Who would you rather? Danault vs Domi

[Runner77]

What do you mean the fallout? The reality or the hfboard little club reaction?

If it’s so small-minded, are you sure you want to keep spending time here? I’d hate to be part of a “club” that I’d have so little esteem for.

To each his own, I guess.

 

[Supersonic]

Neither should be signed for a cent more than $5.5MM per year absolute max.

I would also rather have Danault than Domi. And you can only have one.

Realistically let’s just trade both

 

[Bacchus1]

I'd keep Domi if I had to keep one. Danault is good at face-offs, and not much else, and we have been good at getting 4th line players to take defensive zone draws ... like Thompson. Danault plays a very boring brand of hockey. Domi put up 70 points a year ago, and could do the same if top C position was cleared for him. But, I would see what the trade market offers for either of them before I made my final decision. If we kept Danault, it would be because we had no one to replace him as a veteran centre and we got a fantastic return on Domi. Danault's demands to be paid like a #1 centre is ridiculous ... if it is true.

But, to be honest, I would consider moving both if the return was good... especially if we could get a solid #3 centre who is good at face-offs in return ... with no delusions of #1 center.

 

[The Great Weal]

Philip Danault hands down, but he's not top 6 material. If he was playing for a team like Tampa, he would be their 4th line center

Lmao no he wouldn't. He would be battling it out with Cirelli for the 2nd line position.

 

[Doc McKenna]

For people telling us to pipe down about radulov, because he is having a bad season. He put up 7 goals and 4 assists in 18 post season games. You know the important ones. IF putting up 7 goals in 18 games means you suck, then how is danaults 13 goals over an entire season somehow great? I mean Danault does have 5 points including his lone empty net goal over his career 16 games in the post season. 2 Assists both times he has played in the playoffs!

But Doc you may ask, he has played for the habs and we don't often make the playoffs. How can you say he has bad playoff stats since he has only ever went to the post season twice....

Yeah because who is our #1C. Might be a correlation for that 'making the playoffs' problem. You don't do that too often with a Bozak like player as your #1C ask Toronto.

I would like to highlight this team issue hasn't been stopping goals as much as putting them into the other teams net. Suzuki had 7 points in 10 games. 4 goals for both KK and Suze(tied Danaults career assists in thier first playoff) When you need the goals most. Yeah I know Gally and Tatar crapped the bed...who was their center to start the playoffs? Can we trade this albatross before things turn bad. Thanks

 

[THE HOFF]

What ? Subban got bridged by MB, when he asked for around 6M/year, a fair contract for a #1D. Subban was better than MB expected and Molson had to pay the man. MB is to blame for this one, not Subban.

Danault will think, "team first" ? That's why he asked to play with Tatar and Gallagher and on the top-6 or it will affect his next signature with us...

Thanks for displaying such a level of ignorance, makes any reply completely irrelevant and unnecessary.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Hockey decision: keep Danault
Financial decision: keep the RFA

I would trade either, but not both.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I'd take Danault if Danault accept to play a specialist role. Like, being in charge of stopping the first line of the other team and play the PK.

If not, I'd take Domi because he's better a getting points, and that's how you win at hockey.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'd take Danault if Danault accept to play a specialist role. Like, being in charge of stopping the first line of the other team and play the PK.

If not, I'd take Domi because he's better a getting points, and that's how you win at hockey.

Dude, I can't believe you're still sporting that avatar. I'd be ok to look at it, if I were bulimic.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Thanks for displaying such a level of ignorance, makes any reply completely irrelevant and unnecessary.

That's rich coming from someone spitting B.S... Everything in my message is factual.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Dude, I can't believe you're still sporting that avatar. I'd be ok to look at it, if I were bulimic.

It for all of us to remember.

 

[KidKaboom]

Voted domi , but we’ll see how things unfold.

First off, P.D. Is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year while M.D. is a restricted Free agent Right now .

Fact of the matter is , négociations will certainly affect who MB would trade (if a trade is to happen) .

If négociations with Domi (Who has changed agents this week) are difficult and we end up with a one year contract (either by arbitration or agreement) Domi will certainly be shopped before he hits unrestricted free agency .

On the Other hand , if Domi signs a reasonable multi year contract before the season starts and Danault refuses to négociate à contract extension and wants to wait until next summer to negociate a deal ... then MB will have no choice but to shop him .

Each day without a contract extension Danault’s value drops until the Trade deadline, especially if he is used as A 3rd line center , which is pretty much what is in store for him . Having clearly voiced his discontent of playing that role immediately after the playoff elimination kinda reveals what the player’s mindset is And could be the reason he gets the boot .

Although I believe Danault to be the more useful player of the two (For the habs next year) , I believe Domi’s league wide value to be superior and so it is possible Domi ends up beeing traded on that basis .

