Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[Brock Radunske]

Hopefully McDavid rebounds fully from the flu and regains the generational tag that he's lost recently.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Hopefully McDavid rebounds fully from the flu and regains the generational tag that he's lost recently.

They shouldn’t even play him until he’s fully recovered. He’s clearly not helping the team while suffering from the long-term effects of the flu.

 

[TheNumber4]

when looming at this year's play alone I don't think there is a consensus that mcdavid is the best player. in fact I'd argue very few think he is.

Sure. And you may have a point, best player this season is probably Kucherov. But he was undisputed best player last year, he fought through a flu and a floundering supporting cast to still be 8th in points one year removed from an art Ross, hart, and a Lyndsey. My argument that he's the best is atleast supported by facts stronger than "hey last year Matthews finished top 20 in scoring and he's 50th now, so he's totally on McDavids level!"

 

[nobody]

They shouldn’t even play him until he’s fully recovered. He’s clearly not helping the team while suffering from the long-term effects of the flu.

He's lost 15 pounds though. Makes a huge difference in his game. He can't bang the body and play his power game anymore. Not to mention the speed he's lost. And the hand eye coordination. I also hear that having the flu really demoralises the team.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

They seemed to have disapppeared into the shadows never to be seen from again (hopefully). I guess all the logic and rationality of those who rate Matthews accurately finally got them to walk back their insane overrating of Matthews. Yay I guess.

Lol I didn't look at what generational players do before I deemed McDavid generational? If all the scouts were wrong about McDavid since he was 10 years old maybe you have a point. If he wasn't voted by hockey writers as the best you might have a point. If he wasn't voted by NHL players as the best maybe you have a point. If didn't win the award for most points maybe you have a point.

Oh and the "subjective" awards of ted lyndsay and hart are much stronger indications that he's generational than "loose puck recoveries advanced stats" that no one has ever cared about until Matthews needed a reason to be viewed as good as McDavid.

So every single player to win those awards is to be considered generational?

You do realize it isn't the Generational award right? Seriously are you incapable of discussing ANY statistical numbers? YOU the guy who claims to be objective???

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Don't the Oilers have Talbot, Draisaitl, Nuge, LUCIC!, Klefbom, Larsson and the newly emerging star Darnell Nurse? I didn't know Oilers were a one man crew with 19 other bums. I'm sorry to hear that.

Talbot, Klefbom and Larsson are having bad years. Lucic and RNH are what they are, 50ish point players. Draisaitl is no longer on McDavid's wing so McDavid is playing with Lucic and a still developing Puljujarvi. Sill putting up 1.12 points per game.

But you Leafs fans are right, he is playing below expectations this year. Which is still on pace for 10 points more than Matthews.

 

[Brock Radunske]

They shouldn’t even play him until he’s fully recovered. He’s clearly not helping the team while suffering from the long-term effects of the flu.

I heard they were thinking of sending him to one of those hospitals in the Alps that specializes in flu victims.
Godspeed, Connor.

 

[nobody]

Sure. And you may have a point, best player this season is probably Kucherov. But he was undisputed best player last year, he fought through a flu and a floundering supporting cast to still be 8th in points one year removed from an art Ross, hart, and a Lyndsey. My argument that he's the best is atleast supported by facts stronger than "hey last year Matthews finished top 20 in scoring and he's 50th now, so he's totally on McDavids level!"

First off, get your facts straight. McDavid right now is #13 in ppg. Matthews is tied for #20. Let's not get twisted here. We're not a certain Sabres fan who like to mislead people by cherry picking stats.

 

[BayStreetBully]

He's lost 15 pounds though. Makes a huge difference in his game. He can't bang the body and play his power game anymore. Not to mention the speed he's lost. And the hand eye coordination. I also hear that having the flu really demoralises the team.

Yeah the worsening hand eye coordination resulting from the flu has affected his ability as a world class prolific goal scorer to run dry of goals lately.

