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Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

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I guess if you need some logic to lessen the pain of Hyman leaving, his style of play leaves him pretty beat down come playoff time. Playoff Hyman does not look like regular season Hyman. He's only getting older now, so this will get worse. If you're paying Hyman 5.5 mil, you're not sheltering him. Only way to preserve him for playoffs is to shelter him with third line usage. Will Hyman decline due to his style of play requiring youthful healing? Need to consider that before you pay him. RNH has elite skill that does not require that 26 year old healing powers. Backes is a good example of this. As soon as 30 year old biology took over, he became irrelevant.

Hyman is one of my go-to guys though so I'm not on board with losing him. However 5.5 is max for me. >= 5.51 he can go. As long as you have Matthews and JT down the middle your window is open with or without Hyman.
 
Havoc said:
I guess if you need some logic to lessen the pain of Hyman leaving, his style of play leaves him pretty beat down come playoff time. Playoff Hyman does not look like regular season Hyman. He's only getting older now, so this will get worse. If you're paying Hyman 5.5 mil, you're not sheltering him. Only way to preserve him for playoffs is to shelter him with third line usage. Will Hyman decline due to his style of play requiring youthful healing? Need to consider that before you pay him. RNH has elite skill that does not require that 26 year old healing powers. Backes is a good example of this. As soon as 30 year old biology took over, he became irrelevant.

Hyman is one of my go-to guys though so I'm not on board with losing him. However 5.5 is max for me. >= 5.51 he can go. As long as you have Matthews and JT down the middle your window is open with or without Hyman.
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Its kind of ironic that a player that works hard and competes hard and plays physical has more wear and tear on their bodies as a result, so they get paid LESS, while those players that play soft and avoid contract and stay on the perimeter avoid that wear and tear, and so their careers are longer and they get paid MORE to do LESS.

Essentially it rewards those that compete less, and punishes those that compete harder when it comes to contracts and you let the harder working ones walk as a result while retaining the smaller softer ones.

So Zach Hyman is being rewarded for all his blood, sweat and tears by Leafs organization by saying good-bye, because we can't fit you in our cap and we won't pay you for your service and effort because your body won't hold up long-term because you give 100% effort all the time.

A good hockey team one would think would rather get rid of their floaters and keep their hard workers if team success is your goal.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Thanks for the stats. Starting to see why Dubas’s version of the Leafs will always struggle to win the first round.

From the stats I looked at Landy is pretty much a 50pts player beside three years in his career where he played 36, 72 and 54 games. And a few seasons where he was PPG or very close. Hyman never even touch the 50 pts once.
Hyman best season is on pace for around 50 pts where Landy best season is PPG. On top of that Landy will score 20 goals as he has pretty much done that his whole career except for the year he played 37 games where Hyman only done it twice.
I am all for advanced stats but it is only part of the picture.
Landy is a top line winger bc he produces, while Hyman is a top line winger bc of the role he plays on the Leafs.
Landy can play with Bergy and Pasta and that line won’t miss Marchand that much but if you Hyman on that line, doubt it will be as effective.
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Not one of the stats I posted was an "advanced stat".
 
Dreger is such a puppet, a tool used by agents to drive up market value.



Who's signing Zach Hyman for 8 years? Jesus.
Walk away. He's a good player but at 29 years of age with a very recent knee injury this screams to be a regrettable deal.
He's had some pretty good linemates the last few years to get his production. Thanks for the effort and memories but if there's a team out there offering 8 years let them make the mistake.
 
janesy12 said:
Dreger is such a puppet, a tool used by agents to drive up market value.



Who's signing Zach Hyman for 8 years? Jesus.
Walk away. He's a good player but at 29 years of age with a very recent knee injury this screams to be a regrettable deal.
He's had some pretty good linemates the last few years to get his production. Thanks for the effort and memories but if there's a team out there offering 8 years let them make the mistake.
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On TSN that's Hockey yesterday Pierre Lebrun was reporting its a 5-6 year deal at $5-$5.5 mil that Hyman and his agent Todd Reynolds are seeking which the Leafs can't afford but other teams are showing interest and because they've allowed Zach to speak to other teams these are more than just rumours flying around.

Over the course of the last 2 years only Matthews, Tavares and Nylander have scored more goals than Hyman and his effort is what is driving team interest in his services.
 
