Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[notbias]

I'm not arguing he unperformed, I'm suggesting that you'd expect Hyman would get maybe 2 goals instead of 1 in a seven game series. To me that's a small miss.
M&M combining for 1 goal in a 7 game series? Entirely different level of failure.

Never should have gotten to the Game 7 scenario you mention.

Why don't you use points? They all underperformed, but one sticks out a lot more than the other two to me.

Matthews had 5x the points as Hyman and Marner 4x

In terms of effectiveness, it went Matthews > Marner > Hyman, Matthews being the clear best player of the 3.

 

[PromisedLand]

We have no idea what the avs offered, the numbers haven’t come out. And I know Matthews and Marner and Nylander didn’t take less but that doesn’t mean that other players wouldn’t to come here and play with Matthews and Marner. We’ll have to wait and see.

It sounds like Landeskog wasn’t even getting an offer close to 6, he got lowballed which means he probably didn’t even get offered much higher than his current AAV at 4.5. I assume Colorado was probably trying to get him at 5.5 over 8 or 5 over 8.

the main board has tweets showing the numbers that includes 6 mill offer on a 5 yr deal

 

[egd27]

Why don't you use points? They all underperformed, but one sticks out a lot more than the other two to me.

Matthews had 5x the points as Hyman and Marner 4x

In terms of effectiveness, it went Matthews > Marner > Hyman, Matthews being the clear best player of the 3.

Tough for Hyman to get assists when M&M couldn't score goals.

So $2.25M Hyman was less effective than our two $11M players. Why would you expect otherwise?

 

[rumman]

Why don't you use points? They all underperformed, but one sticks out a lot more than the other two to me.

Matthews had 5x the points as Hyman and Marner 4x

In terms of effectiveness, it went Matthews > Marner > Hyman, Matthews being the clear best player of the 3.

Why don’t you use salaries?
AM 11.7
MM 10.9
ZH 2.25

 

[notbias]

Tough for Hyman to get assists when M&M couldn't score goals.

So $2.25M Hyman was less effective than our two $11M players. Why would you expect otherwise?

To be fair, Matthews was 5x more effective (not to mention literally every other category - hits, takeaways, giveaways, blocked shots where he beat him, even though this is why even loves Hyman), so I guess the cap hits are justifiable I guess in your eyes?

Points per million
Matthews - .43
Marner - .36
Hyman - .44

Not much separation

"Tough for Hyman to get assists when M&M couldn't score goals."

Also tough to get goals when players can't be set up.

It is just so tiresome with how inconsistent most of you are.

"Dubas sucks, Lou was great" - both zero series wins.
"Keefe sucks, Babcock was great" - both zero series wins.
"M&M suck, we need more Hymans" - Hyman is the worst of the three historically and this season.

Logic is just generally lacking from all your posts.

 

[egd27]

It is just so tiresome with how inconsistent most of you are.

"Dubas sucks, Lou was great" - both zero series wins.
"Keefe sucks, Babcock was great" - both zero series wins.
"M&M suck, we need more Hymans" - Hyman is the worst of the three historically and this season.

Logic is just generally lacking from all your posts.

I've never said Lou was great, I've just referenced his HOF accomplishments, and that IMO he is a better GM than Dubas.

I've never said Babcock was great and I agree it was time to move on from him. But Keefe was a poor choice as a replacement.

I've never said M&M sucked and we need more Hyman's. But I do hold them to a higher standard given their price tag.

If you find those positions illogical, that's your right.

 

[rumman]

I've never said Lou was great, I've just referenced his HOF accomplishments, and that IMO he is a better GM than Dubas.

I've never said Babcock was great and I agree it was time to move on from him. But Keefe was a poor choice as a replacement.

I've never said M&M sucked and we need more Hyman's. But I do hold them to a higher standard given their price tag.

If you find those positions illogical, that's your right.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Antropovsky]

To be fair, Matthews was 5x more effective (not to mention literally every other category - hits, takeaways, giveaways, blocked shots where he beat him, even though this is why even loves Hyman), so I guess the cap hits are justifiable I guess in your eyes?

Points per million
Matthews - .43
Marner - .36
Hyman - .44

Not much separation

"Tough for Hyman to get assists when M&M couldn't score goals."

Also tough to get goals when players can't be set up.

It is just so tiresome with how inconsistent most of you are.

