Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[karnige]

when mcdavid comes anywhere near 40 goals or contends for the rocket trophy see me.

yeah being #1 in points and having your peers vote you the league MVP is sure the same as almost winning the rocket but not winning it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Look at who Crosby and Malkin have played with throughout their careers.

Not sure how Crosby and Malkin are relevant to a discussion about Matthews, but sure OK lets do that.

here are some of the names

James Neal
Marian Hossa
Phil Kessel
Bill Geruin
The best Version of Ryan Malone
Conor Sheary
Jake Guntzel
Ziggy Palffy
Mario Lemieux
Chris Kunitz

Literally every player on this list is, or was at the time they played for the pens better than Hyman, at least offensively and with the possible exception of Kunitz defensively as well.

Whatever point you thought you had you don't

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Whatever point you thought you had you don't

Why did you only list the good ones? No love for Colby Armstrong, Michel Ouellet, Nils Ekman, Craig Adams, Tanner Glass, Erik Christensen, Pascal Dupuis, Miroslav Satan...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why did you only list the good ones? No love for Colby Armstrong, Michel Ouellet, Nils Ekman, Craig Adams, Tanner Glass, Erik Christensen, Pascal Dupuis, Miroslav Satan...

You know what you are absolutely right, I should have included Satan, Dupuis and Armstrong as all 3 even if they aren't great were still better than Hyman, at least offensively when they played for the pens.

Point is the VAST majority of the wingers that both Crosby and Malkin have had are superior, at least offensively to Hyman, so again whatever point you thought you had, you don't have even if there are a few poor options, the good far outweighs the bad

 

[BlueBaron]

Leaf fans, I think we have been taking these guys the wrong way and way too seriously.

Remember how in public school when a kid liked a girl he would pull her hair, or shove her and other clumsy efforts at romantic expression? Well that is what we have going on between some of the Western Canadian fans and our boy Auston and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

How else do you explain them starting a Matthews thread almost every day? Countless comparison threads? Endless insertion into any thread to do with the Leafs? Just now a Jets fan in an Islander thread had to complain it was not a Leaf thread. While he was trying to make it seem like a slight against us, (it is his fellow Jet and Oiler fans who start most of them) deep down I think he must have been expressing his true feelings. Why else derail a thread to bring up the Leafs? I see no other explanation but an inability to properly express their true feelings like adults do, it must be love.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

You know what you are absolutely right, I should have included Satan, Dupuis and Armstrong as all 3 even if they aren't great were still better than Hyman, at least offensively when they played for the pens.

Point is the VAST majority of the wingers that both Crosby and Malkin have had are superior, at least offensively to Hyman, so again whatever point you thought you had, you don't have even if there are a few poor options, the good far outweighs the bad

My point was that Crosby and Malkin have always made those around them better. Whereas, Matthews hasn't learned how to do that yet. When he does, that's when he'll be in the top 10.

 

[Craig Button]

Oiler fans sure love talking about Matthews.

Maybe it's because McDavid is a big Leaf fan.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Oiler fans sure love talking about Matthews.

Maybe it's because McDavid is a big Leaf fan.

Probably because both fan bases have a young elite player.

 

[Halla]

when matthews wins a hart and ross and cracks 100 points come see me

come see me when Mcdavid gets 40 or sets an NHL record. would throw in Calder as well but thats obviously not possible

 

[joe dirte]

Look at who Crosby and Malkin have played with throughout their careers.

crosny and malkin, while playing on seperate lines for the most part, have always gotten a portion of their ntime together. and a lot of PP time together.

 

[Willy Styles]

I love how involved oilers fans are in discussions about Matthews.

I love the insecurity. If McDavid is so much better than Matthews why do you spend every living day trying to prove your point? I’m pretty sure you guys talk about Matthews more than your own golden boy.

Oilers are so trash they aren’t competetive with the best player in a decade, what a joke of an organization.

 

[Liferleafer]

I love y'all Leaf Fans when you bring up ES goals.... you guys never bring it up when discussing your Superstar winger in Nylander and his INSANE rookie season do you?

Did Nylander steal your dog or something? This is like the 3rd thread i have read where you are ragging on Nylander....

 

[BruinLVGA]

58 goals in 114 games . Gretzky 2.0 only has 2 extra goals in an extra 54 games.

too bad matthews got hurt. his 82 games pace for this year is 46g/82pts/+41.

at this point its silly to even question why he is one of the best in the league

Again with this...

Why, when talking production, do you have this fixation on ONLY goals? It’s like eating a whole multi-course meal at a top restaurant and deeming it one of the best in the world only for the quality of the dessert.
According to your logic, Brad Marchand in 15-16 was one of the best players in the league because he had the league’s 6th best goals (37). Never mind he was 40th in points totals (61). Does this make sense to you? To me it does not.

If you want to talk production, the big Kahuna is points TOTALS. And if one looks at that, the picture is a bit different.
Here: NHL.com - Stats (even if you look at ppg, so taking into account games played, he is 23rd since entering the league and 22nd this year)

And then add to all this that this thread is about whether “Matthews is considered a top 10 player” (emphasis on “player”. Not “center”, not even “forward”, but “player”) in the league, as of now.
Add in the league’s top defensemen (Doughty, Burns, Karlsson, Hedman, etc etc) and the top goalies (Vasilevsky, Bobrovsky, Rinne, etc etc) and Matthews - a great player that can only get better as time goes by - isn’t a top 10 player in the league. How difficult is this to understand? It seems most Leafs fans in this very thread are at peace with that by now. You are the one not up to speed yet.