 

[joe dirte]

Sure. And you may have a point, best player this season is probably Kucherov. But he was undisputed best player last year, he fought through a flu and a floundering supporting cast to still be 8th in points one year removed from an art Ross, hart, and a Lyndsey. My argument that he's the best is atleast supported by facts stronger than "hey last year Matthews finished top 20 in scoring and he's 50th now, so he's totally on McDavids level!"

he was absolutely not the undisputed best player. it was pretty damn close between Crosby and mcdavid last year and when you say year instead of regular season, it could very well flip to Crosby give that he came second in Hart voting AND won the conn smythe.

 

[nobody]

Talbot, Klefbom and Larsson are having bad years. Lucic and RNH are what they are, 50ish point players. Draisaitl is no longer on McDavid's wing so McDavid is playing with Lucic and a still developing Puljujarvi. Sill putting up 1.12 points per game.

But you Leafs fans are right, he is playing below expectations this year. Which is still on pace for 10 points more than Matthews.

Hey, as long as Matthews keeps taking us to the playoffs and gives us a shot at the cup, I'll take a 30 point difference between the two, year in year out. You keep your generational talent and we'll take the cup.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'm confused. In one post, points is the be all and end all. In another, we have to consider everything.

Could you please take a stance and stick to it? I haven't really got the time to chase you around the field while you move the posts.

While we are at it, could you try answering the questions you were asked? You remind me of that scene in Bravehart where the Irishman meets William Wallace and is speaking to God and then replies to Wallace and company "The Almight says, "Don't change the subject, just answer the f@#$' question."

Of course when asked about actual numbers you are reminding me of the scene from the Holy Grail with the Knights of the Round Table: "Run away! Run Awaaayyy!!!"

Points that McDavid was the best last year. Awards point to the same conclusion. With Matthews, last year he was the 20th ranked scorer and this year he's like 50th, which is why I justifiably am ranking him about a top 20 player in the league. Just cause you didn't understand my point doesn't mean I'm moving the goalposts.

What did you want me to answer? Ask it again? What stats am I running from? If players, writers, and fans all think McDavid is the best and the stats back it up, am I crazy to think the same thing??

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

How long does it take to get over a flu?

Yeah I’ll be honest. A third year player barely top 10 in scoring and outside top 10 in PPG, who can’t lead his team to the playoffs? He should be making his team a cup contender, let alone a playoff team. I’ll be honest. This doesn’t sound like a generational player to me.

If he lost 15 pounds then it takes quite a while to get back into full top shape. I guess we disagree about the impact 1 forward can make on a teams playoff/cup hopes.

 

[nobody]

Points that McDavid was the best last year. Awards point to the same conclusion. With Matthews, last year he was the 20th ranked scorer and this year he's like 50th, which is why I justifiably am ranking him about a top 20 player in the league. Just cause you didn't understand my point doesn't mean I'm moving the goalposts.

What did you want me to answer? Ask it again? What stats am I running from? If players, writers, and fans all think McDavid is the best and the stats back it up, am I crazy to think the same thing??

The PPG stats. Because right now he's behind the greatness that is Johnny Gaudreau. McDavid isn't even the best offensive player in that province right now.

 

[BayStreetBully]

If he lost 15 pounds then it takes quite a while to get back into full top shape. I guess we disagree about the impact 1 forward can make on a teams playoff/cup hopes.

Ok ok. Let’s just hope McDavid doesn’t get a flu every winter, or he’ll never reach his potential.

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Hey, as long as Matthews keeps taking us to the playoffs and gives us a shot at the cup, I'll take a 30 point difference between the two, year in year out. You keep your generational talent and we'll take the cup.

Leafs still had a winning record without Matthews. But hey if you want to attribute the teams success completely on Matthews to make your argument valid go right ahead.

FYI I'm not an Oilers fan. I just have respect for how good McDavid is.

 

[nobody]

Ok ok. Let’s just hope McDavid doesn’t get a flu every winter, or he’ll never reach his potential.

