Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[Mess]

I don't deny there are interests bc Hyman is a good player but my question is are all these interested teams willing to pay north of 5mil for Hyman?

According to Kevin McGran of the Toronto Sun he is only aware of 3 current offers from Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver all the other teams have made inquires with his agent but not necessarily submitted contract offers yet.

Hyman's home town discount price to stay with the Leafs is being reported at $5 mil per. But Pierre Lebrun is reporting there is a significant gap between Leads and Hyman at present to stay.

Thursday's move comes one day after TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reported there was a sizeable gap between Hyman's asking price and the Leafs.

 

[mydnyte]

Can't believe that a guy who already comes from one of the wealthiest families in Toronto, and already made 10+ million during his career, wants to go for that extra few million instead of taking a discount (which is still more than this forum will ever make, combined) and playing for his childhood team.

Players are so f***ing greedy these days.
So yeah, f*** him, he can go wherever he wants.

and water is wet ...then again, if anyone was actually in his position, they would likely do the same, as much as they think they wouldnt.

i know a guy who won cups, and cant afford a decent meal now, and he was a top 6 player, but, the 70's or 80's didnt pay like they do now.
before that, pro hockey players needed part time jobs to make ends meet, and now they are reaping the rewards

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I don't deny there are interests bc Hyman is a good player but my question is are all these interested teams willing to pay north of 5mil for Hyman?

Somebody gave Kevin Hayes $7M per season, so yes.

 

[Gabriel426]

Somebody gave Kevin Hayes $7M per season, so yes.

That was pre-covid, but I see your point.

 

[DarkKnight]

What? why would teams be trading for his "rights" when he is a UFA? Did I miss something?

Give teams a head start to sign him.

 

[gabeliscious]

Not sure what is more excessive, the dollar amount or the term. As much as I like Hymen and how he fits in Toronto, I think if he leaves Toronto he will end up on waivers or bought out before his new contract is expired.

Other than Seattle who probably will have lots of cap space, these rumoured teams dont seem have that much cap room that they can offer someone like Hyman $5 million, never mind more than that. I suppose in fairness to Hyman, everyone else got paid, why should he be different. If Nylander as an RFA is good for $7 million than perhaps Hyman is worth $5?

 

[Morgs]

8x5M would probably be horrible in year 2 or 3. Someone is going to pay a lot of money for a player who's style that makes him effective is only gonna last a few more years hoping the injuries don't continue. Hoping it's not the Leafs.

Guy's fantastic, but he's not worth crippling the cap over. I also hope we don't go out looking for his "replacement" as that's just a recipe for disaster.

 

[Mess]

That was pre-covid, but I see your point.

During the Stanley Cup finals when James Mirtle reported Hyman days as Leaf might be done because they couldn't afford to keep him.

Just for fun for comparables to Hyman I looked at the NYI roster who were in the final 4, and compared the middle of their roster points and cost to Zach.

NYI: 2020-21 Stats
============================================================
Brock Nelson @ $6,000,000........................ 56 games 18 goals 15 assists 33 points
Jordan Eberle @ $5,500,000 .......................55 games 16 goals 17 assists 33 points
Josh Bailey @ $5,000,000 ............................ 54 games 8 goals 27 assists 35 points
Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ $5,000,000...... 54 games 14 goals 14 assists 28 points
vs
Zach Hyman @ $2,250,000 ........................ 43 games 15 goals 18 assists 33 points

Hyman on a Points/g basis produces more, but is comparable actual stats overall.

So its not hard to see the $5 -$6 mil ask and his agent can use when negotiating his new deal, as here is just a random sample I took that had 4 players between $5-6 mil that could be comparables for Zach based on his production and existing NHL contracts.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

if the Leafs don't sign Hyman to a ridiculous 8 year contract for over 5 million a year, that should be celebrated. There should be zero people complaining about the Leafs losing him for that price

 

[barilko05]

During the Stanley Cup finals when James Mirtle reported Hyman days as Leaf might be done because they couldn't afford to keep him.

Just for fun for comparables to Hyman I looked at the NYI roster who were in the final 4, and compared the middle of their roster points and cost to Zach.

NYI: 2020-21 Stats
============================================================
Brock Nelson @ $6,000,000........................ 56 games 18 goals 15 assists 33 points
Jordan Eberle @ $5,500,000 .......................55 games 16 goals 17 assists 33 points
Josh Bailey @ $5,000,000 ............................ 54 games 8 goals 27 assists 35 points
Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ $5,000,000...... 54 games 14 goals 14 assists 28 points
vs
Zach Hyman @ $2,250,000 ........................ 43 games 15 goals 18 assists 33 points

Hyman on a Points/g basis produces more, but is comparable actual stats overall.

So its not hard to see the $5 -$6 mil ask and his agent can use when negotiating his new deal, as here is just a random sample I took that had 4 players between $5-6 mil that could be comparables for Zach.

Yeah...but sadly for Zach, Lou doesn't work here anymore...

 

[Smif]

During the Stanley Cup finals when James Mirtle reported Hyman days as Leaf might be done because they couldn't afford to keep him.

Just for fun for comparables to Hyman I looked at the NYI roster who were in the final 4, and compared the middle of their roster points and cost to Zach.

NYI: 2020-21 Stats
============================================================
Brock Nelson @ $6,000,000........................ 56 games 18 goals 15 assists 33 points
Jordan Eberle @ $5,500,000 .......................55 games 16 goals 17 assists 33 points
Josh Bailey @ $5,000,000 ............................ 54 games 8 goals 27 assists 35 points
Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ $5,000,000...... 54 games 14 goals 14 assists 28 points
vs
Zach Hyman @ $2,250,000 ........................ 43 games 15 goals 18 assists 33 points

Hyman on a Points/g basis produces more, but is comparable actual stats overall.

