Why are the Devils 21-4-1? insane easy schedule, makes perfect sense.

[SteveCangialosi123]

At 5v5. As we've discussed multiple times. The Penguins play systematically well for 50+ minutes and then get sunk by the 10 bad ones. Marino was a big part of a PK that went great in the regular season then got absolutely worked by the Rangers.

Anyways. I get it, Marino is the greatest Penguins defenseman and we shall all cry at his altar as he leads the Devils to the promised land.

I'm good. I just want to watch my team play hockey.

Apparently you just want to come in Devils threads and be annoying.

Blaming Marino alone for getting spanked by what was an elite PP all year is certainly a choice. Maybe having an NHL goalie would’ve helped?

No one even wants to discuss the trade anymore. He’s doing exactly what has been asked of him, and Ty Smith has been great for the Penguins. The Wilkes Barre/Scranton Penguins.

 

[Gurglesons]

Apparently you just want to come in Devils threads and be annoying.

Blaming Marino alone for getting spanked by what was an elite PP all year is certainly a choice. Maybe having an NHL goalie would’ve helped?

No one even wants to discuss the trade anymore. He’s doing exactly what has been asked of him, and Ty Smith has been great for the Penguins. The Wilkes Barre/Scranton Penguins.

This is a main board thread.

I came to the Devils forum to share my opinion on Marino. I’m glad you know how the next four years will play out with him based on less than 20 games.

The reason we moved on from Marino has been explained to you multiple times.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

There's no narrative switch. Marino was the worst regular defensemen for the Penguins over the past two seasons at keeping the puck out of the net and getting the puck in the other net.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Marino was our worst regular defenseman at keep the puck out of the net over the last two seasons. 47.26 GF%

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Same in the playoffs. 44.44 GF%.

This is the problem with assessing a young players worth based on results without analyzing the process. Either way, Marino has exceeded any level he ever hit with Pittsburgh so a change of scenery appeared to be what he needed.

 

[Gurglesons]

This is the problem with assessing a young players worth based on results without analyzing the process. Either way, Marino has exceeded any level he ever hit with Pittsburgh so a change of scenery appeared to be what he needed.

Marino was analytically the best defensive defenseman in the league in his rookie year.

He was on a 4.4 million long term deal and scored 2 goals through 100 games. He wasn't providing defensive metrics worth his contract or offensive contributions worth his contract.

That's why the Penguins moved on from him. As I said this summer I expected him to have success with players like Graves or Siegs because the Penguins simply didn't have big bodied defensive guys that he could pair with on the LD.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

There's no narrative switch. Marino was the worst regular defensemen for the Penguins over the past two seasons at keeping the puck out of the net and getting the puck in the other net.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Marino was our worst regular defenseman at keep the puck out of the net over the last two seasons. 47.26 GF%

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Same in the playoffs. 44.44 GF%.

Absolutely beyond ridiculous to include all strengths. No ****ing shit a guy that plays on the PK will be out for more goals than someone who plays on the PP. He was out there for 81 GF and 82 GA at even strength. Everyone can see through your bullshit.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

This is a main board thread.

I came to the Devils forum to share my opinion on Marino. I’m glad you know how the next four years will play out with him based on less than 20 games.

The reason we moved on from Marino has been explained to you multiple times.

This is the shit that annoys Devils fans. Leave it at "glad Marino is working for you." Not, "wait till the tire comes off.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

This is a main board thread.

I came to the Devils forum to share my opinion on Marino. I’m glad you know how the next four years will play out with him based on less than 20 games.

The reason we moved on from Marino has been explained to you multiple times.

You’ve already displayed your complete inability to understand what you’re seeing or how to interpret statistics, so excuse me if I trust my eyes and intellect over yours.

 

[Gurglesons]

Absolutely beyond ridiculous to include all strengths. No ****ing shit a guy that plays on the PK will be out for more goals than someone who plays on the PP. He was out there for 81 GF and 82 GA at even strength. Everyone can see through your bullshit.

Brian Dumoulin played more time than Marino on the PK and got no PP time versus what Marino got in that two year regular season span and was a positive GF% during it.

You’ve already displayed your complete inability to understand what you’re seeing or how to interpret statistics, so excuse me if I trust my eyes and intellect over yours.

Neat. Stop responding to my posts and liking my posts on the HFPens board then.

This is the shit that annoys Devils fans. Leave it at "glad Marino is working for you." Not, "wait till the tire comes off.

Never said the tire will come off. I'm being told my viewing of a player for three years means nothing because Marino has been good in Jersey for 20 games.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Absolutely beyond ridiculous to include all strengths. No ****ing shit a guy that plays on the PK will be out for more goals than someone who plays on the PP. He was out there for 81 GF and 82 GA at even strength. Everyone can see through your bullshit.

Haha wait...he used all situations GF% when describing a defensive dmen.

 

[Devil made me do it]

John Marino is a legit Top 2 defenseman today for any team. Ty Smith plays in the AHL. Salty pens fan comes here to argue what can't be argued. Facts.

 

[imMagnum]

Marino is in a system that allows him to utilize his best assets. All Ruff and co. want from their D is to get guys off pucks quickly and move them up the ice, which is what Marino seems to excel at. Not sure if this is how Marino was utilized on the Penguins. Smith did not play Ruff defensive hockey well, however I could maybe, sort of see him do well in a more passive DZone approach.

No need to talk about who fleeced who imo. Penguins fans are warning us on his playoff performance and let's see if that holds true. We warned everyone last year that the Devils just needed average goaltending.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

There's no narrative switch. Marino was the worst regular defensemen for the Penguins over the past two seasons at keeping the puck out of the net and getting the puck in the other net.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Marino was our worst regular defenseman at keep the puck out of the net over the last two seasons. 47.26 GF%

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Same in the playoffs. 44.44 GF%.

