Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[ShaneFalco]

Zach Hyman wants to stick with Maple Leafs but the offers are rolling in | The Star

At least three NHL teams have made solid offers for Zach Hyman’s services since the Maple Leafs granted the pending unrestricted free agent the right to talk with other teams, the Star has learned.

The Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks and Edmonton Oilers are believed to be the front-runners in the Hyman sweepstakes with the Pittsburgh Penguins, Florida Panthers, Boston Bruins and Detroit Red Wings also making inquiries with agent Todd Reynolds.

The 29-year-old forward’s expressed wish is to remain a Maple Leaf and would offer the team a hometown discount so long as he could get a no-movement clause included in the new contract, opening up the opportunity of playing his entire career with Toronto.

Hyman is coming off a four-year deal that paid him an average annual salary of $2.25 million (U.S.)and had a modified no-trade clause in the final two seasons. He’s proven to be a reliable scorer and one of the league’s top forecheckers as well as a popular player among teammates.

It’s believed Hyman is looking for about $5 million a year over eight seasons to remain in Toronto. But now his camp is getting offers “north” of there, according to a source who was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about the situation.

It would appear that $5 million a year is a price Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas would be hard-pressed to match given the team’s current salary structure. The Leafs have about $9.3 million available, but need to sign at least three forwards, one defenceman and a goalie, with Frederik Andersen also on his way to free agency. That could also change if the Leafs expose and lose forward Alex Kerfoot and his $3.5-million cap hit to Seattle in the expansion draft on Wednesday.

If the Hyman camp finds a deal it wants before free agency strikes July 28, the Leafs could trade his rights and get an asset — perhaps a draft pick or a prospect — in return. But it’s a risky gambit that could walk Hyman right into signing elsewhere when the free-agent market officially opens.

I really want to stay with the Leafs as long as they overpay me and lock me in forever
Buh bye

 

[Nylander88]

I really want to stay with the Leafs as long as they overpay me and lock me in forever
Buh bye

It's just not reasonable. He would need to bring all the elements he brings now, but be a nasty piece of business for that money. Hyman is a hard worker, but he doesn't run people through the boards or drop the mitts (very rarely, I know he's had a few NHL fights). I'd rather a Barclay Goodrow at half the price. See how he looks with a couple of skilled linemates. Also a puck hound and PK guy. But tougher and cheaper. I like Hyman, and wish him well. That contract at 5+ with term won't look good in a couple years. And that's best case.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Willy took Dubas out to the woodshed first.

In retrospect, Willy has a fair deal though. Marner is significantly overpaid.

 

[Kiwi]

Did I just read that right? A hometown discount is a 40M 5*8 contract now?

Are these GM'S out of there bloody minds? I'm not even sure he can live up to a bigger contract than that in year 1 let alone year 5

Are they going crazy or is it me because I wouldn't touch those deals with a 10 foot pole

 

[Legion34]

Did I just read that right? A hometown discount is a 40M 5*8 contract now?

Are these GM'S out of there bloody minds? I'm not even sure he can live up to a bigger contract than that in year 1 let alone year 5

Are they going crazy or is it me because I wouldn't touch those deals with a 10 foot pole

yep. He has to go. I don’t even want him for 4 TBH.

 

[zeke]

Take our Hyman money and give it to Danault.

 

[Subway Schenn]

Find a way to get Landeskog. Drop Hyman and Kerfoot. Deal Rielly if the opportunity presents itself and replace with a 4-5M FA defenseman with more term (or gamble on a Liljegren stepping up and gain some $ space); Trading Holl is the other option.

Landeskog-Matthews-Marner would be sick.

 

[hamzarocks]

Did I just read that right? A hometown discount is a 40M 5*8 contract now?

Are these GM'S out of there bloody minds? I'm not even sure he can live up to a bigger contract than that in year 1 let alone year 5

Are they going crazy or is it me because I wouldn't touch those deals with a 10 foot pole

He's pretty easily a 5M player for the next 3 years going by his regular season production *which is the only means we can look at for our team as we've got playoff chokers whose stats fall heavily once it turns to the playoffs

Hyman should be a 50-60 point player the next 3 seasons playing in a top 6 role and getting PP usage. He's got enough skill and has enough finishing to be able to produce around that level. He's also above average on the defensive side of things and works hard.

The main reason for me not offering 5M x 3 is to reverse the precedent of having no internal or external pay structure.