"Dubas sucks, Lou was great" - both zero series wins.
"Keefe sucks, Babcock was great" - both zero series wins.
"M&M suck, we need more Hymans" - Hyman is the worst of the three historically and this season.

Logic is just generally lacking from all your posts.

Sure in a vacuum. Lou was early in the rebuild... he had rookies not guys enterinf their prime. His team wirh rookies performed better than Dubas. Same goes for Babs VS Keefe. Babs teams were underdogs and performed really good. The Columbus series last year was a total embarrassment, against a very weak team.

Hyman has been injured the past post season games... the same can't be said about Marner (not sure about Matthews). You got to go to the dirty areas to get hurt!

Toothless smiles and black eyes don't look good for matthews and Marner - after all they are going head to head daily with their fashionable suits.

 

[keonsbitterness]

My other favourite is when a player is described as a pre-Madonna.

Lots of good players during that era, but music was better before she got famous.

 

[trellaine201]

What stops a team from having a hush hush deal with Hyman now BUT he still goto FA so the team doesn’t have to offer anything for the rights? Not that i expect much back nor does anyone.

 

[Sypher04]

You sign Hyman and hope Seattle takes Kerfoot, and cap problem solved to pay Zach.

Hyman $2.25 mil + Kerfoot $3.5 mil recaptured = potentially $5.75 mil.

Then its Kerfoot that is out the door, and not Hyman and that could simply be chalked up to expansion cost, and you could work with Seattle prior to this all unfolding so all are on board here.

The problem still remains that Hyman isn't worth remotely close to 5.75 mil per

 

[Martin Skoula]

The problem still remains that Hyman isn't worth remotely close to 5.75 mil per

Don't forget that its for 8 years with a full NMC.

 

[Bluelines]

There is still a scenario where Hyman resigns but Kerfoot has to move. I put 4 mil at the goalie position , it does not have to be Ulmark, it could be any goalie.

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[TheBeastCoast]

The amount of cap space we have or don't have has become kind of irrelevant to this discussion honestly. We could have 20 million in cap space and giving Hyman 5.5 with max term wouldn't make sense.

 

[Mess]

The problem still remains that Hyman isn't worth remotely close to 5.75 mil per

Looks like Lou Lam has created a lot of cap space > $ 12 mil with his moves yesterday Ladd/Leddy and I wouldn't be surprised if his UFA target becomes Hyman now.

He is the perfect fit on a blue collar team like and would fit and blend right in well with NYI. In Toronto he is a bit of unicorn because Leafs have very if any players like him.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Looks like Lou Lam has created a lot of cap space > $ 12 mil with his moves yesterday Ladd/Leddy and I wouldn't be surprised if his UFA target becomes Hyman now.

He is the perfect fit on a blue collar team like and would fit and blend right in well with NYI. In Toronto he is a bit of unicorn because Leafs have very if any players like him.

Or he could go offer 6 million to Marleau like the good ole days right?

 

[Metroid]

Looks like Lou Lam has created a lot of cap space > $ 12 mil with his moves yesterday Ladd/Leddy and I wouldn't be surprised if his UFA target becomes Hyman now.

He is the perfect fit on a blue collar team like and would fit and blend right in well with NYI. In Toronto he is a bit of unicorn because Leafs have very if any players like him.

He going for 9+ mil for landy

 

[jiggy35]

Still feel he will cave in the end like the good Toronto kid he is and sign a longer term (4-6 years) for a reasonable aav (3.5-4.5 mil).

Let him take a 2-4 year deal for 6 mil+ elsewhere if not.

 

[hockeywiz542]

SIMMONS SAYS: Getting his Jays home is a big victory for Mark Shapiro | Toronto Sun

HYMAN ABOUT TO CASH IN, FOR BETTER OR WORSE

I worry about Zach Hyman.

Because, in a way, he feels like family. I’ve known his dad for more than 15 years. I watched him play in the GTHL and in the Ontario Provincial League. I’ve known his mother-in-law for almost half a century.

And you want to protect your family.

I worry that free agency is going to put him in a position, economically and hockey-wise, that stretches beyond his many talents. Hyman has spent his entire professional hockey career proving people wrong and exceeding expectations. He’s played more and played better and scored more and been more important for the Maple Leafs than anyone — even Mike Babcock — saw coming.

