Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

How is attacking Malkin a defense for Matthews inability to be top 10 in points?

it's pretty obvious how. missing 25% of the season makes it tough to be in the top 10 in points, regardless of talent

 

[TheNumber4]

How is attacking Malkin a defense for Matthews inability to be top 10 in points?

Its not. That's the trick with Matthews boasters, when all rational argument is lost out come the illogical attacks. Just like "Oilers suck" is also apparently a reason Matthews is the a top 5 player.

 

[bauer]

when you start holding people accountable for things completely different people have said, it's time to give up. you're not having a reasonable discussion

the discussion here is if Matthews is currently a top 10 player. statistics show he's not even close. the people not being reasonable are the ones who think he is right now. and there are many of those.

 

[nobody]

okay, lets go by PPG, Matthews is still ranked 23rd. he's nowhere near the top 10.

btw, wasn't that the argument Leafs fans were using against Laine last year? Laine actually had a better PPG than Matthews but Leafs fans went on about how it was Laine's fault he couldn't stay healthy. but now it's used as a crutch for Matthews not being near the top in scoring? make up your minds Leaf fans. either Laine outperformed Matthews last year or Matthews isn't anywhere near the top in scoring. you can't choose both.

Laine is a secondary scoring piece for his team and isn't close to PPG right now. Matthews is at PPG and he's the Leafs main offensive guy. Please don't bring Laine up in this thread. He's not worthy.

 

[authentic]

Without his injuries at his current pace he'd be sitting at 42 points and 14th place in scoring. With his pace prior to injury he'd be sitting at 30 goals and 52 points which would put him #1 in goals and #2 in scoring. How about you stop pulling numbers out of your ass and just leave the thread. You are beyond embarrassing yourself right now.

Without his injuries a few more of those games would've been played at 100% though so it's tough to say for sure. All I can say is he still hasn't quite reached his previous level of dominance since before his injury, and for atleast 3 or 4 games he was noticeably way off.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

it's pretty obvious how. missing 25% of the season makes it tough to be in the top 10 in points, regardless of talent

He played 82 games last year. Finished #20 in scoring. 20 does not fall within the range of 1-10.

 

[joe dirte]

the discussion here is if Matthews is currently a top 10 player. statistics show he's not even close. the people not being reasonable are the ones who think he is right now. and there are many of those.

that's rather arguable. second in the league in goals counts for something.... and even with injury he'll be close to that again.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

He played 82 games last year. Finished #20 in scoring. 20 does not fall within the range of 1-10.

You know there's more to hockey than just points right?

Why exactly do we need the first two threads to be about Matthews, can we just sticky a thread from now on so the same people can take shots at him in one place?

 

[LeafFever]

He played 82 games last year. Finished #20 in scoring. 20 does not fall within the range of 1-10.

As a rookie... He also finished 2nd in goals.

 

[bauer]

Without his injuries at his current pace he'd be sitting at 42 points and 14th place in scoring. With his pace prior to injury he'd be sitting at 30 goals and 52 points which would put him #1 in goals and #2 in scoring. How about you stop pulling numbers out of your ass and just leave the thread. You are beyond embarrassing yourself right now.

he would not be 14th, he'd be 21st. you're not factoring in other players like Getzlaf and Marchand who have missed a lot of games as well and have a higher PPG.

NHL.com - Stats

 

[Pilky01]

Matthews is considered a top 10 player because Matthews is a top 10 player.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Why is Auston Matthews considered a top-ten, even top-five player already?

Because he's really good and still only 20 years old.
This kid's gonna be a beast.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

You know there's more to hockey than just points right?

Why exactly do we need the first two threads to be about Matthews, can we just sticky a thread from now on so the same people can take shots at him in one place?

Sure there is, but is there more to Matthews than his goal scoring? It's not like he's Datsyuk on defense.

 

[Critical13]

Sure there is, but is there more to Matthews than his goal scoring? It's not like he's Datsyuk on defense.

At 20 years old? No, and neither is any other 20 year old.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

As a rookie... He also finished 2nd in goals.

