Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[Rants Mulliniks]

You mean in his rookie season?

Yup. The team stunk equally with or without him.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Should probably look into getting his yearly flu vaccinations. I hear you can take them at pharmacies now in the great white north. Lucky Canadians.

Yeah, less Rogers iPhone commercials means more time to get a flu shot at his local Newmarket drug store. I don’t think his agent ever told him about that.

 

[nobody]

You mean in his rookie season?

Yep, the same season where he was averaging pretty much the same production as he is right now.

 

[Brock Radunske]

This thread is hilarious

 

[nobody]

Sure let's discuss it. Shows that Matthews is still not on the same level as McDavid. Discussion done.

Wait now you discuss McDavids second year pace to Matthews second year pace. Be objective! Look at more than one season!

You should really meet @TheJackAttack. Ask him about his philosophies on comparing rookie season to rookie seasons and sophomore seasons to sophomore seasons.

 

[TheNumber4]

Apart from point total everything else in there is actually based on opinion.

Yeh the CONSENSUS opinions of actual NHL players who know the game better than you or I or anyone else on these boards, and the the CONSENSUS opinions of hockey writers who's livlehood is based on being experts on the game. But sure, goooooood point they just opinions.

 

[nobody]

Yeah, less Rogers iPhone commercials means more time to get a flu shot at his local Newmarket drug store. I don’t think his agent ever told him about that.

You would figure that the team would look after it's best asset and prevent the flu of all things. Silly Oilers.

 

[TheNumber4]

You should really meet @TheJackAttack. Ask him about his philosophies on comparing rookie season to rookie seasons and sophomore seasons to sophomore seasons.

Don't know who that is? Is this some sort of insult towards JackAttack? Not very nice considering he's not even hear to read your comment and defend himself.

 

[nobody]

Yeh the CONSENSUS opinions of actual NHL players who know the game better than you or I or anyone else on these boards, and the the CONSENSUS opinions of hockey writers who's livlehood is based on being experts on the game. But sure, goooooood point they just opinions.

You do know those same experts have called Matthews generational before and spent the good part of the first 1.5 months of this season comparing Auston to Connor. The same exact reason why you're so pissy about this topic.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Sure let's discuss it. Shows that Matthews is still not on the same level as McDavid. Discussion done.

Wait now you discuss McDavids second year pace to Matthews second year pace. Be objective! Look at more than one season!

Sure. To injury time, Matthews was ahead of McDavid's second year pace. Would that continue? Impossible to say. An objective poster though would acknowledge that. Unfortunately we'll have to wait until year three to see if he can in act hold that pace. It is however encouraging that with two injuries he can almost maintain his third year pace.

 

[nobody]

Don't know who that is? Is this some sort of insult towards JackAttack? Not very nice considering he's not even hear to read your comment and defend himself.

No insult, he just has a different way of looking at statistics. I think he's a fine poster. I love his passion for Jack Eichel. I'm a huge Eichel fan myself.

 

[New Jersey]

these are the threads that make the main board worthwhile.

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Yup. The team stunk equally with or without him.

Yep, the same season where he was averaging pretty much the same production as he is right now.

If you both think McDavid's impact on the team after 40 games into his career is the same as in his 3rd season after winning the Hart and Art Ross as well as being their captain and a more complete and mature player, well I can't really debate this anymore.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Don't know who that is? Is this some sort of insult towards JackAttack? Not very nice considering he's not even hear to read your comment and defend himself.

He'll see it. That's the function of the "@UserName"

 

[BayStreetBully]

You would figure that the team would look after it's best asset and prevent the flu of all things. Silly Oilers.

Maybe McDavid and Mark Messier had a falling out lately. Messier used to love giving him advice, and surely would’ve advised him to get that damn flu shot.

 

[Brock Radunske]

these are the threads that make the main board worthwhile.

The amount that some posters are investing into it is amazing

 

[nobody]

If you both think McDavid's impact on the team after 40 games into his career is the same as in his 3rd season after winning the Hart and Art Ross as well as being their captain and a more complete and mature player, well I can't really debate this anymore.

We would all appreciate it if you didn't debate this anymore. In all seriousness though, we recognise that the impact of McDavid goes far beyond just offensive stats. I just don't think certain posters here recognise that. They all drool over offensive stats like they are the end all be all.

 

[TheNumber4]

We would all appreciate it if you didn't debate this anymore. In all seriousness though, we recognise that the impact of McDavid goes far beyond just offensive stats. I just don't think certain posters here recognise that. They all drool over offensive stats like they are the end all be all.

Yeh no kidding. Get logic and common sense out of here! That don't fly when you overrating Matthews.

 

[nobody]

Yeh no kidding. Get logic and common sense out of here! That don't fly when you overrating Matthews.

The irony, I just can't.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Yeh the CONSENSUS opinions of actual NHL players who know the game better than you or I or anyone else on these boards, and the the CONSENSUS opinions of hockey writers who's livlehood is based on being experts on the game. But sure, goooooood point they just opinions.

I always love it when people bow to authority. The same authority that does things like pick MacInnis over Gretzky. Or that includes the likes of Mike Milbury. You are doing even better when you appeal to the likes of Steve Simmons, Larry Brroks etc. Heck it even includes guys like Mark Spector. Know who he is? He's a guy from Prince Edward Island who started a website about hockey rumours. Keep telling yourself though that all these guys are "experts" whose opinions are so much more valid. For the record I like Mark and have spoken with him a few times in the past. I just find it funny when people like you try to play the authority card.

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

We would all appreciate it if you didn't debate this anymore. In all seriousness though, we recognise that the impact of McDavid goes far beyond just offensive stats. I just don't think certain posters here recognise that. They all drool over offensive stats like they are the end all be all.

Right now there is a sizeable gap offensively production wise in their games. Yes Matthews is very good defensively but McDavis is good as well.

The way Leafs fans portray Matthews and try to compensate his lack of elite production right now is the same way people spoke about Toews.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

If you both think McDavid's impact on the team after 40 games into his career is the same as in his 3rd season after winning the Hart and Art Ross as well as being their captain and a more complete and mature player, well I can't really debate this anymore.

If you are being objective, there is only one way to find out. Clearly you were alright with assigning weight to Matthews effect after 98 games played. Not sure where you pulled the arbitrary cut off from?

 

[TheNumber4]

You do know those same experts have called Matthews generational before and spent the good part of the first 1.5 months of this season comparing Auston to Connor. The same exact reason why you're so pissy about this topic.

Some experts like the dude who runs sports net leaf homerism radio show, but then they all had to remember that they supposed to know about hockey and then they all looked at the stats like any rational person would then they all voted correctly for McDavid begrudgingly because common sense prevailed. Woopty doo.

 

[joe dirte]

Right now there is a sizeable gap offensively production wise in their games. Yes Matthews is very good defensively but McDavis is good as well.

The way Leafs fans portray Matthews and try to compensate his lack of elite production right now is the same way people spoke about Toews.

well, in fairness, toews had 1 season in his career with more points than Matthews rookie season, and has never scored as many goals. and even with the lower production he was an absolute monster that led the black hawks (from a forward perspective at least) to 3 cups....

so if we have a toews with an extra 20 goals and points on our hands, that's a Hart trophy candidate.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Right now there is a sizeable gap offensively production wise in their games. Yes Matthews is very good defensively but McDavis is good as well.

The way Leafs fans portray Matthews and try to compensate his lack of elite production right now is the same way people spoke about Toews.

Actually there is a 9 point gap. What do you consider "sizeable".