Mess said:
Its kind of ironic that a player that works hard and competes hard and plays physical has more wear and tear on their bodies as a result, so they get paid LESS, while those players that play soft and avoid contract and stay on the perimeter avoid that wear and tear, and so their careers are longer and they get paid MORE to do LESS.

Essentially it rewards those that compete less, and punishes those that compete harder when it comes to contracts and you let the harder working ones walk as a result while retaining the smaller softer ones.

So Zach Hyman is being rewarded for all his blood, sweat and tears by Leafs organization by saying good-bye, because we can't fit you in our cap and we won't pay you for your service and effort because your body won't hold up long-term because you give 100% effort all the time.

A good hockey team one would think would rather get rid of their floaters and keep their hard workers if team success is your goal.
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Anyone can work hard, not everyone actually has talent
 
Mess said:
On TSN that's Hockey yesterday Pierre Lebrun was reporting its a 5-6 year deal at $5-$5.5 mil that Hyman and his agent Todd Reynolds are seeking which the Leafs can't afford
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The leafs can afford that.
 
zeke said:
Glad they did this.

I have a feeling the offers he gets from other teams will be a bit of a reality check.
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We've had plenty of those reality checks.
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zeke said:
The leafs can afford that.
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Don’t think it is a matter of could but more of a question of should.

Hyman is not worth over 4mil AVV. I don’t mind giving Hyman the terms, heck give him 8 years but the AVV needs to be lower.
 
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paulhiggins said:
If anyone could, why don't most of them? The answer to that one might show what necessary housecleaning and attitude adjustment this team needs. Talent without hard work means unfulfilled potential.
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Or an early Summer. It is like, would you work Over time for Free? You would only do it if it helps you with advance your career(impressing your boss) or for my case, the other person working OT is a very attractive woman. Same with these players, they are getting paid and playing in the playoffs is a pride thing. Right now, most of them don’t want to make the sacrifices yet and is willing to let others do the dirty works. Hope this mentality will change.
 
I think suggesting our "skill" doesn't work hard is asinine.

In the playoffs Marner usually looks like he's working too hard, trying to do too much.

They've been choking. It's not for lack of effort, they just haven't developed the proper mental game or something. Marner isn't taking all these puck over the glass penalties because he's not working, he just doesn't seem to know how to calm down in these big moments.

And again for all of Hyman's hard work, he's been bad in the playoffs too.
 
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paulhiggins said:
If anyone could, why don't most of them? The answer to that one might show what necessary housecleaning and attitude adjustment this team needs. Talent without hard work means unfulfilled potential.
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In Toronto they have established this Rich kids Country Club Society with fat contracts that breed complacency and sense of entitlement players built on high end skill, and so Hyman is a poor fit because he is the antithesis of that. Doesn't fit the image.

Ironically Hyman comes from wealth but acts like he was born on the streets and gives 100% effort for everything he earns.

To fix the Leafs you really need more Hyman types and less of the floater types, because you can't expect just a few players to carry the work load by themselves. IMO
 
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TheDoldrums said:
I think suggesting our "skill" doesn't work hard is asinine.

In the playoffs Marner usually looks like he's working too hard, trying to do too much.

They've been choking. It's not for lack of effort, they just haven't developed the proper mental game or something. Marner isn't taking all these puck over the glass penalties because he's not working, he just doesn't seem to know how to calm down in these big moments.

And again for all of Hyman's hard work, he's been bad in the playoffs too.
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"Don't work hard, work smart". That was always a problem for me. Still is probably.

You can work really hard to push that door open, but until you realize you need to pull, it is not going to open. That does not mean you should just give up opening the door altogether, but the Leafs are not giving up. They just haven't stepped back to realize they need to pull, not push.
 
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Mess said:
Exactly the reason Hyman is in demand for his effort and consistent compete level.

100% correct and that is why the Leafs do so poorly come playoff time because will beats skill and hard work/effort beats talent particularly in the playoffs.

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those are the signs untalented people hang on the wall to try yo make themselves feel better about not having any talent or skill at anything.
 
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those are the signs untalented people hang on the wall to try yo make themselves feel better about not having any talent or skill at anything.
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I'm sure Matthews and Marner feel great about their skillz this season.
 
Guess we can derive some comfort in receiving a return for a pending UFA's rights? While I very much like the player, I can imagine feeling differently about the eventual contract numbers.
 
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