Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[The Grim Reaper]

Why don't you just scroll through the thread so you can see the responses to questions that you're asking.

Rhetorical. He's a good player, top 20, not top 10.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Yeh it counts for exactly 18 points to go along with his 14 assists. Sitting him squarely at 52 ranked scorer in the league.

Why are you so obsessed with Matthews? You've posted what 60 times this morning alone on this thread?

 

[LeafFever]

If Matthews played for a team like Florida or Carolina, very few would consider him a top 10 player.

And if Barkov played in Toronto no one is calling him a top 10 NHL player.
If Jack Eichel played in Toronto with that horrible team record and career high of 24 goals, 57 assists with a 10 million per year contract, he'd be getting 10 times the criticism.
People really believe Leaf players get overrated after the Kessel debacle? Leaf players get so much more criticism than any small market.

 

[TheNumber4]

Why don't you just scroll through the thread so you can see the responses to questions that you're asking.

Why don't we just look at his assists like any rational fan would to assess his playmaking ability. You know like how we can look at Joe Thorntons career total assists to see how great of a player maker he is. Or Crosby. Or McDavid. Or Backstrom. Or Oates. Or pretty much anyone I guess except for Matthews cause he's soooo special his playmaking ability is also measured in loose puck retrievals or what?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

And if Barkov played in Toronto no one is calling him a top 10 NHL player.
If Jack Eichel played in Toronto with that horrible team record and career high of 24 goals, 57 assists with a 10 million per year contract, he'd be getting 10 times the criticism.
People really believe Leaf players get overrated after the Kessel debacle? Leaf players get so much more criticism than any small market.

People seem to conflate Leaf fans with the media and hockey analysts. I fully agree that Leaf fans, like every fanbase have people who boost their players too highly. The media however seems just as happy if not more to trash a player.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Why don't we just look at his assists like any rational fan would to assess his playmaking ability. You know like how we can look at Joe Thorntons career total assists to see how great of a player maker he is. Or Crosby. Or McDavid. Or Backstrom. Or Oates. Or pretty much anyone I guess except for Matthews cause he's soooo special his playmaking ability is also measured in loose puck retrievals or what?

That desperate for 61?

 

[Hunter368]

And if Barkov played in Toronto no one is calling him a top 10 NHL player.
If Jack Eichel played in Toronto with that horrible team record and career high of 24 goals, 57 assists with a 10 million per year contract, he'd be getting 10 times the criticism.
People really believe Leaf players get overrated after the Kessel debacle? Leaf players get so much more criticism than any small market.

Leaf (& Hab) players receive more criticism when things are going bad then small market players would.....but also get overrated by the same media & national media when things are going well. If AM played in a small market you would see virtually no discussion in the media about him a potential top 10 player.

 

[nobody]

That desperate for 61?

He's on a mission today.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

He's on a mission today.

Seriously, what's the point in answering they will just move the goal posts or move onto their next talking point. That is some serious dedication to picking fights with Leaf fans.

 

[nobody]

nice; is the rookie also playing against top competition? or is he playing behind the sedin sisters? come at me when he is the go to guy on your team and still outscoring Matthews lol

He scored on Carey Price from 8 feet out with no one within a mile of either of them. No player in the league has that kind of talent. You respect the kid now.

 

[nobody]

Seriously, what's the point in answering they will just move the goal posts or move onto their next talking point. That is some serious dedication to picking fights with Leaf fans.

I don't know. I can appreciate their dedication to the cause though. Best part is when they call Leafs fans insecure while wasting 8 hours a day in a Leafs player thread arguing against that player. Makes me question my dedication to the sport and Leafs nation.

One common denominator I've found though. It's always fans of scrubby teams that argue. They have nothing better to hope for from their teams so they cling on to individual accomplishments of players etc.

Last year it was primarily Jets fans (crap season), this year it seems to be a heavy flow of Canucks and Oilers fans (both having shit seasons). I'm honestly pleasantly surprised by the lack of chirping from Sens and Habs fans this year but both those fan bases are still in their misery phase. I kinda feel bad for both those fanbases. Specially Sens. Their fans deserve better.

 

[TheNumber4]

Except we're talking about Matthews. If half the league wasn't injured they'd be doing better right now.


Why couldn't he keep up the pace? You're telling me that is absurd when a guy like Bailey has 50 points and is #2 in the league in points right now. You're telling me Josh Bailey is a better offensive player than Auston Matthews?

Your other point tho, you're right 19 points in 16 games is a 50 point pace in 42 games. Not 52. He would still be tied for #2 in Points and be #1 in goals. Lastly, don't fool yourself, you're not providing genuine debate in this thread, all your doing is wasting your time trolling. You seem to believe that Leafs fans are claiming Matthews is a top 5 player which is utterly hilarious. You also seem to think it's the Leafs fans that anoint Matthews as a top 10 player when in reality it was the TSN/ NHL.com player rankings that had Matthews in their top 10. Don't hate the fans because of what the media says and does.

Also by your logic and arguments, McDavid has the 13th best PPG this year and isn't even in the top 5 in points. He must no longer by the best player in the league (that's what he was last year because of awards). Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin should also consider retiring as they are 24 and 49 respectively in league PPG. They are no longer the worlds top 10 best players because of stats and reasons.

