Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[myleafs]

During the Stanley Cup finals when James Mirtle reported Hyman days as Leaf might be done because they couldn't afford to keep him.

Just for fun for comparables to Hyman I looked at the NYI roster who were in the final 4, and compared the middle of their roster points and cost to Zach.

NYI: 2020-21 Stats
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Brock Nelson @ $6,000,000........................ 56 games 18 goals 15 assists 33 points
Jordan Eberle @ $5,500,000 .......................55 games 16 goals 17 assists 33 points
Josh Bailey @ $5,000,000 ............................ 54 games 8 goals 27 assists 35 points
Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ $5,000,000...... 54 games 14 goals 14 assists 28 points
vs
Zach Hyman @ $2,250,000 ........................ 43 games 15 goals 18 assists 33 points

Hyman on a Points/g basis produces more, but is comparable actual stats overall.

So its not hard to see the $5 -$6 mil ask and his agent can use when negotiating his new deal, as here is just a random sample I took that had 4 players between $5-6 mil that could be comparables for Zach based on his production and existing NHL contracts.

How is Hyman going to do in Seattle for instance while not playing with the rocket winner and a 90 pt set up man?

 

[TMLAM34]

I’m sure if Hyman leaves it’ll be to a team that has a couple real offensive weapons he can tag along. He’s not going to put himself in a situation he can’t succeed after playing years with guys like Matthews and Marner.

 

[Morgs]

How is Hyman going to do in Seattle for instance while not playing with the rocket winner and a 90 pt set up man?

I feel like he was at his best playing on the 3rd line this past season without them.

I don't know why people are trying to discredit him. The guy is a fantastic player and every year continues to prove people wrong. The issues aren't really about performance, but it's about paying your 5th best forward that amount when 3 of the 4 better than him make ~11M (not that they don't deserve that kind of money), he's 29, he's already started to become injury prone, and his style of play typically doesn't age well.

 

[Mess]

How is Hyman going to do in Seattle for instance while not playing with the rocket winner and a 90 pt set up man?

Probably not going to matter because apparently Kenny Holland of the Oilers are the front runners as they're looking at a wingman for McDavid, so then he will be riding shotgun with the Hart and Art Ross winner instead.

Where Do the Oilers Fit In Here?

First, GM Ken Holland has the money to spend that Leafs’ GM Kyle Dubas does not. With $23 million (maybe more) in cap space, the Oilers top priority is at least one top-six left-winger. Hyman checks off a ton of boxes and if Holland is going to spend big money on a player, there’s a strong argument Hyman is the guy.

If Hyman is looking to maximize his potential for earnings, the Oilers could be high on his list. While other teams have money to spend, not many have the combination of money and an elite playing partner. The Oilers can offer $5.75 – $6 million per season for five or six years and most, if not all of those years will be spent playing beside Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl. That’s a pretty attractive deal for a player looking to get big money and produce big numbers.

 

[Gabriel426]

During the Stanley Cup finals when James Mirtle reported Hyman days as Leaf might be done because they couldn't afford to keep him.

Just for fun for comparables to Hyman I looked at the NYI roster who were in the final 4, and compared the middle of their roster points and cost to Zach.

NYI: 2020-21 Stats
============================================================
Brock Nelson @ $6,000,000........................ 56 games 18 goals 15 assists 33 points
Jordan Eberle @ $5,500,000 .......................55 games 16 goals 17 assists 33 points
Josh Bailey @ $5,000,000 ............................ 54 games 8 goals 27 assists 35 points
Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ $5,000,000...... 54 games 14 goals 14 assists 28 points
vs
Zach Hyman @ $2,250,000 ........................ 43 games 15 goals 18 assists 33 points

Hyman on a Points/g basis produces more, but is comparable actual stats overall.

So its not hard to see the $5 -$6 mil ask and his agent can use when negotiating his new deal, as here is just a random sample I took that had 4 players between $5-6 mil that could be comparables for Zach based on his production and existing NHL contracts.

Well here are non Islanders

Toffoli @ 4.25mil 52 games 28 goals 16 assists 44 points
Brown @ 3.6mil 56 games 21 goals 14 assists 35 points
Kap@ 3.2mil 40 games 11 goals 19 assists 30 points(he signed a year earlier but with the same cap as now)
Kubalik @3.7mil 56 games 17 goals 21 assists 38 points
Lowry @ 3.25mil 52 games 10 goals 14 assists 24 points(played on the 3rd line).

Don't see how he can make more than Toffoli. AS both of them play in the top 6, PK and PP.

 

[hotpaws]

How is Hyman going to do in Seattle for instance while not playing with the rocket winner and a 90 pt set up man?

he'll play like Clarkson did with us

gluing yourself to the front of the net and banging in loose pucks isn't nearly as productive when you don't play with high end offensive players that generate large amounts of offensive opportunities

 

[mydnyte]

How is Hyman going to do in Seattle for instance while not playing with the rocket winner and a 90 pt set up man?

