Who would you rather? Danault vs Domi

[WeThreeKings]

Too many people aren't answering the question with context attached.

Domi wants and needs offensive opportunities and will ask for money that goes to a 50-70 pt centerman.
Danault wants to be a top 6 center and play with our best wingers, and get paid like a first line center (the role he was given for 3 seasons because of no other options).

Domi is a RFA
Danault will be a UFA.

You can't just say "Danault because he's the perfect 3C" and ignore the fact he doesn't want that role and doesn't want to be compensated in line with that assessment.. he's a UFA and he doesn't HAVE to sign with us.

 

[DAChampion]

Kevin Hayes got 7M$+ and his offense is similar to Danault (a bit worst honestly) and he has nowhere near as good defense.

You know this past season that Danault was pacing for 54 points over 82 games, while Radulov was pacing for....46? Significant edge to Danault on defense, and position, and age. Also - Radulov gets to play with Benn + Seguin, way more talent then forwards on Montreal Danault plays with.

I wouldn't be so quick to make the Radulov to Danault comparison as a way to mock Danault...

And Radulov had 72 points the two seasons before that, which is something that Danault will never be able to do.

And Radulov has 7 goals and 11 points in these platoffs, which is something that Danault will never be able to do.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

What now?

7 millions for a player averaging under 50 pts as a borderline 1st C, that scores about 12 goals a year?

 

[bobholly39]

And Radulov had 72 points the two seasons before that, which is something that Danault will never be able to do.

And Radulov has 7 goals and 11 points in these platoffs, which is something that Danault will never be able to do.

Not sure what your point is with the cap. Its not going down? If Hayes can get 7M Danault certainly can too.

I know Radulov had 2 better seasons. Did you even read my post? I said i was worried about him long term. I was fine with 2-3yr contract, beyond that i was less sure at a high cap hit. And his offense this past season dipped significantly.

 

[DAChampion]

Not sure what your point is with the cap. Its not going down? If Hayes can get 7M Danault certainly can too.

I know Radulov had 2 better seasons. Did you even read my post? I said i was worried about him long term. I was fine with 2-3yr contract, beyond that i was less sure at a high cap hit. And his offense this past season dipped significantly.

Players are more likely to get large contracts in years when the cap is going up. Now that the cap will be staying flat for the next three years we will be seeing fewer mega contracts go up.

Radulov was injured this year, but he now has a vastly superior playoff performance than Danault ever will. And Danault is currently in his prime and will also start declining soon.

 

[Habs Icing]

Too many people aren't answering the question with context attached.

Domi wants and needs offensive opportunities and will ask for money that goes to a 50-70 pt centerman.
Danault wants to be a top 6 center and play with our best wingers, and get paid like a first line center (the role he was given for 3 seasons because of no other options).

Domi is a RFA
Danault will be a UFA.

You can't just say "Danault because he's the perfect 3C" and ignore the fact he doesn't want that role and doesn't want to be compensated in line with that assessment.. he's a UFA and he doesn't HAVE to sign with us.

BINGO! Someone who gets it.

 

[Habs Icing]

What now?

7 millions for a player averaging under 50 pts as a borderline 2nd C, that scores about 12 goals a year?

I corrected your typo

 

[bobholly39]

Players are more likely to get large contracts in years when the cap is going up. Now that the cap will be staying flat for the next three years we will be seeing fewer mega contracts go up.

Radulov was injured this year, but he now has a vastly superior playoff performance than Danault ever will. And Danault is currently in his prime and will also start declining soon.

Danault is 27 Radulov 34. 2 way centers also tend to age better than offensive wingers. Don't think Danault starts to decline soon

Yes Radulov is great in playoffs. Not going to dispute that.

4 years from now - if we look back and compare the previous 7 years head to head Danault to Radulov - I expect that Danault's value as a player will have been higher for that 7 year stretch of Radulov's contract.

For whatever reason - fans are too enthralled with Radulov here.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Man I feel like many fans here are severely under estimating how much Danault is worth or going to get in salary...



On the open market, guarantee he can get 7M$ long term (4-5+ years). 4.5M$ is on the very low end. Kevin Hayes got 7M$+ and his offense is similar to Danault (a bit worst honestly) and he has nowhere near as good defense.



