deal. Not sure I'd do Power for Barzal if I was Buffalo -- feel like it doesn't really get them anywhere
 

icelander25

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I don't like Cozens' contract either but the reality of the NHL is you'd have to take back significant money in any deal. Not sure I'd do Power for Barzal if I was Buffalo -- feel like it doesn't really get them anywhere
Idk maybe the Isles add a young player and the Sabres add another contract, but in reality its exactly what the Sabres need. They need prime scoring players. People will say to add veterans because they have too many young guys in their lineup, but if you get a player in his prime, he can carry the load and let young players develop just as much. It's obviously more expensive than getting another veteran ufa, but if the team wants to go anywhere they'll need something like this. In fact the Isles should probably be adding forwards to their team, but for this type of deal it helps get the timing of the team down instead of the core being of all ages.
 

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:stars
Robertson + Harley

:isles
Barzal + Dobson

Robertson and Dallas supposedly far apart on contract negotiations- Dallas finally resolves their RD hole.

I have no idea whether this actually works for NYI.
This is a very intriguing proposal. I’m really interested in what people say to this. I’m not a fan of either, but to me this might work/make sense.
 
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This is a very intriguing proposal. I’m really interested in what people say to this. I’m not a fan of either, but to me this might work/make sense.
Not trying to split hairs because I think it’s close… but Isles are trading a center (although he played wing last season) and a first pairing RHD for a winger and an LHD. I know Robertson has the 40 goal seasons and call me crazy but I think there’s a small add from Dallas here. That being said, it’s definitely intriguing
 
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This is a very intriguing proposal. I’m really interested in what people say to this. I’m not a fan of either, but to me this might work/make sense.
I think it’s is very good proposal. Shocking equal value for this board. Harley is a better defender and Robertson is a better goal scorer. Barzal is a much faster compared to Robertson and he is center compared to winger. Dobson is a RHD compared to Harley being LHD. So value on both sides.

Dallas is also getting older and more expensive. All in all very equal trade. That being said neither GM would pull the trigger on this.
 

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Not trying to split hairs because I think it’s close… but Isles are trading a center (although he played wing last season) and a first pairing RHD for a winger and an LHD. I know Robertson has the 40 goal seasons and call me crazy but I think there’s a small add from Dallas here. That being said, it’s definitely intriguing
I can see that…especially with concerns over Robo’s goal decline the past few years. Not sure if it’s injury related or not. But wouldn’t argue against Dallas adding.
 
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Not trying to split hairs because I think it’s close… but Isles are trading a center (although he played wing last season) and a first pairing RHD for a winger and an LHD. I know Robertson has the 40 goal seasons and call me crazy but I think there’s a small add from Dallas here. That being said, it’s definitely intriguing
Come on now. Robertson scored 110 points and finished 4th in Hart voting two years ago. Robertson's "down" year last year was just as productive with better underlying metrics as Barzal's "resurgence"
 

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I'd be super interested if I was Habs GM.

Problem is both teams aren't good trading partners.

Islanders needs forwards and MTL too...
 

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Come on now. Robertson scored 110 points and finished 4th in Hart voting two years ago. Robertson's "down" year last year was just as productive with better underlying metrics as Barzal's "resurgence"
Yes, and he's off to another very non 40 goal 110 point pace this season. Barzal didn't have a resurgence, he got a new coach and wasn't playing with third liners for the first time in his career. He's been about as consistent as it comes, although I understand why people who are looking at the scoresheets would think otherwise. And he can play C. Dobson without question out values Harley. So like I said it's intriguing, it's close and I'd prefer to see a small add from Dallas.
 
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Love Moore but with him and Rinzel it’s just rights and they could both theoretically decide not to sign.

I change Nazar because he’s closet to NHL ready and signed already.
 

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This is a very intriguing proposal. I’m really interested in what people say to this. I’m not a fan of either, but to me this might work/make sense.
As an isles fan I think it’s actually an interesting and fair trade value wise. I’m ridiculously High on Harley as I am Dobson.

Robertson is a legit sniper that could play with Horvat and is young enough to play with an eventual young center.

Barzal is a wizard with the puck and imo a top3 skater in the league with and without the puck. He needs to be in an offensive system that he can be creative. He’s a great playmaker and passer but more often than not he feeds his teammates and they don’t finish.

The irony is Robertson and Barzal would be a match made in heaven playing together.

I’m not sure either team would
So this but it’s certainly a “hockey trade”
That would shake up both teams.
 
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Yes, and he's off to another very non 40 goal 110 point pace this season. Barzal didn't have a resurgence, he got a new coach and wasn't playing with third liners for the first time in his career. He's been about as consistent as it comes, although I understand why people who are looking at the scoresheets would think otherwise. And he can play C. Dobson without question out values Harley. So like I said it's intriguing, it's close and I'd prefer to see a small add from Dallas.
Let’s not go that far. It is not without question he out values Harley. In fact the only positive from a Dallas perspective is Dobson is a righty and would balance out Dallas’ defense. I would not add to the Dallas side. It evens out with the difference between barzal and Robertson.

Lets also not act like a 25 year old is in a massive decline. Especially when that decline is still at barzal’s level. Robertson is more valuable as he can get to 40+ goals. His 29 last year is more than any season of barzal.
 

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