Who should be the next coach?

[geo25]

Torterella would be fun, but I can see the Leafs hiring from within and promoting Carbery

Another galaxy brainiac experimental failure

 

[rumman]

Gallant or Trotz, both aren’t malleable puppets like Keefe so Dubas wouldn’t approve, he hated Babcock because Babcock was his own person, warts and all…….

 

[Amadeus]

Todd Nelson is a guy I've admired for a while. He got a chance with Edmonton for a short time and did really well but wasn't brought back.

 

[geo25]

Gallant or Trotz, both aren’t malleable puppets like Keefe so Dubas wouldn’t approve, he hated Babcock because Babcock was his own person, warts and all…….

Perhaps this time he wont be given a choice....

 

[ShaneFalco]

Ruff may have been a good option

 

[Gabriel426]

I want Andrew Tate in some capacity. These guys need to know what it means to be a man.

Also have Jordan Peterson as their mental coach, bc they need a lot of help mentally.

 

[Gabriel426]

Gallant might be good.
Bruce is too nice.
Crawford would be interesting.

 

[rumman]

Also have Jordan Peterson as their mental coach, bc they need a lot of help mentally.

I’m sure JP would be persona non grata in a progressive institution like MLSE, pity……….

 

[Gabriel426]

I’m sure JP would be persona non grata in a progressive institution like MLSE, pity……….

Yep. Simon Sinek, whom I also love, is more MLSE type.

 

[eramosat]

Rookie goaltenders often win the Conn Smythe. It's a quirk of the NHL, that brand-new goalies often come out and either (a) are so clueless (according to pundits) that they don't know the pressure they should be under, and as a result, play with a freedom allowing them to succeed and/or (b) the book on them is unwritten, and they simply stymie shooters unused to their tendencies yet.

What's the case with rookie coaches? Are they successful in the playoffs? What's the trend for Cup winning coaches? It would be interesting to see where Keefe...a brand new NHL coach, with no NHL experience hired directly into the role, and with the same club after X years, with little to no playoff success fits.

Not sure how much credit I am willing to offer a coach versus the players. But systems and tendencies and actual line changes have to be managed, and coaches manage that, so give coaches a 20% share of the fate at least. In which case...Keefe hardly has any meaningful success at what he's supposed to do. But I want to know about other "first-team" NHL coaches that were successful.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I would take an experienced coach and GM and president and new owner

 

[ToMaLe]

Anyone that doesn’t think a player like Justin Holl is an allstar like Keefe did.

 

[therealkoho]

Get a new GM in place first.

The correct answer, but they may still want him but maybe not at his ask

I suspect the coach comes first

GMs usually hire their own coach, there's a lot of upside in it.

I'm on the Bruce Boudreau bandwagon

I love Gabby, I really do, I played against him a few times in peewee and bantam, he was a great player very high energy, he loves the puck and lives to shoot it, doesn't mind getting his nose dirty, was not very interested in playing D

Most of his teams play like that, it can be a real rock show when its working, Toronto has the right kind of players to play that style of game.

Seems like a great guy, but some of the important players on this team, don't like being criticized, or yelled at, or wrong words, and Bruce knows most of them and uses all of them if you're dragging your ass or constantly bailing when there's a play to be made.

So that's a problem, the other problem and it's a big one, is that darn salary cap.

So both of those need to be fixed. Bruce would need to do everyone's exit interview to figure out who the problem might be and then would have to let the GM know who's gotta go, the name may already be on the exit list anyway.

 

[tokyoite]

hire barry trotz as our GM first
let him handle the job

 

[Lightsol]

They should take all Leaffans connected thoughts in real time and change lines strategys according to those. The outcome would be much better. But if it is crap it would be our fault. .

And now I'm picturing them turning the team over to a Discord chat room full of Leaf fans with one of those voting programs attached. That would be the definition of scitzo...

hire barry trotz as our GM first
let him handle the job

Nashville hired Trotz already.