Oh so only Matthews gets the benefit of the doubt when prorating to fill in injury time? In a discussion about Matthews rankings compared to his peers it'd be disengenious not to include Getzlaf and Marchand. Also, let's not forget the Hall and Kane haven't reached 42 games yet, as you've so generously given Matthews. He wouldn't be ranked 14th if you did the comparison withOut blatant leafs homerism. Which everyone can see through, sad really.

Oh leafs fans aren't ranking him in the top 10 ? Maybe they and you should just agree that he's not and move instead of throwing ridiculous hypotheticals where he doesn't get injured and a 16 game sample size is enough to determine conclusively how much points he would have had if he didn't miss time.

Oh and on to your McDavid point, like you said Crosby and Malkin shouldn't disappear off the list because of one year, know why? Because they've proven themselves with those awards to be a,one the leagues very elite. Something McDavid also did last year. The reason this same argument doesn't work for Matthews is because last year he proved he was around a 20th ranked player in the league and he continues to prove he's exactly that.


Your arguments are makes no sense.

 

[PromisedLand]

He scored on Carey Price from 8 feet out with no one within a mile of either of them. No player in the league has that kind of talent. You respect the kid now.

Kucherov just did that last night lol. Matthews is still developing, he is already a Toronto's no. 1 center and sees high QoC from opposition all the time.

But yea he has a solid wrister - no doubt about that

 

[nobody]

Oh so only Matthews gets the benefit of the doubt when prorating to fill in injury time? In a discussion about Matthews rankings compared to his peers it'd be disengenious not to include Getzlaf and Marchand. Also, let's not forget the Hall and Kane haven't reached 42 games yet, as you've so generously given Matthews. He wouldn't be ranked 14th if you did the comparison with blatant leafs homerism. Which everyone can see through, sad really.

Oh leafs fans aren't ranking him in the top 10 ? Maybe they and you should just agree that he's not and move instead of throwing ridiculous hypotheticals where he doesn't get injured and a 16 game sample size is enough to determine conclusively how much points he would have had if he didn't miss time.

Oh and on to your McDavid point, like you said Crosby and Malkin shouldn't disappear off the list because of one year, know why? Because they've proven themselves with those awards to be a,one the leagues very elite. Something McDavid also did last year. The reason this same argument doesn't work for Matthews is because last year he proved he was around a 20th ranked player in the league and he continues to prove he's exactly that.


Your arguments are makes no sense.

62

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Matthew is top 5 in goals per game, top 5 in even strength scoring even while missing games and is behind only Kucherov for even strength goals per 60. Just throwing that out there for interested parties.

 

[TheNumber4]

Why are you so obsessed with Matthews? You've posted what 60 times this morning alone on this thread?

Just debating Matthews in a Matthews thread. Or is that against the rules? Or is it that you'd rather me just stop cause tears.

 

[nobody]

Just debating Matthews in a Matthews thread. Or is that against the rules? Or is it that you'd rather me just stop cause tears.

No you're seriously obsessed. I admire it though. I'm assuming you are a huge Matthews fan to have contributed so many words to this thread. [mod]

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Just debating Matthews in a Matthews thread. Or is that against the rules? Or is it that you'd rather me just stop cause tears.

63.

 

[nobody]

63.

It's got to be 65 atleast.

 

[Apotheosis]

Before the injury he was above PPG, top 5 in goals (and top 5 in points) IIRC. And his advanced stats were pretty ridiculous. His xGF and possession numbers were right in line with McDavid. Time playing through/after injury slowed him a bit, but he's still PPG.

 

[nobody]

lol; what that I stated the facts. We'll see how good Boeser is when both the Sedins retire

I don't think you'll have to wait that long. We'll see how good he is before the end of the season. He's riding some mighty high advanced stats right now.

 

[nobody]

Before the injury he was above PPG, top 5 in goals (and top 5 in points) IIRC. And his advanced stats were pretty ridiculous. His xGF and possession numbers were right in line with McDavid. Time playing through/after injury slowed him a bit, but he's still PPG.

They don't care about the stats. Matthews numbers were not sustainable. He's no Josh Bailey or Brock Boeser.

 

[Apotheosis]

They don't care about the stats. Matthews numbers were not sustainable. He's no Josh Bailey or Brock Boeser.

Trying to preach to them is fruitless. It's a waste of energy, hence why, as a Leafs fan, it's a good idea to avoid the main boards. Prior to injury, Matthews looked like so good and I was just in awe. Looked like peak Malkin 109 in 75 type stuff. He's finally rounding back in to form, so let's see how he does.

 

[TheNumber4]

63.

It's got to be 65 atleast.

69.

Ahh your arguments have run their course I see. No more leg to stand on to try to convince folks that a 20th ranked player is somehow ranked top 10 or 5. Maybe you guys should leave the thread if your discussion is going to be talking about me rather than the NHL player this thread is dedicated too. I guess personal insults is all that's left for people without a valid argument.

 

[nobody]

Trying to preach to them is fruitless. It's a waste of energy, hence why, as a Leafs fan, it's a good idea to avoid the main boards. Prior to injury, Matthews looked like so good and I was just in awe. Looked like peak Malkin 109 in 75 type stuff. He's finally rounding back in to form, so let's see how he does.

Leafs as a team were playing well. Right now the team is just out of sync. They'll pick it up again though and it'll be back to the good old times.