Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[Menzinger]

I personally don't get why Edmonton would be motivated to do a sign and trade.

"Sorry Zach, we ran out of time, but do you still want to come over for 7 years?"

Tunnel vision. Holland may be worried about losing the player and will do stupid things to get him signed rather than think about alternative s

 

[DopeyFish]

could the hyman trade be part of a bigger deal?

I assume at minimum the Leafs will be taking back Klefbom just so they can utilize his LTIR

(his injury appears to be career ending)

 

[stickty111]

See ya Zach. You are a good guy and player. You will be missed.
However this contract will be awful and good on you for getting it.

 

[Stephen]

could the hyman trade be part of a bigger deal?

I assume at minimum the Leafs will be taking back Klefbom just so they can utilize his LTIR

(his injury appears to be career ending)

Wouldn’t Edmonton also benefit from that LTIR? The Keith deal also has some weird cap savings mechanisms should be retire.

 

[Stephen]

Tunnel vision. Holland may be worried about losing the player and will do stupid things to get him signed rather than think about alternative s

Yeah. They’re a mess.

 

[leburn98]

I like Hyman, but if he is legitimately signing an 8 year deal worth 40M+, that's Milan Lucic levels of bad.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Tunnel vision. Holland may be worried about losing the player and will do stupid things to get him signed rather than think about alternative s

Man, I can’t see how even Holland would be stupid enough to pay the Leafs something nice just so they can get an 8th year out of Zach freakin’ Hyman. He isn’t getting 8 (by another team paying something in a sign and trade), or likely even 7, years anywhere else.

I think this is wishful thinking on Leafs’ fans part. But I’ll gladly eat my words if this somehow turns into reality.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

could the hyman trade be part of a bigger deal?

I assume at minimum the Leafs will be taking back Klefbom just so they can utilize his LTIR

(his injury appears to be career ending)

LTIR only helps you if

A) a player is injured for the full season and coming back to help you in the playoffs

or

B) you are under the cap anyways, place the player on LTIR so you can accrue cap space during the season, and again add players for the playoffs.

It is a misconception that LTIR simply allows you to spend more against the cap than normal and Klefbom would provide no benefit to us. In fact it would hurt us. If you are capped out and add Klefbom on top of that we cannot accrue cap space towards the deadline.

 

[Stonehands1990]

LTIR only helps you if

A) a player is injured for the full season and coming back to help you in the playoffs

or

B) you are under the cap anyways, place the player on LTIR so you can accrue cap space during the season, and again add players for the playoffs.

It is a misconception that LTIR simply allows you to spend more against the cap than normal and Klefbom would provide no benefit to us. In fact it would hurt us. If you are capped out and add Klefbom on top of that we cannot accrue cap space towards the deadline.

I like to think I have a good grasp on cap and CBA stuff but I can’t for the life of me figure out how trading for Clarkson LTIR helped us sign Marner

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I like to think I have a good grasp on cap and CBA stuff but I can’t for the life of me figure out how trading for Clarkson LTIR helped us sign Marner

It didn't. Marner kind of screwed us twice by holding out and by signing just before camp.

His camp was claiming they had leverage because we couldn't afford to wait out Marner like we did with Nylander due to the elevated year 1 cap hit.

So Dubas closed that gap by trading for Clarkson to get as close to the ceiling as possible so we could then place Horton and Clarkson on LTIR to accrue the most space possible in the event that Marner held out.

By signing the day before camp it forced us into a position where we could place Horton and Clarkson on LTIR, but we were over the cap to start and we also couldn't accrue cap space that entire season to load up for playoffs. You can live with that payoff for an elite player so long as that player performs in the playoffs. He did not.

We still ended up overpaying as well. Marner's camp screwed this team over more than any GM/Coach/Player.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Based on reports, Zach Hyman is likely looking at a 6 year deal, somewhere in the 5.5M range. James Mirtle on the Leaf report says Hyman won't get 6, but it'll be more than 5, and likely around 5.5, so for simplicity, let us use that 5.5M number.
5.5M x 6 years is a total of 33 million.