We saw Toffoli in a cap squeezed covid environment get 4 x 4 last offseason. TT is better than Hyman as a player and is a similar aged player *same draft in 2010

We set an establish a hard external comparable limit at 4M x 4 years. Hyman gets 16M and is in a piston if his body holds up he can earn another 10ishM on his next deal. At 4 x 4 he is able to live up to his deal every year and avoid getting Clarkson like expectations and comparisons

I'd settle begrudgingly for 5M x 3 but he's not worth a dollar more than that for a single season more

 

[Stonehands1990]

He's pretty easily a 5M player for the next 3 years going by his regular season production *which is the only means we can look at for our team as we've got playoff chokers whose stats fall heavily once it turns to the playoffs

Hyman should be a 50-60 point player the next 3 seasons playing in a top 6 role and getting PP usage. He's got enough skill and has enough finishing to be able to produce around that level. He's also above average on the defensive side of things and works hard.

The main reason for me not offering 5M x 3 is to reverse the precedent of having no internal or external pay structure.

We saw Toffoli in a cap squeezed covid environment get 4 x 4 last offseason. TT is better than Hyman as a player and is a similar aged player *same draft in 2010

We set an establish a hard external comparable limit at 4M x 4 years. Hyman gets 16M and is in a piston if his body holds up he can earn another 10ishM on his next deal. At 4 x 4 he is able to live up to his deal every year and avoid getting Clarkson like expectations and comparisons

I'd settle begrudgingly for 5M x 3 but he's not worth a dollar more than that for a single season more

I love Zach but this is bang on. We have to be willing to draw a line in the sand and not pretend we’re playing short handed if someone walks. Sucks to lose him but there’s other free agents and prospects to take the spot

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Zach Hyman wants to stick with Maple Leafs but the offers are rolling in | The Star

At least three NHL teams have made solid offers for Zach Hyman’s services since the Maple Leafs granted the pending unrestricted free agent the right to talk with other teams, the Star has learned.

The Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks and Edmonton Oilers are believed to be the front-runners in the Hyman sweepstakes with the Pittsburgh Penguins, Florida Panthers, Boston Bruins and Detroit Red Wings also making inquiries with agent Todd Reynolds.

The 29-year-old forward’s expressed wish is to remain a Maple Leaf and would offer the team a hometown discount so long as he could get a no-movement clause included in the new contract, opening up the opportunity of playing his entire career with Toronto.

Hyman is coming off a four-year deal that paid him an average annual salary of $2.25 million (U.S.)and had a modified no-trade clause in the final two seasons. He’s proven to be a reliable scorer and one of the league’s top forecheckers as well as a popular player among teammates.

It’s believed Hyman is looking for about $5 million a year over eight seasons to remain in Toronto. But now his camp is getting offers “north” of there, according to a source who was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about the situation.

It would appear that $5 million a year is a price Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas would be hard-pressed to match given the team’s current salary structure. The Leafs have about $9.3 million available, but need to sign at least three forwards, one defenceman and a goalie, with Frederik Andersen also on his way to free agency. That could also change if the Leafs expose and lose forward Alex Kerfoot and his $3.5-million cap hit to Seattle in the expansion draft on Wednesday.

If the Hyman camp finds a deal it wants before free agency strikes July 28, the Leafs could trade his rights and get an asset — perhaps a draft pick or a prospect — in return. But it’s a risky gambit that could walk Hyman right into signing elsewhere when the free-agent market officially opens.

If multiple teams are offering over $5M on an 8 year deal we should actually be able to get a really good asset for him.

 

[Omar23]

If the contract is structured in such a way that it would be easy to move or orchestrate a buyout after the first few years, I'd be ok with going long term to keep the AAV closer to 4 million.

You mean like the marleau deal.

 

[nsleaf]

Trade his rights to Detroit for..........

 

[mydnyte]

your right he isn't good at it and that's why he doesn't score 30 plus considering the opportunities he gets

Keefe coach's to keep Dubie happy and all Dubie understands is what his spread sheet spits out and that is our top line was dominating against Mon regardless of the fact the scoreboard said differently

if this was true Lehtonin would have got a real chance before we shipped him off
coaches decide the lineup, not the GM, because its their job on the line if the team doesnt perform, and Keefe already has 2 strikes

 

[mydnyte]

He's pretty easily a 5M player for the next 3 years going by his regular season production *which is the only means we can look at for our team as we've got playoff chokers whose stats fall heavily once it turns to the playoffs

Hyman should be a 50-60 point player the next 3 seasons playing in a top 6 role and getting PP usage. He's got enough skill and has enough finishing to be able to produce around that level. He's also above average on the defensive side of things and works hard.

The main reason for me not offering 5M x 3 is to reverse the precedent of having no internal or external pay structure.