I was always concerned about signing Radulov long-term. He's the type of player who I felt could drop off significantly long term. 2-3 year contract fine, but if you start looking at 5+ years, the last years of contracts would be a killer.

You know this past season that Danault was pacing for 54 points over 82 games, while Radulov was pacing for....46? Significant edge to Danault on defense, and position, and age. Also - Radulov gets to play with Benn + Seguin, way more talent then forwards on Montreal Danault plays with.

I wouldn't be so quick to make the Radulov to Danault comparison as a way to mock Danault...

Way to ignore Radu was playing injured this season and how he eclipsed Danault offensively the two seasons before. Also ignoring the Covid Cup, where Radu has been far more productive.

And as usual, you completely miss the point, which was not to put down Danault, but to show how ridiculous management is.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Not sure what your point is with the cap. Its not going down? If Hayes can get 7M Danault certainly can too.

I know Radulov had 2 better seasons. Did you even read my post? I said i was worried about him long term. I was fine with 2-3yr contract, beyond that i was less sure at a high cap hit. And his offense this past season dipped significantly.

Tell me, are you ready to sign Petry over 3 years?

 

[bobholly39]

Way to ignore Radu was playing injured this season and how he eclipsed Danault offensively the two seasons before. Also ignoring the Covid Cup, where Radu has been far more productive.

And as usual, you completely miss the point, which was not to put down Danault, but to show how ridiculous management is.

The only one missing the point - as usual - is yourself, not me.

Your point was to show how ridiculous management was. Very obvious. My point is to disagree with you - because I wasn't too keen on signing Radulov back there. Yet again - you're the one missing the point.

I know Radulov had 2 good seasons. Did you not read my post? It's in basic english. Want me to post in French next time, maybe easier to understand? I specifically said I feared Radulov would drop off over the long-term. How does that imply the immediate 2 years after his contract, where he did well?

In year 3 he had a bad year. He's alreay 34 years old. I'm not sure how many strong offensive seasons he has left in the tank. If he settles into an unmotivated ~40-50 point winger who doesn't play much defense - that's a bad contract.

In contrast - I think Danault has the type of skillset that will age quite well. No he won't ever be as good as Radulov at his best, but i feel he'll be a lot more consistent, and he brings more outside of offense.

Tell me, are you ready to sign Petry over 3 years?

Yes, I am. I'd go up to 5 years, or 4 at a higher cap hit. 6-7 is much more worrisome, due to age. Why?
I like his skillset a ton - and I think defensemen tend to age well.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Tell me, are you ready to sign Petry over 3 years?

I think Petry ages better than Weber in his mid 30's. So yeah, I'd sign Petry to 36/37 depending on the AAV he ask for. Signing Petry for 4 years would overlap Weber by 2 if Weber retires after his age 37 season. To many people worried about 33-36 age range.

Do you think Petry looses his skating from 32-37?

 

[Habs Icing]

To put some perspective in Domi's numbers the last two years.

1) After scoring 72 points with basically 3rd line players in his first season, the coaching staff decided they would not give him 2nd line wingers in his second season but would bounce him around the lineup with every Tom, Dick and Harry.

2) Despite all that, he was 31st among all centers in points accumulated for the two years in Montreal with 116 points and a +17. He is ahead of centers that many posters on this site are drooling to get such as: Krecji, Horvat, Duchenes, Hertl, Schenn, Dubois, Couture, Nelson, Marchessault, Johanssen, the Strome brothers.

 

[Kriss E]

I don't know that Danault can't be a 2C on some other team. If he can be moved as 2C value and he becomes a key piece in filling a need on the top 6, you gotta consider that deal.

Id happily move him if there's an interesting piece on the table either directly or indirectly.

 

[ahmedou]

The one with the better attitude and character

 

[Habs Halifax]

To put some perspective in Domi's numbers the last two years.

1) After scoring 72 points with basically 3rd line players in his first season, the coaching staff decided they would not give him 2nd line wingers in his second season but would bounce him around the lineup with every Tom, Dick and Harry.

2) Despite all that, he was 31st among all centers in points accumulated for the two years in Montreal with 116 points and a +17. He is ahead of centers that many posters on this site are drooling to get such as: Krecji, Horvat, Duchenes, Hertl, Schenn, Dubois, Couture, Nelson, Marchessault, Johanssen, the Strome brothers.