So its not hard to see the $5 -$6 mil ask and his agent can use when negotiating his new deal, as here is just a random sample I took that had 4 players between $5-6 mil that could be comparables for Zach based on his production and existing NHL contracts.

They're top scorer had 45 points last year. Hyman on the Islanders is like a 30-40 point player over 82 games, they play so different there.

 

[Smif]

if the Leafs don't sign Hyman to a ridiculous 8 year contract for over 5 million a year, that should be celebrated. There should be zero people complaining about the Leafs losing him for that price

There shouldn't, but you can bet there will be

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

TSN insiders today were suggesting his asking price is between $5 and $5.5 mil on 5-6 years.

If that is the case and we offered around $4.5m to him he would be nuts to leave. He would make way more than $5m(Difference in over all contract money) over the rest of his life living in Toronto with endorsements...especially if by some miracle we win the Cup.

 

[TGB]

The problem with not signing Hyman is that you're essentially telling the team "Play with heart? Don't get paid".

This might be one cost the Leafs will have to swallow.

 

[hamzarocks]

We should walk away from Hyman for sure at that deal

The issue does become that he's q legit top 6 LW and we have not a single top 6 LW maybe not a top 9 LW of mikheyev doesn't bounce back signed for next year

We are banking Robertson takes one of those spots. Might bring back Galchenyuk for a 2nd line role and hope he can improve his production and decision making

Ideally we get two top 6 LWs and move on from Mikheyev and Engvall in the bottom 6

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Why would anyone want his rights unless they were going to 8 years? I don't think any GM is insane enough to do that.

Ken Holland steps into the chat....

 

[Stephen]

Can't believe that a guy who already comes from one of the wealthiest families in Toronto, and already made 10+ million during his career, wants to go for that extra few million instead of taking a discount (which is still more than this forum will ever make, combined) and playing for his childhood team.

Players are so f***ing greedy these days.
So yeah, f*** him, he can go wherever he wants.

Hyman should feel free to seek employment anywhere he can make the most money for his family. He’s not beholden to the Leafs to give them a discount on their championship project. But like any player there’s a cut off from where he’s a steal and a great foot soldier to where he’ll likely be someone else’s Okposo/Ladd/Clarkson/Horton/Bolland.

 

[IPS]

I'll believe Hyman north of 5.5 when I see it.

Absolutely no way he gets that much. I'm predicting he'll sign in the high 4's on a 5-6 year deal. Teams are operating much differently in this flat cap world.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Keep in mind Darren Dreger also operates like a de facto shill for player agencies.

The worst part is he not even embarrassed by it. He always comes up with crazy pie in the sky numbers for players that no other insider comes close to saying and besides Mitchy he has been pretty much wrong every time.

 

[trellaine201]

5yr x $5M is my best guess.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'll believe Hyman north of 5.5 when I see it.

Absolutely no way he gets that much. I'm predicting he'll sign in the high 4's on a 5-6 year deal. Teams are operating much differently in this flat cap world.

Heard on the radio he turned down 5 million from the Leafs, didn’t hear the term. No idea if accurate.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

OMG that is horribad ...Hyman is going to be this years biggest UFA nightmare.
this is going to be so bad that Gordon Ramsey may need to make a show out of it 'UFA Nightmares'.

The only thing about signing him long term that makes it easier to stomach is that there is pretty much a 95% he goes on LTIR for the last few seasons of his deal. I just can't see him slowly degrade like Lucic did. He will blow a knee out and that's it for him.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

There shouldn't, but you can bet there will be

yeah, it's easy to weed out the people who want the team to do well and the people who want to just complain about everything. Hyman is not a casualty of Marner/Matthews/Dubas. He's a 29 year old with an injury history and a career high of 1 playoff goal

 

[mydnyte]

During the Stanley Cup finals when James Mirtle reported Hyman days as Leaf might be done because they couldn't afford to keep him.

Just for fun for comparables to Hyman I looked at the NYI roster who were in the final 4, and compared the middle of their roster points and cost to Zach.

NYI: 2020-21 Stats
============================================================
Brock Nelson @ $6,000,000........................ 56 games 18 goals 15 assists 33 points
Jordan Eberle @ $5,500,000 .......................55 games 16 goals 17 assists 33 points
Josh Bailey @ $5,000,000 ............................ 54 games 8 goals 27 assists 35 points
Jean-Gabriel Pageau @ $5,000,000...... 54 games 14 goals 14 assists 28 points
vs
Zach Hyman @ $2,250,000 ........................ 43 games 15 goals 18 assists 33 points

Hyman on a Points/g basis produces more, but is comparable actual stats overall.

So its not hard to see the $5 -$6 mil ask and his agent can use when negotiating his new deal, as here is just a random sample I took that had 4 players between $5-6 mil that could be comparables for Zach based on his production and existing NHL contracts.

I'd say every one of those deals with the exception of Nelson is an overpay, and if they were on the Leafs roster, we'd be tearing the GM a new one for crazy bad contracts... but Lou!
Nelson is better than his numbers, Hyman is worse than his numbers.

 

[mydnyte]

The only thing about signing him long term that makes it easier to stomach is that there is pretty much a 95% he goes on LTIR for the last few seasons of his deal. I just can't see him slowly degrade like Lucic did. He will blow a knee out and that's it for him.

I just want him gone, not crippled