Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[joe dirte]

Which puts him around top 15-20.

yeah totally 40 goal scorers are a dime a dozen.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Which puts him around top 15-20.

sure if you go purely based on his spot in the scoring race, but if we did that then Kessel was a top 10 NHL player when he was a Leaf because he was top 10 in scoring 3 times, yet nobody would have called him a top 10 guy.

If Matthews scored 40+ goals and is a PPG or better, despite playing 10 games fewer than anyone else he deserves to be in the top 10 player, espically when you consider he is only 20

 

[Halla]

58 goals in 114 games . Gretzky 2.0 only has 2 extra goals in an extra 54 games.

too bad matthews got hurt. his 82 games pace for this year is 46g/82pts/+41.

at this point its silly to even question why he is one of the best in the league

 

[Halla]

Which puts him around top 15-20.

ahh no he was 2nd in goals. 1st in ES. no player in the league has more ES goals then him since he came in (and he has missed 10 games). thats isnt 15-20 bud

 

[The Grim Reaper]

ahh no he was 2nd in goals. 1st in ES. no player in the league has more ES goals then him since he came in (and he has missed 10 games). thats isnt 15-20 bud

It is when he can't crack more than 30 assists.

 

[besser]

ahh no he was 2nd in goals. 1st in ES. no player in the league has more ES goals then him since he came in (and he has missed 10 games). thats isnt 15-20 bud

I love y'all Leaf Fans when you bring up ES goals.... you guys never bring it up when discussing your Superstar winger in Nylander and his INSANE rookie season do you?

 

[nobody]

I love y'all Leaf Fans when you bring up ES goals.... you guys never bring it up when discussing your Superstar winger in Nylander and his INSANE rookie season do you?

Willie isn't a superstar yet, he also isn't a big scorer. He has a hell of a shot but he doesn't use it much. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. What made Willie's season so spectacular last season was that he was struggling earlier on and ended up spending a good chunk of time on the 4th line and he made his way up the lineup to Matthews' wing and started putting up near PPG numbers for a couple months straight. He tailed off towards the end of the season but his strong performance for the middle part of the season was impressive. No Leafs fan is going to brag about Willie's goal scoring. Silly Besser

I don't think Canucks fans should be trying to down play Willie since a vast majority of them were drooling about him all of last season. Their out of town thread last season was a treat for me. I've never seen any fanbase give so much love to Leafs players. On the flip side though, I'm glad Virtanen is stick around town full time now. He's a great kid and deserves to be in the NHL!

I also hope the Leafs kick the shit out of the Canucks tomorrow. Return the favour for the undeserved win Canucks had last time we faced them.

 

[Halla]

It is when he can't crack more than 30 assists.

and Mcdavid doesnt look like he can crack more than 30g so should we give him the same treatment?

 

[besser]

Willie isn't a superstar yet, he also isn't a big scorer. He has a hell of a shot but he doesn't use it much. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. What made Willie's season so spectacular last season was that he was struggling earlier on and ended up spending a good chunk of time on the 4th line and he made his way up the lineup to Matthews' wing and started putting up near PPG numbers for a couple months straight. He tailed off towards the end of the season but his strong performance for the middle part of the season was impressive. No Leafs fan is going to brag about Willie's goal scoring. Silly Besser

I don't think Canucks fans should be trying to down play Willie since a vast majority of them were drooling about him all of last season. Their out of town thread last season was a treat for me. I've never seen any fanbase give so much love to Leafs players. On the flip side though, I'm glad Virtanen is stick around town full time now. He's a great kid and deserves to be in the NHL!

I also hope the Leafs kick the **** out of the Canucks tomorrow. Return the favour for the undeserved win Canucks had last time we faced them.

I hope you guys win too, our team is crap and Leafs have some nice pieces so hopefully you guys don't lose! Lets hope Boeser doesn't light up Top 3 goalie in the world Andersen now though

 

[The Grim Reaper]

and Mcdavid doesnt look like he can crack more than 30g so should we give him the same treatment?

If McDavid never achieved higher than #20 in scoring, yes. However, we know he has.

 

[nobody]

I hope you guys win too, our team is crap and Leafs have some nice pieces so hopefully you guys don't lose! Lets hope Boeser doesn't light up Top 3 goalie in the world Andersen now though

He's been lucky so far this season, what's to say he won't be lucky again?

 

[karnige]

and Mcdavid doesnt look like he can crack more than 30g so should we give him the same treatment?

when matthews wins a hart and ross and cracks 100 points come see me

 

[MeowLeafs]

But his main point is just incorrect and by trying to say he plays 17 minutes a game is disingenuous at best. Again, there are 10 other players in the NHL playing under 19 minutes that are within 2 points of being a PPG player. Matthews is a great player but his minutes are certainly not holding him back.

To be fair, every single one of those 10 other players players also get more PP time than Matthews. In fact they average 50% more. That's pretty substantial.

 

[joe dirte]

If McDavid never achieved higher than #20 in scoring, yes. However, we know he has.

not a very good goal scorer though

 

[joe dirte]

when matthews wins a hart and ross and cracks 100 points come see me

when mcdavid comes anywhere near 40 goals or contends for the rocket trophy see me.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

not a very good goal scorer though

True, but he more than makes up for it with his playmaking ability.

 

[joe dirte]

True, but he more than makes up for it with his playmaking ability.

not really

*one dimensional

 

[bionic]

when matthews wins a hart and ross and cracks 100 points come see me

Sorry we may be to busy watching Matthews in the playoffs.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

not really

*one dimensional

I wouldn't say Matthews is one dimensional, his defensive play is underrated. I don't think it makes up for his average playmaking ability though.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I wouldn't say Matthews is one dimensional, his defensive play is underrated. I don't think it makes up for his average playmaking ability though.

Having an offensive anchor I Zach Hyman on his line , who can't finish a play does not make Matthews an average playmaker

 

[joe dirte]

I wouldn't say Matthews is one dimensional, his defensive play is underrated. I don't think it makes up for his average playmaking ability though.

palymaking out of mcdavid.... and? not great defensively, can't finish.

*one dimensional

 

[joe dirte]

Having an offensive anchor I Zach Hyman on his line , who can't finish a play does not make Matthews an average playmaker

it's hilarious watching oilers fans struggle with Matthews being better at mist parts of the game.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Having an offensive anchor I Zach Hyman on his line , who can't finish a play does not make Matthews an average playmaker

Look at who Crosby and Malkin have played with throughout their careers.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Having an offensive anchor I Zach Hyman on his line , who can't finish a play does not make Matthews an average playmaker

Someone has to play defence on that line!!

 

[The Grim Reaper]

palymaking out of mcdavid.... and? not great defensively, can't finish.

*one dimensional

I don't have McDavid in my Top 10 either. He will be, just not yet. I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up in defense of Matthews.

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