Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question

[Lt Dan]

Nah I'm from the greater Philly area haha.

Ok then WTF is with you calling him ST? I was giving you a pass because Euros do the date backwards as well.

 

[jfont]

Ok then WTF is with you calling him ST? I was giving you a pass because Euros do the date backwards as well.

It's the metric system

 

[lumbergh]

I was genuinely hoping the kings fans would want to take ST mainly because I think he is better, but also I love the sport and I think a German born player going to the 2nd largest market in the US would help grow the game exponentially on a global level. Oh well though, I wish your franchise the best because their success is also important for the growth of Hockey as a whole.

I’m just not with you on this last part. A star of Jamaican descent does a lot more in one of the most demographically diverse cities in the world to grow the sport locally. I don’t see where Stützle ends up as having much impact on the popularity of hockey anywhere. Just my opinion. Say Kopitar got drafted by Columbus and led the Blue Jackets to a Cup. Pretty sure he would be just as much a national hero as he has been as a King.

 

[Legionnaire]

Jamaican me crazy mon.

 

[Statto]

I’m just not with you on this last part. A star of Jamaican descent does a lot more in one of the most demographically diverse cities in the world to grow the sport locally. I don’t see where Stützle ends up as having much impact on the popularity of hockey anywhere. Just my opinion. Say Kopitar got drafted by Columbus and led the Blue Jackets to a Cup. Pretty sure he would be just as much a national hero as he has been as a King.

I think him going 2OA would help grow the game in Germany to, some degree (I say that as a Euro) but it won’t be significant unless he then becomes something very special. However, it’s not a factor in choosing to draft him.

 

[Statto]

So to start, I need to express the lack of respect for the DEL as pro leauge is kind of silly. Just take a look at Moritz Seider. People thought the Redwings were crazy for drafting him so high. He only put up 6 points in the DEL the season before he was drafted. After the draft he put up nearly 4 times that amount of points in the AHL. Yes he played 20 more games in AHL. That does not change the fact that he put up .44 ppg in the AHL compared to .21in DEL a season prior. So when an 18 year old gets nearly a ppg in the DEL yes it is actually an incredibly big deal(hence the consensus top 3). Combine that with his play at WJC, which considering USA, Russia, and Canada are littered with top NHL talent and Germany was the 2nd worst team there his play was impressive, but the fact that he was able to not only stand out against teams like the US and Russia is incredible, but more importantly to this thread he stood out against Canada a team comprised of CHL all stars and top NHL picks not just the OHL.

It’s not about being disrespectful of the DEL it’s about placing the league appropriately. Many present it as being a top Euro Elite league... it is not. Yes it’s produced a few good players but it is not a strong league and has weaknesses especially defensively. Germany does not produce enough talent to man its own leagues and relies on ECHL journeymen as many of its top players. It is not even close to the SEL in level.

It means it’s a concern that Stützle only has a handful of goals and that the poor defence allows him to skate around in big circles. So he’s going to have to modify his game which is a risk and rework his shot considerably. He may well do it, but it represents a risk. The argument has been that Byfield is the riskier pick and many of us don’t see it that way.

Like most I prefer Byfield, in all honestly I’m 90/10 on him but I like Stützle and if we’d ended up 3OA in the draft I’d have been delighted at the prospect of getting him there.

 

[Master Yoda]

Ok then WTF is with you calling him ST? I was giving you a pass because Euros do the date backwards as well.

He thinks he's Yoda.

 

[Lt Dan]

He thinks he's Yoda.

There can be only one

wait....
Only one there can be

 

[funky]

I am all about drafting Byfield but tell me how this line looks.

Stützle- Turcotte - Kaliyev

We have two players in Stützle and Turcotte that can help make up for Kaliyev’s defensive play. Also if Stützle likes to pass we all know that Kaliyev likes to accept. Turcotte is that aggressive to a center down the middle that can do a bit of everything and can skate with Stützle. I just thought that it made an interesting line.

 

[Telos]

I can't wait until the draft is over and the decision is made Still on the Byfield train. Will be happy with either, but there will always be that "What if?" if we pass on Byfield. Even if Byfield doesn't develop and Stutzle has a decent/elite career, no one will question why the Kings went with Byfield, but if the reverse happens then it would be devastating.

