Who Wins The Conn Smythe Trophy?

[sjsharks92]

Two things can be simultaneously true:

The Florida Panthers were the better overall team.

Conner McDavid was by far the best individual player on the ice in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

The Panthers are deserving Stanley Cup champs and the most well constructed and well rounded roster in the NHL. Conner McDavid is a deserving Conn Smythe winner for putting up one of the best individual playoff runs ever.

McDavid winning Conn Smythe does not takeaway from the Panthers' Stanley Cup run in any capacity and I doubt anyone in the organization is concerned with it at all.

 

[reino]

Then they should actually HOLD THE VOTE AFTER THE GAMES ARE OVER! They don't and so it makes perfect sense to me that people would vote for McDavid. They could have still won when the vote was held and he was clearly the biggest difference maker in the Finals and in the playoffs overall.

Yep I just learned that they voted before game over. So yes now I understand completely why Mcdee won it.

 

[Neil Racki]

Congrats to Connor, Im sure hes bummed. At times he looked like a man amongst boys but ... he didnt take over games.

Odd.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Mcdavid accepted the Conn Smythe trophy the same way he played game 6 and 7....invisibly.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Oh, I also completely forgot to mention McDavid had something like one point 5v5 against Florida when Barkov was on the ice.

SHUT. DOWN.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803180372114678172

 

[Lshap]

Barkov's job was not to score. It was to neutralize McDavid. Which he did more often than not. There is more to life than offensive stats.

As for "playoffs as a whole": McDavid was not even the best Oilers forward in the first two series.

Barkov is a terrific player, but if 'neutralizing' McDavid means limiting him to 11 points, it only reinforces how much better McDavid is.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Barkov is a terrific player, but if 'neutralizing' McDavid means limiting him to 11 points, it only reinforces how much better McDavid is.

See below

Oh, I also completely forgot to mention McDavid had something like one point 5v5 against Florida when Barkov was on the ice.

SHUT. DOWN.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803180372114678172

McDavid did zip against Barkov. Most of McDavid's three games worth of production came with Barkov off the ice.

 

[Emerald Duck]

HF still remembers players like Chris Chelios who decided to skip the handshake line after a playoff series from 20 years ago.

I'm sure we'll hear about McDavid's non acceptance of the Conn Smythe trophy for many years to come, and the stigma will remain long after the debate about whether McDavid or a Panther deserved the reward.

 

[Lshap]

See below



McDavid did zip against Barkov. Most of McDavid's three games worth of production came with Barkov off the ice.

More spin.

SCF: 11 pts
Playoffs: 42 pts.

 

[roon]

Oh, I also completely forgot to mention McDavid had something like one point 5v5 against Florida when Barkov was on the ice.

SHUT. DOWN.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803180372114678172

In addition to navigating NHL.com you can follow hockey stat X accounts for your hot takes.

A true fan from Florida.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Think people are over-reacting about him not coming out. No-win situation for him there.

This.

If he would of came out th exact same people would be stating he’s a selfish player who only cares about individual awards

 

[Shane Diesel]

More spin.

SCF: 11 pts
Playoffs: 42 pts.

Did Barkov shut down McDavid or not?

Of course you don't want to parse the numbers any further than cursory totals because it continues to chip away at your argument.

In addition to navigating NHL.com you can follow hockey stat X accounts for your hot takes.

A true fan from Florida.

Any sort of rebuttal or just more thin-skinned insults because the numbers don't back up your gut?

 

[Sentinel]

Barkov is a terrific player, but if 'neutralizing' McDavid means limiting him to 11 points, it only reinforces how much better McDavid is.

For those in the back row:
4 games > 3 games.
It doesn't matter how many points did McD scored in the blowouts.

 

[Lshap]

For those in the back row:
4 games > 3 games.
It doesn't matter how many points did McD scored in the blowouts.

I'm guessing you'll happily count Barkov's point in Florida's 5-1 blowout loss.

SCF: 11 pts.
Playoffs: 42 pts.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Like changing the subject and not staying on topic?

But I'll direct this toward you now: Do you think not showing up in four games out of seven is playing well overall?

If you think McDavud didn’t show up those other games you either have a massive bias or didn’t actually watch the games.

Bobroavky was playing out of his mind those games and McDavid was creating chances left and right

They don’t sniff game 7 without him, what a ridiculous take

 

[Shane Diesel]

If you think McDavud didn’t show up those other games you either have a massive bias or didn’t actually watch the games.

I said Barkov shut him down. Which is accurate based on the links I've happily provided.