We saw Toffoli in a cap squeezed covid environment get 4 x 4 last offseason. TT is better than Hyman as a player and is a similar aged player *same draft in 2010

We set an establish a hard external comparable limit at 4M x 4 years. Hyman gets 16M and is in a piston if his body holds up he can earn another 10ishM on his next deal. At 4 x 4 he is able to live up to his deal every year and avoid getting Clarkson like expectations and comparisons

I'd settle begrudgingly for 5M x 3 but he's not worth a dollar more than that for a single season more

based on what, already being played that way and having a career high 41 points? Hyman sucks on the PP, he does NOT have natural offensive skill

 

[Mess]

based on what, already being played that way and having a career high 41 points? Hyman sucks on the PP, he does NOT have natural offensive skill

You need a special skill to stand just outside the crease, take away the goalies eyes by screening him and keeping opposition defenders occupied, all the while taking a physical beating for the good of the team.

People wonder why Leafs had the worst PP down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Hyman is that kind of player that is willing to do whatever it takes in the best interest of the team at his own personal expense, which is the exact opposite of many of his teammates.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The fact that we're lamenting Hyman leaving says a lot about the roster

 

[rumman]

The fact that we're lamenting Hyman leaving says a lot about the roster

Exactly, therein lies the problem.

 

[mydnyte]

You need a special skill to stand just outside the crease, take away the goalies eyes by screening him and keeping opposition defenders occupied, all the while taking a physical beating for the good of the team.

People wonder why Leafs had the worst PP down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Hyman is that kind of player that is willing to do whatever it takes in the best interest of the team at his own personal expense, which is the exact opposite of many of his teammates.

he may be willing, but, he's just not good at it, and it doesnt suit him.
Our PP was great when we had JT in front of the net and we were either setting up Matthews, or JT (and not using the stupid drop back pass)
for whatever reason they wanted to balance the PP and changed things up, and never just went back to the exact same PP they used for first month.
poor move on the coaching staff!!

 

[mydnyte]

Exactly, therein lies the problem.

Leafs fans have always overvalued the hard working underdog player more than the stars on occasion ...some people still think Tie Domi was a good player to the point they want to get his legacy here.

 

[Mess]

The fact that we're lamenting Hyman leaving says a lot about the roster

After the core 4 forwards Hyman is the next best forward we have on the roster at present. Only Matthews, Tavares and Nylander have scored more goals than Zach over the past few years.

Leafs have so little forward depth to fill out the middle of their roster they can't even legally use the 7-3-1 protection formation for the expansion draft unless they include AHLers like Joey Andersen on Adam Brooks.

Even if they resigned Hyman and protected Kerfoot it still be stretch as to who that 7th forward worth protecting would be. Simmonds ??

To me this screams shallow forward depth and that is the exact opposite of what you would expect from a Cup competitive team. If Hyman leaves who is a key piece in Leafs top 6 that just creates a greater hole that needs replacing with little to no cap space to do so.

 

[ToneDog]

After the core 4 forwards Hyman is the next best forward we have on the roster at present. Only Matthews, Tavares and Nylander have scored more goals than Zach over the past few years.

Leafs have so little forward depth to fill out the middle of their roster they can't even legally use the 7-3-1 protection formation for the expansion draft unless they include AHLers like Joey Andersen on Adam Brooks.

Even if they resigned Hyman and protected Kerfoot it still be stretch as to who that 7th forward worth protecting would be. Simmonds ??

To me this screams shallow forward depth and that is the exact opposite of what you would expect from a Cup competitive team. If Hyman leaves who is a key piece in Leafs top 6 that just creates a greater hole that needs replacing with little to no cap space to do so.

Wonder what our haves think when they watch Leafs throw their teammates overboard on a yearly basis because they chose the money.

Mitch is the one we need to throw overboard. His Dad and Ferris can go with him.

 

[rumman]

Leafs fans have always overvalued the hard working underdog player more than the stars on occasion ...some people still think Tie Domi was a good player to the point they want to get his legacy here.

It’s hard to admire the “stars” when they continually choke. It’s easy to appreciate players who despite not being elite talents give it their all. This is easy to understand unless you’ve grown up with a silver spoon up your ass.

 

[Metroid]

Long con game to bring McDavid home?! Lol.
Hope the oilers pay our man well!

 

[Stephen]

Long con game to bring McDavid home?! Lol.
Hope the oilers pay our man well!

The Oilers going after Hyman feels like an overreaction to getting shut down in those 3x games versus Toronto during this season. Kinda like when Nonis went hard in the paint for David Clarkson after he had some big games vs the Leafs when he was with Jersey.

Enjoy!

 

[francis246]

Find a way to get Landeskog. Drop Hyman and Kerfoot. Deal Rielly if the opportunity presents itself and replace with a 4-5M FA defenseman with more term (or gamble on a Liljegren stepping up and gain some $ space); Trading Holl is the other option.

Landeskog-Matthews-Marner would be sick.

agreed 100%! Pay Landeskog and get him here.