Yep, fantastic season for a rookie. Still not good enough to crack the top 10. He'll get there eventually though.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

At 20 years old? No, and neither is any other 20 year old.

Which is why I don't have him in the top 10.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Sure there is, but is there more to Matthews than his goal scoring? It's not like he's Datsyuk on defense.

Of course there is, that's why people keep talking about his two way game and how complete of a player he is.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Sure there is, but is there more to Matthews than his goal scoring? It's not like he's Datsyuk on defense.

He doesn't need to be Datsyuk on defense. He is a dangerous player with and without the puck. The points not going in at a top ten pace doesn't change that. When they start going in a little more for him, which it will, it will reflect a little more accurately on him. He's nothing special defensively but he's not bad either.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Sure there is, but is there more to Matthews than his goal scoring? It's not like he's Datsyuk on defense.

Yes, there's also his 40.1 face off percentage.

Oh wait, that's not him...

 

[TheNumber4]

Without his injuries at his current pace he'd be sitting at 42 points and 14th place in scoring. With his pace prior to injury he'd be sitting at 30 goals and 52 points which would put him #1 in goals and #2 in scoring. How about you stop pulling numbers out of your ass and just leave the thread. You are beyond embarrassing yourself right now.

You know what's embarrassing? Saying someone is pulling numbers out of their ass and then doing just that. Making up facts and stats and essentially lying to try to make your argument. Matthews had 19 points in 16 games before injury. Which does not pro rate to 52 points in 41 games. You know what's also embarrassing? Assuming that he'd have kept up that 16 game sample size pace without injury to also support your badly thought out point.

Maybe you should leave this thread, I think posters want a genuine debate with actual numbers not be subjected to biased lies.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Of course there is, that's why people keep talking about his two way game and how complete of a player he is.

Complete? His playmaking ability is very suspect, showing in his subpar assist totals.

 

[TheNumber4]

that's rather arguable. second in the league in goals counts for something.... and even with injury he'll be close to that again.

Yeh it counts for exactly 18 points to go along with his 14 assists. Sitting him squarely at 52 ranked scorer in the league.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Complete? His playmaking ability is very suspect, showing in his subpar assist totals.

Why don't you just scroll through the thread so you can see the responses to questions that you're asking.

 

[nobody]

he would not be 14th, he'd be 21st. you're not factoring in other players like Getzlaf and Marchand who have missed a lot of games as well and have a higher PPG.

NHL.com - Stats

Except we're talking about Matthews. If half the league wasn't injured they'd be doing better right now.

You know what's embarrassing? Saying someone is pulling numbers out of their ass and then doing just that. Making up facts and stats and essentially lying to try to make your argument. Matthews had 19 points in 16 games before injury. Which does not pro rate to 52 points in 41 games. You know what's also embarrassing? Assuming that he'd have kept up that 16 game sample size pace without injury to also support your badly thought out point.

Maybe you should leave this thread, I think posters want a genuine debate with actual numbers not be subjected to biased lies.

Why couldn't he keep up the pace? You're telling me that is absurd when a guy like Bailey has 50 points and is #2 in the league in points right now. You're telling me Josh Bailey is a better offensive player than Auston Matthews?

Your other point tho, you're right 19 points in 16 games is a 50 point pace in 42 games. Not 52. He would still be tied for #2 in Points and be #1 in goals. Lastly, don't fool yourself, you're not providing genuine debate in this thread, all your doing is wasting your time trolling. You seem to believe that Leafs fans are claiming Matthews is a top 5 player which is utterly hilarious. You also seem to think it's the Leafs fans that anoint Matthews as a top 10 player when in reality it was the TSN/ NHL.com player rankings that had Matthews in their top 10. Don't hate the fans because of what the media says and does.

Also by your logic and arguments, McDavid has the 13th best PPG this year and isn't even in the top 5 in points. He must no longer by the best player in the league (that's what he was last year because of awards). Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin should also consider retiring as they are 24 and 49 respectively in league PPG. They are no longer the worlds top 10 best players because of stats and reasons.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

If Matthews played for a team like Florida or Carolina, very few would consider him a top 10 player.