StoneHands
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Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?
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yeah we aren't a borderline playoff team anymore. pretty much a lock now. don't have to struggle to scrape out any point we can for the 8th seed if we are lucky.True. I guess I never thought of it that way. It takes an adjustment in thinking when you're not constantly looking at who you're going to be picking in the lottery draft.
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18 or something. last year he was at 17 and change. under 18 anyway.
General point being that the forwards with the mostvice on those teams that put everything they have on one or two lines are getting about 20% more ice.
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You may not agree and I think it's borderline, but I don't see how it's laughable. He's a big center who does everything - Drives possession, scores goals and plays a two way game. There are only so many of those players in the league. If you watch him on a good night he can completely control the ice when he's out there.
This right here in the problem with the thread, the ranking is completely subjective. The analysts at TSN ranked him top ten and now everyone is arguing he is or isn't but we have no idea what their criteria for that ranking was.
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Literally everything you just said is fake news.
Matthews plays more minutes than anyone on the Leafs by a fairly large margin. The next closest forward is Hyman who is at 17:41 and then nobody else plays even plays 17 minutes. Even Hyman is only within 3 minutes of Matthews because he's a primary PKer. Matthews get plenty of icetime and that's without stepping foot on the ice for a PK.
There are also 10 other players in the NHL that are within 2 points of being a PPG player that play under 19 minutes a game. What Matthews is doing is great but let's not act like being a PPG player are 18:30 a game is what separates him from the pack.
Before is was 17 minutes and now you're still wrong. He plays 18:30 a game. If you're just rounding, why not say 19 minutes? Doesn't fit your narrative?
Last year he played 17:38 but that's irrelevant because he was well under a PPG pace which was the point of your comment.
The only forward in the entire NHL that plays 20% more than Matthews is Barkov.
Matthews plays more minutes than anyone on the Leafs by a fairly large margin. The next closest forward is Hyman who is at 17:41 and then nobody else plays even plays 17 minutes. Even Hyman is only within 3 minutes of Matthews because he's a primary PKer. Matthews get plenty of icetime and that's without stepping foot on the ice for a PK.
There are also 10 other players in the NHL that are within 2 points of being a PPG player that play under 19 minutes a game. What Matthews is doing is great but let's not act like being a PPG player are 18:30 a game is what separates him from the pack.
you're talking to two different posters. lighten up francis. the main point of the other guys post is his ice time is well under the other elite players in the league.
his points per 60 on both the PP and at ES are actually higher than mcdavids.
the poster expressed frustration over this. I offered an explanation.
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Yeah, I probably would too. Really hard to make a top 10 that includes forwards, defensemen and goalies.
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But his main point is just incorrect and by trying to say he plays 17 minutes a game is disingenuous at best. Again, there are 10 other players in the NHL playing under 19 minutes that are within 2 points of being a PPG player. Matthews is a great player but his minutes are certainly not holding him back.
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The problem is that it’s top 10 player. Not only centers or even forwards, but also defensemen and goalies. A “top 10 player” moniker is not realistic as of now.
hisbpoint is that if Matthews were getting the extra 2 to 3 minutes the top guys are getting we could win more games. which may or may not be true. my point is I'd rather save him for the games later. the points isn't whatvit was about.
as far as holding him back goes, is say it's a no brainer if he got more ice he'd score more. again, higher points per 60 than mcdavid.
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Agreed
I’ve never seen anything to suggest he’s a top 10 “player” in the nhl as of today based off of actual achievements or performance.
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That TSN ranking was back after Matthews' torrid pace to start the season. I'm pretty sure he was top 5 in points after 25 games and the way he was playing was lights out. He looked like he would have an unreal season. It was way easier to argue he's a top player then. But of course then he got injured, came back too soon, looked bad, rumours said he was also battling the flue, then injured again. It's so frigging hilarious that some people would pick now after all that to question his standing (and one of those people is using the flue as an excuse for McDavid's slower production this year which is even more hilarious).
Personally, I say let's see where Matthews ends up after another 42 games. I've seen enough of him to be very optimistic we can have this conversation again in the near future and it won't be ludicrous to call him a top 10 player but time will tell.
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because he scored 40 goals as a rookie last year and 69 points and despite missing 10 games he is still on pace to break both totals
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