100% agree. Domi has way more trade value than 75% of our own fan base realizes! His age 23 season he was a hero and they would not trade him for Laine and this past season he is a zero and some would trade him for Josh Anderson. Comical

I have no doubt the phone is ringing on Domi but it will come down to circumstance like Patch... Got to find a team Domi would extend and also offer us the pieces we need that they can spare. Difficult to do but not impossible. I'm sure there is lots of chatter going on

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yes, I am. I'd go up to 5 years, or 4 at a higher cap hit. 6-7 is much more worrisome, due to age. Why?
I like his skillset a ton - and I think defensemen tend to age well.

It was a trick question you fell for, meant to show your bias.

Jeff Petry will be 33 years old in 3 months from now.

Radulov is 18 months older and has two years left on his contract, which will bring him to 36 years old.

Signing Petry for 3 years would bring him to the same age.

But you couldn't resist displaying your bias even more, you're even willing to extend Petry up until he is 38 years old. He's not Andrei Markov either.

It's pityful how you'll give any excuse to justify this horrible management.

as fir the rest, yes you missed the point. It's pointless debating with you. You completely ignore arguments or brish them over. You are completely biased towards management. Go argue your fantasies with someone else.


Goodbye.

 

[bobholly39]

It was a trick question you fell for, meant to show your bias.

Jeff Petry will be 33 years old in 3 months from now.

Radulov is 18 months older and has two years left on his contract, which will bring him to 36 years old.

Signing Petry for 3 years would bring him to the same age.

But you couldn't resist displaying your bias even more, you're even willing to extend Petry up until he is 38 years old. He's not Andrei Markov either.

It's pityful how you'll give any excuse to justify this horrible management.

as fir the rest, yes you missed the point. It's pointless debating with you. You completely ignore arguments or brish them over. You are completely biased towards management. Go argue your fantasies with someone else.


Goodbye.

You realize different players age differently, right? I mean - it's not like i didn't say exactly that in both of my posts... I felt Radulov would age poorly (and so far, in his 3rd year, he's showing signs of that). I also say I think a player like Danault or Petry will age better. Do you need me to dumb it down further for you and show you historical examples of players elites in their late 30s vs players who declined significantly still in their late 20s?

Why is that so hard to understand?

Goodbye indeed. Hopefully you leave this sub-forum altogether. Engaging with actual Hab fans is more enjoyable.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

I corrected your typo

Well he played with Radulov and Pacioretty and then Tatar and Gallagher most of the time. Centering the best wingers most of the time, makes you a borderline 1st C.

 

[calder candidate]

out of the two I keep Danault but him being a UFA and looking for a raise, is a issue. Domi probably looking for too much money as well...

I don’t care who they trade or if the trade both as long as they get value, you can’t lose those type of trades.

 

[peate]

The one with the better attitude and character

So in other words, neither.

 

[malton]

Danault can be one of the best if not the best 3rd line C in the league. If he accepts that role we are in a great position.

 

[malton]

Too many people aren't answering the question with context attached.

Domi wants and needs offensive opportunities and will ask for money that goes to a 50-70 pt centerman.
Danault wants to be a top 6 center and play with our best wingers, and get paid like a first line center (the role he was given for 3 seasons because of no other options).

Domi is a RFA
Danault will be a UFA.

You can't just say "Danault because he's the perfect 3C" and ignore the fact he doesn't want that role and doesn't want to be compensated in line with that assessment.. he's a UFA and he doesn't HAVE to sign with us.

Do you believe anybody will pay Danault as a top 6 C with the salary cap plateauing?

 

[peate]

Danault can be one of the best if not the best 3rd line C in the league. If he accepts that role we are in a great position.

He values himself for what he isn't instead of what he is. You're correct, there aren't too many good 3rd line centers around who can penalty kill, and take face offs at crucial times. Still not worth more than 4.5 mil.

 

[malton]

He values himself for what he isn't instead of what he is. You're correct, there aren't too many good 3rd line centers around who can penalty kill, and take face offs at crucial times. Still not worth more than 4.5 mil.

For sure, but i don't think it matters what he thinks of himself. It only matters what other GMs think and if they're willing to break the bank on a player like Danault.