All and all, I believe MB will move someone on draft day ( Unsure who) but if I had to keep one the mentioned ; I’d keep domi. Younger and higher ceiling is pretty much what the habs need RN as we are drowning in flavorless defensive players.

 

[Whitesnake]

Trade Domi. Keep Danault if you can't get your hands on Jenner. This team needs size. Not more midgets. And if you don't trade Gallagher, Keep Caufield. Keep Drouin 'cause you have no choice......you can't keep Domi.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Ever since Kotkaniemi came along, there's been this persistent vocal minority of Habs fans whining over Danault getting to play with Tatar and Gallagher. It's some sort of weird jealousy on Kotkaniemi's behalf or something, and it's turned into hate against Danault. It's like they want to break up the best, most consistent line we have just to pad Kotkaniemi's stats.

You know, Habs can just go out and get better wingers for KK and that problem will be solved. Has nothing to do with Danault.

 

[bsl]

Okay, it's pretty simple. There's a logjam at center for Montreal (who would have ever guessed this???)

We all know the background of everything going on (Domi and Julien had disagreements, Domi was slotted in 4C during play-ins, Domi got a new agent; Danault giving ultimatum: give me top-6 offensive C duties or I leave)...

Who would you rather keep and why?

Personally, I choose Max Domi to stay. The reasons being are:

1. I think he's a better overall player than Danault (not defensively, obviously - but Domi showed us exactly what he's capable of, and that was a marvel to witness);
2. He's better suited going forward, as he would help the team a lot more offensively (defensively the team is much better now than it was a few years ago: we finally have a very solid backup goalie, we have Romanov coming up, etc);
3. He isn't giving ultimatums that might, one, hinder one of Suzuki/Kotkaniemi's progression, and two, be considered a red flag that he might want to bail on us should things not go his way (*ahem* Danault);
4. He's still an RFA and younger and his value has taken a solid dip, whereas Danault's value is at its highest;
5. It's Max Domi! He's fun to have around. Sure he takes stupid ass penalties every now and then, but he drives the play forward, is fun to watch, still has lots of untapped potential. Give him good wingers and watch him kick ass again!

Domi. See my latest posts in the trade thread.

 

[bsl]

Okay, it's pretty simple. There's a logjam at center for Montreal (who would have ever guessed this???)

We all know the background of everything going on (Domi and Julien had disagreements, Domi was slotted in 4C during play-ins, Domi got a new agent; Danault giving ultimatum: give me top-6 offensive C duties or I leave)...

Who would you rather keep and why?

Personally, I choose Max Domi to stay. The reasons being are:

1. I think he's a better overall player than Danault (not defensively, obviously - but Domi showed us exactly what he's capable of, and that was a marvel to witness);
2. He's better suited going forward, as he would help the team a lot more offensively (defensively the team is much better now than it was a few years ago: we finally have a very solid backup goalie, we have Romanov coming up, etc);
3. He isn't giving ultimatums that might, one, hinder one of Suzuki/Kotkaniemi's progression, and two, be considered a red flag that he might want to bail on us should things not go his way (*ahem* Danault);
4. He's still an RFA and younger and his value has taken a solid dip, whereas Danault's value is at its highest;
5. It's Max Domi! He's fun to have around. Sure he takes stupid ass penalties every now and then, but he drives the play forward, is fun to watch, still has lots of untapped potential. Give him good wingers and watch him kick ass again!

Could not agree more. See my posts in the latest trades thread. Habs are stuffed with defence only players. They need offence. Cannot believe the votes for PD. I like and respect PD, but he is not needed. Suzuki Domi and KK should be 1-3 C next year, and Habs have enough D only players to make up for Domi's lapses.

Just mind boggling that people do not get this, especially after years of poor offence from habs, and especially from their centres. Yes Domi was off this year, but he had 70 points 2 years ago. FFS. Danault will never sniff that. Even at 2C.

 

[bsl]

Domi's play didn't actually help much during the play-ins and playoffs, that's the biggest issue.

The other is that he won't be getting 72 points on a team with Suzuki and Kotkaniemi.

He'll get 60+ playing 2C for 2 years while KK matures at 3C. Incredible how everyone is assuming KK is ready for a 2C role. He is not.

Mark me, Habs will trade Domi and be pure ass at offence again next year while PD plays 2C all year. I am willing to bet on this. Anybody up for it?

 

[bsl]

One of the most clueless posts I’ve ever read

No it isn't. What is clueless about it? Please explain. If you want to supportPD, that's fine. There is a lot to like about him. But useless posts like that are not helping your case.

 

[bsl]

So Domi needs second-line linemates to produce against 4th liners?

Uh yeah DA, there are three players on each line, including the opponent's, and those players are very good, even on the fourth line. I think expecting Domi to skate through 5 players alone without help is a bit much perhaps? Bit surprised at your post here.

 

[le_sean]

No it isn't. What is clueless about it? Please explain. If you want to defend PD, that's fine. But useless posts like that are not helping your case.