And he has delivered, in the hardest ways, from the most challenging places. He has scored 31 goals in his past 82 regular-season games with the Leafs. That’s a remarkable number. And now he’s about to cash in on those statistics.

Cash in rather large, it seems. At least $5 million a year. With years of term. Maybe more money than that. So excuse me if I worry about him putting himself in a position where his play and his game don’t necessarily equal his salary. That has, over the years, been known to eat up the occasional player.

Hyman is such a great kid, such a great competitor, you really hope this won’t happen to him.

 

[The CyNick]

Sure in a vacuum. Lou was early in the rebuild... he had rookies not guys enterinf their prime. His team wirh rookies performed better than Dubas. Same goes for Babs VS Keefe. Babs teams were underdogs and performed really good. The Columbus series last year was a total embarrassment, against a very weak team.

Hyman has been injured the past post season games... the same can't be said about Marner (not sure about Matthews). You got to go to the dirty areas to get hurt!

Toothless smiles and black eyes don't look good for matthews and Marner - after all they are going head to head daily with their fashionable suits.

Don't forget their fedoras. Those are really important.

 

[leafsfan5]

There is still a scenario where Hyman resigns but Kerfoot has to move. I put 4 mil at the goalie position , it does not have to be Ulmark, it could be any goalie.

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I hope we don't go this route, that bottom 6 is so bad it's painful. The only guy we can reasonably expect to score is a 38 year old Jason Spezza

 

[hullsy47]

Why don’t you use salaries?
AM 11.7
MM 10.9
ZH 2.25

If Hyman would sign for 3 years he'd get 6
The length kills teams and that's why Seattle can stock a playoff team already
Plus they can do with cap space to spare

 

[rumman]

If Hyman would sign for 3 years he'd get 6
The length kills teams and that's why Seattle can stock a playoff team already
Plus they can do with cap space to spare

Last playoffs Hyman was making 2.5 mil, this has nothing to do with the future.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Mitch lost his hockey dad (Marleau) and now (likely) his line mate brother (Hyman) because he selfishly wanted every penny. Congrats bud, you're rich.

 

[hockeywiz542]

The Leafs are still talking to Zach Hyman but something will have to give — or someone will have to go — for the forward to return | The Star

Is it bye-bye Zach Hyman? Or is there a way for the Maple Leafs to sign their checking dynamo to a long-term deal?

Most critics and insiders maintained Tuesday, one day ahead of the Seattle Kraken expansion draft, that Hyman will explore free agency but two industry sources suggested the Leafs are still at the table in their negotiations with the Hyman camp.

It appears to be a matter of how badly the Leafs want the 29-year-old left winger, who made Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner better players on the club’s top line. He would be difficult to replace. But the math to keep him will be difficult unless Leafs GM Kyle Dubas can shed at least one of the team’s seven contracts in excess of $5 million (U.S.).

Hyman is the big story for the Leafs this week, as the league turns its focus to the expansion and entry drafts. The Leafs will lose a player to Seattle on Wednesday, likely forward Alex Kerfoot, and they don’t have a first-round pick in the entry draft, which starts Friday.

As reported by the Star’s Kevin McGran, it is believed Hyman, a 29-year-old unrestricted free agent, is seeking an eight-year, $40-million deal from the Leafs. The structure of such a deal could also see more of the money front-loaded, though cap restraints will be a dominating factor in how the deal will be paid out. Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are also rumoured to have significant interest.

If the Leafs can somehow pull off a financial miracle and sign Hyman, it is expected a deal will not come until after the expansion and entry drafts. Hyman can officially enter free agency July 28.

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At the moment, the Leafs have $52.215 million committed next year to 11 forwards, including Kerfoot ($3.5 million) and the newly acquired Jarred McCann ($2.94 million), another candidate to be selected by Seattle. Toronto also has $20.019 million committed to six defenceman, and $1.65 million to Jack Campbell, the only goalie signed for next season.

The cap will be $81.5 million in the 2021-22 season, the third straight year at that number, but teams are expecting it to increase by at least a million a year through the potential end of the current CBA in 2025-26 and will factor that into contract negotiations.

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Hyman’s contract would fit better with a larger cap space, and the potential for that will increase if NHL arenas are fully opened to fans in the coming months, and with new TV deals by Turner Sports and ESPN kicking in this coming season. But the math won’t work for this season. If the Leafs want Hyman as part of their core group, they likely will have to remove someone else.