Should probably look into getting his yearly flu vaccinations. I hear you can take them at pharmacies now in the great white north. Lucky Canadians.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Sure. And you may have a point, best player this season is probably Kucherov. But he was undisputed best player last year, he fought through a flu and a floundering supporting cast to still be 8th in points one year removed from an art Ross, hart, and a Lyndsey. My argument that he's the best is atleast supported by facts stronger than "hey last year Matthews finished top 20 in scoring and he's 50th now, so he's totally on McDavids level!"

Since your Kucherov stance seems to at least corroborate that you rate players solely on points, perhaps Mr. Objective would rather discuss the 9 point pace difference between McDavid and Matthews this season?

 

[TheNumber4]

he was absolutely not the undisputed best player. it was pretty damn close between Crosby and mcdavid last year and when you say year instead of regular season, it could very well flip to Crosby give that he came second in Hart voting AND won the conn smythe.

So the NHL writers voting and saying he's the best, NHL players voting and saying he's the best, most NHL fans saying he's the best, and being the league leader in points lead me to think he was the undisputed best player in the league. Hey maybe all of us are wrong and Crosby eeeeeeeked it out last year as the best. What's your point? My opinion is backed by facts and sound reasoning. What are leafs fans opinion that Matthews is on that same Crosby-McDavid level? You gonna point to his 20th ranking in league scoring? Or you going to point at his loose puck retrieval numbers?

 

[nobody]

Leafs still had a winning record without Matthews. But hey if you want to attribute the teams success completely on Matthews to make your argument valid go right ahead.

FYI I'm not an Oilers fan. I just have respect for how good McDavid is.

Fair enough.

Leafs were a whopping 1 game over .500 without Matthews and they were playing like hot trash for all games except 2. Matthews anchors the entire team. He allows players to slot into their proper roles, without him long term, the Leafs would end up in the bottom 10 in the league.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Leafs still had a winning record without Matthews. But hey if you want to attribute the teams success completely on Matthews to make your argument valid go right ahead.

FYI I'm not an Oilers fan. I just have respect for how good McDavid is.

Did you know when McDavid was out, his team had an identical winning percentage, so in 6 times the sample size, McDavid had zero effect on his team's success? So yes, he is individually good but in the context you are presenting, not so much.

 

[joe dirte]

So the NHL writers voting and saying he's the best, NHL players voting and saying he's the best, most NHL fans saying he's the best, and being the league leader in points lead me to think he was the undisputed best player in the league. Hey maybe all of us are wrong and Crosby eeeeeeeked it out last year as the best. What's your point? My opinion is backed by facts and sound reasoning. What are leafs fans opinion that he's on that same Crosby-McDavid level? You gonna point to his 20th ranking in league scoring? Or you going to point at his loose puck retrieval numbers?

my lointvisbyou don't seem to understand what undisputed means. my point is yoibdont seem to know what the NHL writers association votes on.

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Did you know when McDavid was out, his team had an identical winning percentage, so in 6 times the sample size, McDavid had zero effect on his team's success? So yes, he is individually good but in the context you are presenting, not so much.

You mean in his rookie season?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

So the NHL writers voting and saying he's the best, NHL players voting and saying he's the best, most NHL fans saying he's the best, and being the league leader in points lead me to think he was the undisputed best player in the league. Hey maybe all of us are wrong and Crosby eeeeeeeked it out last year as the best. What's your point? My opinion is backed by facts and sound reasoning. What are leafs fans opinion that Matthews is on that same Crosby-McDavid level? You gonna point to his 20th ranking in league scoring? Or you going to point at his loose puck retrieval numbers?

Apart from point total everything else in there is actually based on opinion.

 

[TheNumber4]

Since your Kucherov stance seems to at least corroborate that you rate players solely on points, perhaps Mr. Objective would rather discuss the 9 point pace difference between McDavid and Matthews this season?

Sure let's discuss it. Shows that Matthews is still not on the same level as McDavid. Discussion done.

Wait now you discuss McDavids second year pace to Matthews second year pace. Be objective! Look at more than one season!