 

[Jackson14]

Someone has to play defence on that line!!

General consensus is Auston is phenomenal in his own zone so this comment leads me to believe you don't actually watch him play.

 

[BlueBaron]

Probably because both fan bases have a young elite player.

If that were the case you would probably spread the love around a little. I don't see the same kind of effort going to any other young star.

 

[stampedingviking]

Oh wow surprise surprise. The only people in this thread saying he’s not a top 10 player are the same ones who have a clear agenda against the leafs and Matthews, like the sabres fan who cherry picked stats to somehow prove Eichel was better (LOL), and the oilers fan who basically was cheering when Matthews was concussed. Some of you really really need to grow up and appreciate what he does on the ice and for the game as a whole. The NHL is a better league with Austin Mathews, and he is absolutely a top 10 player based on his overall game and what he brings to the ice every night. The guy is even surpassing his pace from last year when he scored 40 as a rookie.. I don’t know what else the kid could do besides win a cup.

/rant.

Oh wow, the only ones saying he's absolutely top 10 are Leafs homers, some of you need to grow up and watch other teams besides yours.

He's definately not top 10 ywt but in a couple of years he will be.

 

[stampedingviking]

The subject of this thread, Ok, Matthews scored last night giving him 32 points in 32 games....a better pace than his rookie season....all while playing games post concussion as well as post ankle injury....not bad right?

Tbe reason we may not be talking about the theme of this thread is because the intent of it is quite clear. The reason some bring up the Oilers is because it's an Oilers fan who started this stupid thread.

But Eichel is dismissed by Leafs fans for last year's performance after a significantly worse injury and playing just as well if not better.

Hypocrites!

 

[stampedingviking]

I honestly don't know what you're trying to prove here but majority of the Leafs fans didn't expect McDavid. The Leafs as a franchise have had absolutely **** luck for ever and ever and most Leafs fans are way too reserved to get their hopes up. The most Leafy thing about that draft was to find out that the Leafs were on of the last teams in contention to draw the McDavid lottery ball. That was what irritated most of us but again we didn't get too worked up because well, that's just how it had gone for us in Leaf land.

If you want to talk about Leafs fans being down in the dumps, go check out the lottery draw for Matthews. Most fans including myself were just praying we would stay in the top 3. Again, it's sad to think about when you have the best odds, but with the Leafs luck 20% odds is as good as 2%. Also, Toronto did deserve a break with a lottery pick. Unlike Edmonton, we had been mediocre without having been rewarded 3 1sts already by that point. It sucks when you're bad for so long and have nothing to show for it. I'm sure Oilers fans can relate.

Lastly, go watch the lottery draw. Go enjoy the excitement that it brought to McDavid knowing he was going to Edmonton. The biggest fan base that I felt true pity for that day was the Sabres. They did everything in their powers to tank and get the best odds and they got shafted by the Oilers (lottery champions). I'm not sure what the Oilers good luck charm is for all those lottery wins but it's impressive.

I don't think there has been a single team in NHL history to have a span of 10 seasons of consistently high picks without any sort of results. It's quite impressive how much talent the Oilers have drafted in 10 consecutive seasons.

6th overall 2007 Gagner
22nd overall 2008 Eberle
10th overall 2009 MPS
1st overall 2010 Hall
1st overall 2011 RNH
1st overall 2012 Yakupov
7th overall 2013 Nurse
3rd overall 2014 Draisaitl
1st overall 2015 McDavid
4th overall 2016 Puljujarvi

Eberle - McDavid - Hall
Puljujarvi - Draisaitl - Yakupov
Gagner - RNH - MPS

Nurse -

Impressive.

That has what to do with Matthews?

 

[stampedingviking]

They must also understand that McDavid is outside top 10 in PPG, and is barely top 10 in scoring despite having played every single game. For what McDavid was represented to be, I’m sure Oilers fans also understand that the Next Gretzky should be sitting at 60 points and 1st in scoring right now, and instead to sit barely in top 10 scoring and 13th in PPG is inexcusable for the supposed Next Gretzky. No Oilers fan could be happy with that. That is some serious underperformance.

Playing less games with a higher ppg doesn't necessarily mean that level would have been the same with more games played, less games inflates ppg.

 

[stampedingviking]

Last night:

Mcdavid: 24:04
Matthews: 16:48

And this happens fairly regularly. I really do wish we'd see what Matthews could do if he got ice time like Connor (I am not slagging Connor AT ALL, just wish Matthews received the same amount of opportunity).

so why isn't such a generational, fantastic player getting more ice time?

 

[stampedingviking]

it's hilarious watching oilers fans struggle with Matthews being better at mist parts of the game.

I'm sure they are laughing at such a stupid post

 

[stampedingviking]

I love how involved oilers fans are in discussions about Matthews.

I love the insecurity. If McDavid is so much better than Matthews why do you spend every living day trying to prove your point? I’m pretty sure you guys talk about Matthews more than your own golden boy.

Oilers are so trash they aren’t competetive with the best player in a decade, what a joke of an organization.

Replying to homer Leafs fans who think Matthews is the best thing since sliced bread and have to attack any other fan base who has a good, young player?

 

[12345678910]

so why isn't such a generational, fantastic player getting more ice time?

Because Babs.

See how he operates those Olympic teams for starters.

Sid didn't play 24m.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

Why are these western team hockey fans so concerned about Matthews all the time? I just don't get the fascination.

 

[joe dirte]

Replying to homer Leafs fans who think Matthews is the best thing since sliced bread and have to attack any other fan base who has a good, young player?

the irony.

thisvwas started by an oilers fan.