Hyman is a less talented version of Mark Stone and wants to be paid like him
Kinda like when he was finally on the 3rd line and tried to be the offensive superstar of the line. ...in that role, i didnt mind him, but, he has less reason to be on a top line than Stone does, and i think his contract is disgusting

 

[mydnyte]

Probably not going to matter because apparently Kenny Holland of the Oilers are the front runners as they're looking at a wingman for McDavid, so then he will be riding shotgun with the Hart and Art Ross winner instead.

imagine Hyman taking a pass from McD, and skating the puck into the boards and just hug the corner until even Mcd gets tired or moving into open pass spots and skates off for a line change.

think back on how many times Matthews was the first of his shift off the ice, and Hyman the last.

Hyman hasnt realized his only job on the top line is to fetch and retrieve, not play keep away from your star players, or think that he's as good as them and can 'make things happen'

 

[Twine Tickler]

honestly I am a big fan of Zach. I really think some people are undervaluing what this guy has done. He developed a level of skill to his game that is very good. I am completely in agreeance with most when it comes to term and AAV. 6M is way too much and 7years is way too long. 8x5m is just not going to be a deal that matures well IMO. I will always cheer for him, probably one of the most likeable players I've watched in a Leaf uniform in my 30 years of life. He has developed into a better player every year and as much as it goes against logic for him to still be a productive player at age 35, I really wouldn't put it past him. I mean he has proven this fanbase wrong every single year. There were a lot of doubters of his 3-4 years ago. Including myself to some degree.

Take your money Zach, was a pleasure watching you develop into the player you are.

 

[mydnyte]

he'll play like Clarkson did with us

gluing yourself to the front of the net and banging in loose pucks isn't nearly as productive when you don't play with high end offensive players that generate large amounts of offensive opportunities

Hyman isnt good at that though, he loses the puck in his feet, and his reaction time is way too slow to be a net front presence.
He has the size, weight, and desire, but, not the skill/ability to do it properly.

If Hyman had any scoring touch Leafs beat MTL in 5 Hyman had 15 shots in the last 3 games with one point in the series (in a loss)
Game 5
Hyman 6 shots
Matthews 2 shots
Marner 3 shots

Game 6
Hyman 3 shots
Matthews 7 shots
Marner 3 shots

Game 7
Hyman 6 shots
Matthews 3 shots
Marner 2 shots

other than Game 6 where Matthews tried to do it himself, Hyman was shooting and not passing, he's on the line to setup the skill, not pretend to be the skill!!
I have to blame Keefe though, it's like he was a 'fan' believing the Hyman hype the media has been spewing for years, as if he's the reason the great players are great.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I feel like he was at his best playing on the 3rd line this past season without them.

I don't know why people are trying to discredit him. The guy is a fantastic player and every year continues to prove people wrong. The issues aren't really about performance, but it's about paying your 5th best forward that amount when 3 of the 4 better than him make ~11M (not that they don't deserve that kind of money), he's 29, he's already started to become injury prone, and his style of play typically doesn't age well.

this was really the first year he showed that he was capable of driving a line though. He just suddenly become an incredible transition player out of nowhere. If he loses some skating as a result of his knee injuries, I don't think he can drive a 3rd line anymore. I really respect the improvement he made as a player from his first season, but injuries and age catch up to everyone

 

[hotpaws]

Hyman isnt good at that though, he loses the puck in his feet, and his reaction time is way too slow to be a net front presence.
He has the size, weight, and desire, but, not the skill/ability to do it properly.

If Hyman had any scoring touch Leafs beat MTL in 5 Hyman had 15 shots in the last 3 games with one point in the series (in a loss)
Game 5
Hyman 6 shots
Matthews 2 shots
Marner 3 shots

Game 6
Hyman 3 shots
Matthews 7 shots
Marner 3 shots

Game 7
Hyman 6 shots
Matthews 3 shots
Marner 2 shots

other than Game 6 where Matthews tried to do it himself, Hyman was shooting and not passing, he's on the line to setup the skill, not pretend to be the skill!!
I have to blame Keefe though, it's like he was a 'fan' believing the Hyman hype the media has been spewing for years, as if he's the reason the great players are great.

your right he isn't good at it and that's why he doesn't score 30 plus considering the opportunities he gets

Keefe coach's to keep Dubie happy and all Dubie understands is what his spread sheet spits out and that is our top line was dominating against Mon regardless of the fact the scoreboard said differently

 

[keonsbitterness]

Do you expect $2.25 mil players to perform equal to $11 mil players statistically?

Hyman has scored just as many goals as Marner of the course of the last 2 years and not getting paid $11 mil for the same production.

Perhaps that is why Leaf fans don't see Hyman's value because he is expected to contribute like he is being paid $11 mil and not 1/4 of that.

Your Hyman Crusade Tour is......interesting.

With a few exceptions, fans aren't questioning whether he has value as a player. The question is whether to re-sign him and at what price.

Can't believe that a guy who already comes from one of the wealthiest families in Toronto, and already made 10+ million during his career, wants to go for that extra few million instead of taking a discount (which is still more than this forum will ever make, combined) and playing for his childhood team.