Imagine using all strengths to evaluate a statistic like GF%. Do you really expect to be taken seriously like that?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Brian Dumoulin played more time than Marino on the PK and got no PP time versus what Marino got in that two year regular season span and was a positive GF% during it.



Neat. Stop responding to my posts and liking my posts on the HFPens board then.



Never said the tire will come off. I'm being told my viewing of a player for three years means nothing because Marino has been good in Jersey for 20 games.

And just as I suspected. Dumoulin has
922 minutes with Crosby over the last two years with 50 GF and 26 GA. Away from him he’s 51 GF 51 GA. Marino only has 430 minutes with Crosby in that time. Surely it’s Dumoulin driving that GF% number and not Crosby.

 

[BlueSeal]

The Devils build the right way, are now rocking and people are stunned and amazed?

 

[Gurglesons]

And just as I suspected. Dumoulin has
922 minutes with Crosby over the last two years with 50 GF and 26 GA. Away from him he’s 51 GF 51 GA. Marino only has 430 minutes with Crosby in that time. Surely it’s Dumoulin driving that GF% number and not Crosby.

Maybe it's the fact that Marino just wasn't that great in Pittsburgh the last two seasons and they cut bait on him because he was the easiest to move without retaining or paying to move him during a gridlocked offseason!

Wow!

 

[My3Sons]

There's no narrative switch. Marino was the worst regular defensemen for the Penguins over the past two seasons at keeping the puck out of the net and getting the puck in the other net.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Marino was our worst regular defenseman at keep the puck out of the net over the last two seasons. 47.26 GF%

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Same in the playoffs. 44.44 GF%.

I don’t doubt your history. Maybe it’s November. It’s just that your description of Marino has had ample opportunity to surface and it just hasn’t yet. That’s it. Doesn’t make you wrong.

 

[Gurglesons]

Imagine using all strengths to evaluate a statistic like GF%. Do you really expect to be taken seriously like that?

I'm not sure why a player that plays all strengths shouldn't be judged on GF%, but tell me more about xGF% and any correlation it has to anything.

I don’t doubt your history. Maybe it’s November. It’s just that your description of Marino has had ample opportunity to surface and it just hasn’t yet. That’s it. Doesn’t make you wrong.

Being on a 13 game win streak likely helps hide any player's flaws.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I'm not sure why a player that plays all strengths shouldn't be judged on GF%, but tell me more about xGF% and any correlation it has to anything.

Because not all players in the comparison dataset play the same proportions of each strength. Marino played twice as many PK mins as PP mins.

He also can't make his goalie save the puck.

 

[Devil made me do it]

Smith did not play Ruff defensive hockey well, however I could maybe, sort of see him do well in a more passive defensive approach.

Smith is not an NHL calibre defenseman. He is too slow, can't skate, lacks physicality and is limited offensively. Devils defense last year was horrendous and Lindy scratched him a bunch of games because he wasn't very good. If you can't ice up in that bad defense, you just don't have it. Plain and simple.

 

[Gurglesons]

Because not all players in the comparison dataset play the same proportions of each strength. Marino played twice as many PK mins as PP mins.

He also can't make his goalie save the puck.

Neat. Glad he is working out for you.

He wasn't for us. I do not subscribe to the Penguins only issue the past two playoffs being goaltending. I also have never said Marino was the only player at fault for those issues.

I'm not even sure it's on any of the players! I think they should fire Sullivan because he's got spanked in four consecutive playoff series where the Penguins were only viewed as the underdog in one.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Maybe it's the fact that Marino just wasn't that great in Pittsburgh the last two seasons and they cut bait on him because he was the easiest to move without retaining or paying to move him during a gridlocked offseason!

Wow!

Nah, SteveCangialosi123's narrative is much more believable.

Neat. Glad he is working out for you.

He wasn't for us. I do not subscribe to the Penguins only issue the past two playoffs being goaltending. I also have never said Marino was the only player at fault for those issues.

I'm not even sure it's on any of the players! I think they should fire Sullivan because he's got spanked in four consecutive playoff series where the Penguins were only viewed as the underdog in one.

Yes he was, the stats prove that he was working for you. Looks like a cap casualty.

 

[Gurglesons]

Nah, SteveCangialosi123's narrative is much more believable.


Yes he was, the stats prove that he was working for you. Looks like a cap casualty.

The stats also prove we should've won 3 of the 4 playoff series. So pardon me while I don't trust the stats.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Neat. Glad he is working out for you.

He wasn't for us. I do not subscribe to the Penguins only issue the past two playoffs being goaltending. I also have never said Marino was the only player at fault for those issues.

I'm not even sure it's on any of the players! I think they should fire Sullivan because he's got spanked in four consecutive playoff series where the Penguins were only viewed as the underdog in one.

I actually did watch your last series against the Rangers because I was rooting hard against them. How someone could not see that the series was lost by the goalie is beyond me. I saw a lot of shit goaltending last year, and that’s what you got.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Neat. Glad he is working out for you.

He wasn't for us. I do not subscribe to the Penguins only issue the past two playoffs being goaltending. I also have never said Marino was the only player at fault for those issues.

I'm not even sure it's on any of the players! I think they should fire Sullivan because he's got spanked in four consecutive playoff series where the Penguins were only viewed as the underdog in one.

Your goaltending saved 87.8% of the shots with Marino on the ice and 87.5% of the shots with Letang on the ice.

That's a problem.

 

[Gurglesons]

Glad I now have a bunch of Devils fans telling me why the team I watch regularly has lost in the playoffs.