Is one point in four games showing up when your primary purpose is scoring?

Bobroavky was playing out of his mind those games and McDavid was creating chances left and right

They don’t sniff game 7 without him, what a ridiculous take

And he did nothing in game six or seven either. Congrats.

 

[Lshap]

Did Barkov shut down McDavid or not?

Of course you don't want to parse the numbers any further than cursory totals because it continues to chip away at your argument.

Any sort of rebuttal or just more thin-skinned insults because the numbers don't back up your gut?

Extracting moments when McDavid didn't score doesn't negate the incredible number of times he did score.

SCF: 11 pts.
Playoffs: 42 pts.

You ran out of bullets five hours ago. To quote Monty Python: "This isn't an argument, it's contradiction!"

And your inevitable reply: "No it isn't!"

(C'mon man... lighten up!)

 

[Chinaski89]

I'd assume Mcdavid sees the conn smythe as nothing more than a participation trophy.

Those are super-duper popular with his generation if my gf and her friends are decent barometers…

 

[Hank Plank]

I'm guessing you'll happily count Barkov's point in Florida's 5-1 blowout loss.

SCF: 11 pts.
Playoffs: 42 pts.

I'm sure Florida fans have done the math and are now devastated.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Extracting moments when McDavid didn't score doesn't negate the incredible number of times he did score.

SCF: 11 pts.
Playoffs: 42 pts.

You ran out of bullets five hours ago. To quote Monty Python: "This isn't an argument, it's contradiction!"

If you keep repeating it then it'll definitely come true.

And your inevitable reply: "No it isn't!"

(C'mon man... lighten up!)

Now you're just accusing me of the things you're doing. Posting the same thing over and over.

And your reply to anything I post: 11 points in seven games is good.

Ignoring 91% of his Finals production came in three games and 9% came in the other four.

Out of curiosity, had the series gone the same way, but instead of 11 points across four games he put up all of them in one game and was shut out the rest would you still say he played well?

Because gross points is all you have. You sure can't argue he was consistent from game-to-game and he definitely struggled to put up points when Barkov went head-to-head, but sure. He was fantastic.

 

[ratbid]

I kind of like that McDavid didn't come out for the Conn Smythe. I guess you could say its poor sportsmanship, but does he really need to awkwardly come onto the ice in the middle of the Panthers celebration, in their building, to accept an individual award?

The Captain was in the room with his team. The Smythe should either be awarded to the top player on the winning team, or should be handed out at the NHL awards to be honest.

 

[roon]

Did Barkov shut down McDavid or not?

Of course you don't want to parse the numbers any further than cursory totals because it continues to chip away at your argument.

Any sort of rebuttal or just more thin-skinned insults because the numbers don't back up your gut?

McDavid broke the playoff assist record set by Gretzky. Scored 10 more points than any other skater.

Exactly what numbers don't back up my gut? The 2 games you seem fixated on when the CST looks at the entire playoffs?

 

[Lshap]

If you keep repeating it then it'll definitely come true.


Now you're just accusing me of the things you're doing. Posting the same thing over and over.

And your reply to anything I post: 11 points in seven games is good.

Ignoring 91% of his Finals production came in three games and 9% came in the other four.

Out of curiosity, had the series gone the same way, but instead of 11 points across four games he put up all of them in one game and was shut out the rest would you still say he played well?

Because gross points is all you have. You sure can't argue he was consistent from game-to-game and he definitely struggled to put up points when Barkov went head-to-head, but sure. He was fantastic.

Thanks for another random factoid that completely ignores what McDavid did.

As you continue spinning faster than a particle accelerator, a reminder that the onus is on you to show how one of the greatest playoff performances in history is unworthy of the CS and inferior to a player who got 20 less points. McDavid's numbers (11 pts in the SCF, 42 pts in the playoffs, in case you forgot) don't need me to prop them up.

 

[PB37]

Oh, I also completely forgot to mention McDavid had something like one point 5v5 against Florida when Barkov was on the ice.

SHUT. DOWN.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1803180372114678172

Do we have updated stats for the series or just those games?

 

[New User Name]

Why are people upset the McDavid wasn't on the ice when the CS announcement was made?

Who knows, maybe he decided not to, the Oilers decided he shouldn't be, or the league decided he shouldn't be.

Once the game is over, it's all about the Panthers and the most important trophy, the Cup.

Some of you would be whining he shouldn't be out there taking some of the attention away from the Panthers celebration.

God, I'm beginning to f***ing hate hfboards and the pettiness of some people.