Players are so f***ing greedy these days.
So yeah, f*** him, he can go wherever he wants.

I am shocked, SHOCKED, that people would rather make more money than less.

 

[Ciao]

If the discounted ask is 8 years @$5-million per year with a full NTC then I would rather the Leafs pass and Hyman move on elsewhere.

 

[myleafs]

Probably not going to matter because apparently Kenny Holland of the Oilers are the front runners as they're looking at a wingman for McDavid, so then he will be riding shotgun with the Hart and Art Ross winner instead.

Where Do the Oilers Fit In Here?

First, GM Ken Holland has the money to spend that Leafs’ GM Kyle Dubas does not. With $23 million (maybe more) in cap space, the Oilers top priority is at least one top-six left-winger. Hyman checks off a ton of boxes and if Holland is going to spend big money on a player, there’s a strong argument Hyman is the guy.

If Hyman is looking to maximize his potential for earnings, the Oilers could be high on his list. While other teams have money to spend, not many have the combination of money and an elite playing partner. The Oilers can offer $5.75 – $6 million per season for five or six years and most, if not all of those years will be spent playing beside Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl. That’s a pretty attractive deal for a player looking to get big money and produce big numbers.

I mean , if he is going to have success with a bigger than what we want to give him contract, that would be a good place to start.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Can't believe that a guy who already comes from one of the wealthiest families in Toronto, and already made 10+ million during his career, wants to go for that extra few million instead of taking a discount (which is still more than this forum will ever make, combined) and playing for his childhood team.

Players are so f***ing greedy these days.
So yeah, f*** him, he can go wherever he wants.

Marner set the tone.

 

[Rubyblue]

Zach Hyman is the 1st real casualty of the cap mismanagement. Wander if Marner & Mathews give a sh**. The wheels are coming off the bus.

 

[Jozay]

Zach Hyman is the 1st real casualty of the cap mismanagement. Wander if Marner & Mathews give a sh**. The wheels are coming off the bus.

How?

Even if the Leafs had the cap space, it would be stupid to give 5 mill a year for 8 years.

 

[leafsfan5]

Zach Hyman is the 1st real casualty of the cap mismanagement. Wander if Marner & Mathews give a sh**. The wheels are coming off the bus.

Matthews and Marner could've had sweetheart deals and it would still be dumb to give Hyman what he's asking for.

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe Mitch himself coulda chipped in a goal. You know - just 1 goal from Mitch in games 5-7 and who knows, maybe that's all it woulda took for us to take the series.

Nah Mitch prefers apples.

 

[rumman]

Marner set the tone.

Willy took Dubas out to the woodshed first.

 

[rumman]

How?

Even if the Leafs had the cap space, it would be stupid to give 5 mill a year for 8 years.

Maybe if the kids signed team friendly deals Hyman would be more inclined to do likewise if winning a cup is their goal?

 

[TMLeafer]

I don't really get why they're giving him permission. Either way, I dont want to see a AAV over ~4.75.

 

[horner]

Why is every thread end up being a Marner discussion.
Pretty sure if there is a thread watching Leafs games oversea, somehow it will become a Marner discussion.

If your car breaks down it is Marner's fault LMFAO

 

[hockeywiz542]

Zach Hyman wants to stick with Maple Leafs but the offers are rolling in | The Star

At least three NHL teams have made solid offers for Zach Hyman’s services since the Maple Leafs granted the pending unrestricted free agent the right to talk with other teams, the Star has learned.

The Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks and Edmonton Oilers are believed to be the front-runners in the Hyman sweepstakes with the Pittsburgh Penguins, Florida Panthers, Boston Bruins and Detroit Red Wings also making inquiries with agent Todd Reynolds.

The 29-year-old forward’s expressed wish is to remain a Maple Leaf and would offer the team a hometown discount so long as he could get a no-movement clause included in the new contract, opening up the opportunity of playing his entire career with Toronto.

Hyman is coming off a four-year deal that paid him an average annual salary of $2.25 million (U.S.)and had a modified no-trade clause in the final two seasons. He’s proven to be a reliable scorer and one of the league’s top forecheckers as well as a popular player among teammates.

It’s believed Hyman is looking for about $5 million a year over eight seasons to remain in Toronto. But now his camp is getting offers “north” of there, according to a source who was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about the situation.

It would appear that $5 million a year is a price Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas would be hard-pressed to match given the team’s current salary structure. The Leafs have about $9.3 million available, but need to sign at least three forwards, one defenceman and a goalie, with Frederik Andersen also on his way to free agency. That could also change if the Leafs expose and lose forward Alex Kerfoot and his $3.5-million cap hit to Seattle in the expansion draft on Wednesday.

If the Hyman camp finds a deal it wants before free agency strikes July 28, the Leafs could trade his rights and get an asset — perhaps a draft pick or a prospect — in return. But it’s a risky gambit that could walk Hyman right into signing elsewhere when the free-agent market officially opens.