Sheldon Keefe was telling on himself for not having the team prepared for the second-round series when he made his comment about the team’s surprise at the “wide open” style of game they encountered against Florida. To me, it’s unacceptable that the coaching staff didn’t have the team prepared for this tendency from the Panthers.

That tells me my hunch that Keefe spent most of this year coming up with strategies specifically for Tampa Bay and Boston and ignored any possibility that they'd play anyone else was likely correct. They were "surprised" by Florida because they expected to get Boston, and Keefe needs months to come up with an effective strategy (which is one of many many problems with him).

 

[Lightsol]

Also have Jordan Peterson as their mental coach, bc they need a lot of help mentally.

Why don't we just hire the KKK to do Leaf games?

Gallant or Trotz, both aren’t malleable puppets like Keefe so Dubas wouldn’t approve, he hated Babcock because Babcock was his own person, warts and all…….

No, Dubas conflicted with Babcock because Babcock refused to play any player he didn't personally handpick for the roster.

 

[Gabriel426]

Why don't we just hire the KKK to do Leaf games?

KKK is a bit much.

 

[Gabriel426]

The correct answer, but they may still want him but maybe not at his ask

GMs usually hire their own coach, there's a lot of upside in it.

I love Gabby, I really do, I played against him a few times in peewee and bantam, he was a great player very high energy, he loves the puck and lives to shoot it, doesn't mind getting his nose dirty, was not very interested in playing D

Most of his teams play like that, it can be a real rock show when its working, Toronto has the right kind of players to play that style of game.

Seems like a great guy, but some of the important players on this team, don't like being criticized, or yelled at, or wrong words, and Bruce knows most of them and uses all of them if you're dragging your ass or constantly bailing when there's a play to be made.

So that's a problem, the other problem and it's a big one, is that darn salary cap.

So both of those need to be fixed. Bruce would need to do everyone's exit interview to figure out who the problem might be and then would have to let the GM know who's gotta go, the name may already be on the exit list anyway.

You brought up a good point that I overlooked.

Who is making the decisions regarding the players? GM or the Coach.
Lets say Dubas stays at GM and fires Keefe and bring in a new coach. Should the coach at least gets a chance to talk to the players before Dubas deciding who stays and who goes?

 

[therealkoho]

You brought up a good point that I overlooked.

Who is making the decisions regarding the players? GM or the Coach.
Lets say Dubas stays at GM and fires Keefe and bring in a new coach. Should the coach at least gets a chance to talk to the players before Dubas deciding who stays and who goes?

I'd say the final decision is always going to be the GMs, but coaches do typically have a say on what kind of players they may want, what kind they dont want.

If new players need to be acquired to fill gaps, or replace players a coach doesn't want, or to fulfill a coaches vision. The director of player personnel and the pro scouts are tasked to identify those players, the GM then tries to acquire them.

I once heard a former GM talk about a number system for identifying types and skill levels of players, different attributes, skating, shooting, aggressiveness etc graded 1 through 5. The system was simple and long before today's predictive/advanced stats.

 

[Notsince67]

Anyone that doesn’t think a player like Justin Holl is an allstar like Keefe did.

There is more that is required than that.

 

[ACC1224]

There is more that is required than that.

What would be the challenge?

 

[hullsy47]

If we bring Sheldon back we can expect to lose the exact same way in the playoffs again. This Reddit comment goes into detail about how the Leafs have lost their past four series by being unable to defend against rush and transition offence.



This doesn’t even get into how often we’re neutered offensively just by teams employing the trap against us. Leafs have lost 4/5 series under Sheldon in the exact same manner. For f***s sake if the Leafs change anything it has to be who’s behind the bench.

He needs to be an assistant coach
He got handed a dream job that many were more qualified for IMO

 

[Notsince67]

What would be the challenge?

Seems to be. It is as obvious as Holl but I'm starting to doubt my sanity.

 

[ACC1224]

Seems to be. It is as obvious as Holl but I'm starting to doubt my sanity.

I don't believe you can challenge non penalty calls.

 

[TheDoldrums]

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