Now we know Zach Hyman's history. He's from the GTA, he pretty much forced his way to the Leafs after he was done college, and I believe it was mentioned that he has a newborn, or his wife is pregnant, not sure which.

So, Zach Hyman, who recently turned 29 years of age, on a 6 would deal, would take him until he was 35 years of age. A player like Hyman, by the time he's that age, will likely be in the Wayne Simmonds territory of taking 1M or less deals.

So in the case of Zach Hyman and the Toronto Maple Leafs, who both want to keep the business relationship going, there is a route for an extension.

It doesn't even take a hometown discount for Zach Hyman to get it done either. Let's take that previously speculated 6 years at 5.5M for a total of 33 million, and let's do what no other team in the league is able to do, and tag on an extra 2 seasons, at a value of 1.5M per season.

That brings us to a total of 8 years, and 36 million. The deal would be the typical structure of being front loaded, and heavy bonuses at the beginning. This does 2 things.

1. Bonuses don't get tied up in Escrow, so it puts more money into Hyman's pocket.
2. It makes the contract trade friendly, if needed, at the tail end of the contract
3. If Hyman makes it through the 6 years, the Leafs could buy out the final 2 years, at minimum penalty, due to the structuring of the contract.

For Hyman? He gets his 33 million - 6 year contract, from the Leafs. Gets a favorable structure in terms of signing bonuses. He also gets a guaranteed extra 3M from the Leafs in a spot of his career where he may not be guaranteed that. No hometown discount. No leaving money on the table.

For the Leafs? You get Zach Hyman, who has been the heart of the team for quite a while, at a very workable AAV of 4.5M per season. You protect yourself by making the back end of the deal easily tradable or buy out able. Which is important for a player like Hyman.

Now, if Zach Hyman wanted to give the Leafs a tiny discount, and let's say do the 33 million over 8 years, that would be an AAV of 4.125M. 31 million? 3.875M. 30 million? 3.75M

Now that Expansion Draft is done, expect an announcement of Hyman resigning for 6 over 6. Dubas and Shanny express confidence that the Kiddie Core will figure it out.
IF I DO NOT SEE A CORE SHAKEUP I AM MOVING ON!!!!!

 

[29Potvin]

I like Hyman, but if he is legitimately signing an 8 year deal worth 40M+, that's Milan Lucic levels of bad.

David Clarkson 2.0

 

[Nylander88]

could the hyman trade be part of a bigger deal?

I assume at minimum the Leafs will be taking back Klefbom just so they can utilize his LTIR

(his injury appears to be career ending)

I hope it is the start to another deal at least. We need a culture shake up big time. Cuz so far we have only gotten softer if Foligno, Bogosian, and Hyman go. I'm sure Edmonton wants to get rid of Kassian and his 3 years remaining at 3.2mil. he's shown the ability before to play in the top 6, and is a nasty piece of business. If we can't get an impactful player higher up in the lineup, we're at the point where Simmonds will need to be up with Kerfoot in the 3rd line (Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds for example), and we should be grabbing a guy like Brett Ritchie to play with Spezza and one of the kids in the fourth line (Brooks, Robertson, Anderson)

 

[29Potvin]

I hope it is the start to another deal at least. We need a culture shake up big time. Cuz so far we have only gotten softer if Foligno, Bogosian, and Hyman go. I'm sure Edmonton wants to get rid of Kassian and his 3 years remaining at 3.2mil. he's shown the ability before to play in the top 6, and is a nasty piece of business. If we can't get an impactful player higher up in the lineup, we're at the point where Simmonds will need to be up with Kerfoot in the 3rd line (Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Simmonds for example), and we should be grabbing a guy like Brett Ritchie to play with Spezza and one of the kids in the fourth line (Brooks, Robertson, Anderson)

Mik-Engvall should be traded for picks and replaced with guys that are built for bottom six roles like you indicated- Armin, Bonino, Cizikas, Haula, Nash and Perry fit the billing of true bottom six soldiers that know what their role is on a team.