That somehow Danault doesn’t merit the opportunities he’s been given. He was put with Tatar and Gallagher and it’s one of the most effective lines in the NHL. It’s not his fault that people are mad that it’s our best line. People are upset that it works, which is clueless, like the post. Then the nonsense that somehow Domi is allowed to play half-assed in the playoffs because he has a pre-existing condition. That is also clueless. Sorry you couldn’t see through his awful argument.

 

[bsl]

Okay, it's pretty simple. There's a logjam at center for Montreal (who would have ever guessed this???)

We all know the background of everything going on (Domi and Julien had disagreements, Domi was slotted in 4C during play-ins, Domi got a new agent; Danault giving ultimatum: give me top-6 offensive C duties or I leave)...

Who would you rather keep and why?

Personally, I choose Max Domi to stay. The reasons being are:

1. I think he's a better overall player than Danault (not defensively, obviously - but Domi showed us exactly what he's capable of, and that was a marvel to witness);
2. He's better suited going forward, as he would help the team a lot more offensively (defensively the team is much better now than it was a few years ago: we finally have a very solid backup goalie, we have Romanov coming up, etc);
3. He isn't giving ultimatums that might, one, hinder one of Suzuki/Kotkaniemi's progression, and two, be considered a red flag that he might want to bail on us should things not go his way (*ahem* Danault);
4. He's still an RFA and younger and his value has taken a solid dip, whereas Danault's value is at its highest;
5. It's Max Domi! He's fun to have around. Sure he takes stupid ass penalties every now and then, but he drives the play forward, is fun to watch, still has lots of untapped potential. Give him good wingers and watch him kick ass again!

I have to say this finally. Time after time in my 11 years here I have seen a minority defending an idea, while a majority just refuses to consider it. And many times the minority has turned out right. The criticism of Timmins that started with a very small minority, including me, about 6 years ago is a good example. I think now a majority of posters are at the very least nervous about Timmins.

With divisive questions, I have never seen a person in the majority change their mind here due to reasoned arguments at the time. Not once. It always took time to convince all of them.
Mark my words, I am certain trading Domi over Danault is a mistake. And I believe time will tell.

 

[bsl]

I would look at this another way. As much as Danault excels on defence, fact is that defence can be taught and scoring can't.

Danault will never be an offensive producer like Domi can be.

This team lacks first line wingers with size. I would trade the one that nets us that piece we're sorely lacking. If that trading asset is Danault, then Domi can fill at 3C, where he can provide greater offence than Danault. Team still lacks scoring. Trading Danault for a scoring winger and adding Domi as the 3rd line C will add offensive weapons.

However, it will never happen. Julien will fight tooth an nail for Danault to stay.

Agreed, and BTW, when KK struggles at 2C next year 1 month in, and Julien replaces him with 13 goal on first line with best wingers PD, don't come crying to me missing Domi.

 

[bsl]

Not sure if anyone else noticed but Danault’s linemates didn’t exactly tear it up without them. If he is such a drain on that line I’d expect Gally and Tatar to produce more without him.

Reality is, that is a very good line and Phil is a big part of it. Weshouldn’t be trying to break it up we should be adding to the forward group to support KK and Suzuki.

This argument is so tired. Danault is not a drag on that line, but nor is he a driver or threat. And most importantly, he cannot score goals. That puts the line at a massive disadvantage. A number 1C and 2C must be able to score goals (20 or 25 is fine) or the line is not a threat. How my times do I have to write this?

 

[bsl]

Ever since Kotkaniemi came along, there's been this persistent vocal minority of Habs fans whining over Danault getting to play with Tatar and Gallagher. It's some sort of weird jealousy on Kotkaniemi's behalf or something, and it's turned into hate against Danault. It's like they want to break up the best, most consistent line we have just to pad Kotkaniemi's stats.

You know, Habs can just go out and get better wingers for KK and that problem will be solved. Has nothing to do with Danault.

Or ya know Habs top line with PD is pretty shit compared to 75% of other team's top lines. No use trying to improve that I guess.

 

[bsl]

That somehow Danault doesn’t merit the opportunities he’s been given. He was put with Tatar and Gallagher and it’s one of the most effective lines in the NHL. It’s not his fault that people are mad that it’s our best line. People are upset that it works, which is clueless, like the post. Then the nonsense that somehow Domi is allowed to play half-assed in the playoffs because he has a pre-existing condition. That is also clueless. Sorry you couldn’t see through his awful argument.

That's cool. At least there is an argument there. I don't agree that the habs top line is anywhere near tops in the NHL, primarily because the C man on it can't score goals, but it's not a terrible line fair enough.

I just think it could be a lot better with Suzuki, who does score goals. And that line 2 would be better with Domi, who has offensive skill. (KK is not ready for line 2, people here are dreaming.) That leaves KK or PD for line 3. My choice is KK, and it's not even close.