Who Wins The Conn Smythe Trophy?

[roon]

Barkov was better than McDavid in 4 games out of 7. Speaking of "mental gymnastics"...

By what measure?

 

[Sentinel]

Because it's an awards show and he's expected to be there.

My God, the pretzels people turn themselves into to discredit him.

The Cup is the only trophy that matters and any player would turn in all awards for it.

He was certainly expected to be out there receiving the Smythe LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAYER BEFORE HIM!

By what measure?

Dude, seriously? I don't know... rewatch the games, maybe.

 

[Fatass]

See this is my point. If he went out there it wouldn't have changed anything. In the grand scheme of things, all trophies except the Cup are meaningless.

And McDavid clearly understands that the Cup is tied to his legacy. No Cup = no true greatness. He can golf with the true Cup winner greats but it will be empty to him. That’s the key here. McDavid knows.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He was certainly expected to be out there receiving the Smythe LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAYER BEFORE HIM!


Dude, seriously? I don't know... rewatch the games, maybe.

Something about jumping off bridges. If he accepted it he would've been accused of only caring about individual awards.

 

[roon]

He scored 10 out of his 11 points in three games. In the other four games he managed one point.

You think showing up in three games out of seven is playing well for an entire series?

I'm not sure it was McDavid that didn't show up - it was his supporting cast that no-showed.

Florida game planned around McDavid - Knoblauch got out coached on this one and the supporting cast didn't show up and make Florida pay for stacking the deck against McDavids line.

 

[Shane Diesel]

I'm not sure it was McDavid that didn't show up - it was his supporting cast that no-showed.

Florida game planned around McDavid - Knoblauch got out coached on this one and the supporting cast didn't show up and make Florida pay for stacking the deck against McDavids line.

Cope. Since when does the greatest player since Gretzky need others to produce?

 

[roon]

Dude, seriously? I don't know... rewatch the games, maybe.

So you're just saying shit for the sake of saying it then?

 

[Voight]

So it seems clear that it was between McDavid and Barkov for the voters, not Bobrovsky.

Edit. Jim Mathesons votes were WILD man: McDavid, Hyman and Bouchard, not a single player from the Stanley Cup winning team.

Talk about media bias

 

[roon]

Cope

Ok?

You pushing back against McDavid winning the CST has all been one big Cope.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Still don't understand why everyone is focusing on McDavid and not Draisaitl. Draisaitl was a no show in the finals. He should be getting the heat, not McDavid.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

My understanding reporters at game 7 vote for the Conn Smythe at the 10min mark in the 3rd period, which means you may not know the outcome before you vote. I would bet they had voted in game 5, and I wonder if McDavid had won there as well.

With probably 1 Florida reporter, and 50 Canadian reporters in the picture, there was no way anybody except McDavid was going to win it .

Did he deserve it?

A case can be made for or against. I do prefer the winning team gets the MVP award, as it makes more sense. However him winning is fine, and not really an issue for me. I'm sure Barkov handing the cup next to Bobrovski was a signal that he deserved the Conn Smythe.

Should McDavid have gone out to accept the Conn Smythe?

I think yes. It shows poor sportsmanship to not participate, even more so that he is supposed to be the new face of the NHL. I'm sure they told him as he left the ice.

He could have humbly gotten it, done the photo op, made the comments to the press along the lines that "this is great, but we didn't get the greatest trophy in the world, and rest assured we'll be back" (or to that effect).

 

[Sentinel]

Something about jumping off bridges. If he accepted it he would've been accused of only caring about individual awards.

Did anybody accuse Giguere or Leach of that?

Still don't understand why everyone is focusing on McDavid and not Draisaitl. Draisaitl was a no show in the finals. He should be getting the heat, not McDavid.

Last I checked, Draisatl wasn't in the conversation for Conn Smythe since Round 3 began. I am curious though if he would snub it like McD did.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Did anybody accuse Giguere or Leach if that?


Last I checked, Draisatl wasn't in the conversation for Conn Smythe since Round 3 began. I am curious though if he would snub it like McD did.

No, but those players aren't regularly accused of only caring about individual awards like McDavid is. Either he does or he doesn't. He decided that he didn't care about an individual award and suddenly he's a bum for it.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Ok?

You pushing back against McDavid winning the CST has all been one big Cope.

Like changing the subject and not staying on topic?

But I'll direct this toward you now: Do you think not showing up in four games out of seven is playing well overall?

 

[Double Dion]

I'm a Flames fan. McDavid deserved the Conn Smythe. The other argument you could make is Hyman. That said, McDavid has never won a championship at any level besides with all the best players from Canada. He's not a winner because he STILL hasn't bought in to the 200 foot game.

The Panthers bought in to the 200 foot game.

 

[Felidae]

Something about jumping off bridges. If he accepted it he would've been accused of only caring about individual awards.

Highly doubt that. McDavid would have looked completely miserable, just like JSG did when he won the Smythe.

I don't blame McDavid for not coming out, but he did "invite" more criticism by doing so. Anyways, it's a non-story really.

 

[roon]

Like changing the subject and not staying on topic?

But I'll direct this toward you now: Do you think not showing up in four games out of seven is playing well overall?

Are you somehow under the impression that the CST is only about the finals?

Because over the course of the entire playoff's McDavid showed up in ways that Barkov simply isn't skilled enough to do.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Are you somehow under the impression that the CST is only about the finals?

Because over the course of the entire playoff's McDavid showed up in ways that Barkov simply isn't skilled enough to do.

Why won't you answer my question? It's a simple yes or no answer.

Just more deflection.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Why won't you answer my question? It's a simple yes or no answer.

Just more deflection.

The problem is you're discrediting the Panthers by saying that McDavid no-showed in 4/7 games.

 

[Shane Diesel]

The problem is you're discrediting the Panthers by saying that McDavid no-showed in 4/7 games.

No-showed, shut down, failed to rise to the occasion. Whatever phrase you want to use is fine by me and doesn't change the argument.

 

[Moose Head]

Back when Hextall won in a losing cause, he was awarded the trophy outside the dressing room. That’s the appropriate way of dealing with this type of thing. That or make the Conn be the MVP of the champs only.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No-showed, shut down, failed to rise to the occasion. Whatever phrase you want to use is fine by me and doesn't change the argument.

But it doesn't really matter because the Conn Smythe is for the entire playoffs not one series. Also there's a distinct problem with conflating no points with "no showing".

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Talk about media bias

Canadian media bias.

 

[Shane Diesel]

But it doesn't really matter because the Conn Smythe is for the entire playoffs not one series. Also there's a distinct problem with conflating no points with "no showing".

Yes, it is for the whole playoffs and has been demonstrated McDavid only produced for less than half the Finals.

You can argue semantics all you want, the fact of the matter is for the majority of the Finals McDavid didn't produce and that's his entire job. Whatever distinction you want to make for his four game disappearing act doesn't change that fact.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes, it is for the whole playoffs and has been demonstrated McDavid only produced for less than half the Finals.

You can argue semantics all you want, the fact of the matter is for the majority of the Finals McDavid didn't produce and that's his entire job. Whatever distinction you want to make for his four game disappearing doesn't change that fact.

Neither did the team. It's a team game.