Of course, the key is to make the right call when you have it and I see no downside right now with picking Byfield. No matter what, the elite center is always the way to go. Move one of our centers to wing if you have to, but we easily have the depth to swing for the fences and Byfield is that pick. He may never reach that potential to be another Malkin in the league, but it is there...

And with our system changing, our roster getting younger and faster, and our blueline getting more mobile and quicker, a player like that might actually be successful offensively... We may have another 100 point player back in LA, here's dreaming...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Only about seven more weeks until draft day.

 

[KINGS17]

I can't wait until the draft is over and the decision is made Still on the Byfield train. Will be happy with either, but there will always be that "What if?" if we pass on Byfield. Even if Byfield doesn't develop and Stutzle has a decent/elite career, no one will question why the Kings went with Byfield, but if the reverse happens then it would be devastating.

Of course, the key is to make the right call when you have it and I see no downside right now with picking Byfield. No matter what, the elite center is always the way to go. Move one of our centers to wing if you have to, but we easily have the depth to swing for the fences and Byfield is that pick. He may never reach that potential to be another Malkin in the league, but it is there...

And with our system changing, our roster getting younger and faster, and our blueline getting more mobile and quicker, a player like that might actually be successful offensively... We may have another 100 point player back in LA, here's dreaming...

I agree, the potential of a 100-point player is there with Byfield, but I would be ecstatic if he was a consistent 70-80-point producer. The only issue I see with Stutzle having the same kind of production is it would take him 75 assists to hit the 100-point mark, where Byfield could likely do it with 60 assists.

 

[verbalkint47]

Y'all need to curb your expectations. Neither Byfield or Stützle or even Laf are seen as generational 100 point type talents.
Don't get me wrong, I hope whoever we draft can reach that level. But that shouldn't be expected.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Y'all need to curb your expectations. Neither Byfield or Stützle or even Laf are seen as generational 100 point type talents.
Don't get me wrong, I hope whoever we draft can reach that level. But that shouldn't be expected.

I'm not sure if anyone has said they expect 100 points...

 

[Token]

Y'all need to curb your expectations. Neither Byfield or Stützle or even Laf are seen as generational 100 point type talents.
Don't get me wrong, I hope whoever we draft can reach that level. But that shouldn't be expected.

Huh?

Having a 100 point season is generational talent all of a sudden?

I think you’re confused on the meaning of generational talent.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Huh?

Having a 100 point season is generational talent all of a sudden?

I think you’re confused on the meaning of generational talent.

Their have been 38 100 point seasons since the 04-05 lockout, only 15 by Connor, Ovi, Sid or Gino.

Some others: Brad Marchand, both Sedin Twins, Claude Giroux, Nick Backstrom, Eric Staal, Marian Hossa

I would say it's hardly reserved for the absolute elite.

 

[KINGS17]

Y'all need to curb your expectations. Neither Byfield or Stützle or even Laf are seen as generational 100 point type talents.
Don't get me wrong, I hope whoever we draft can reach that level. But that shouldn't be expected.

This is true, and why if we get a guy with the 2nd overall that consistently scores 70 points a season, it will be fine.

 

[Legionnaire]

Y'all need to curb your expectations. Neither Byfield or Stützle or even Laf are seen as generational 100 point type talents.
Don't get me wrong, I hope whoever we draft can reach that level. But that shouldn't be expected.

You can't prove this yet. No one thought anyone would touch McDavid and yet Draisaitl and MacK have played as well if not better despite not being considered gereational.

I'd gladly take a non-generational MacK or Draisaitl.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Let me add one other insight---Stutzle's low goal scoring numbers and weak shot scare the hell out of me (and I'm sure other Kings fans). We are so sick of players who can't finish, can't puck the puck in the net, the biscuit in the basket, that when we see a big guy like Byfield roar down the ice, deke and then shoot the hell out of the puck and it goes in, we get sexually excited.

I think this needs context.

OHL vs DEL.

Like Stützle wouldnt score 35-45 goals in the OHL.

 

[KINGS17]

I think this needs context.

OHL vs DEL.

Like Stützle wouldnt score 35-45 goals in the OHL.

What makes you so sure Stutzle would score 35-45 in the OHL? I suppose we'll never know.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

What makes you so sure Stutzle would score 35-35 in the OHL? I suppose we'll never know.

How about him being a top 3 pick ?

The fact he is more skilled than Byfield. That defense in junior hockey is worse than in professional hockey. Its not outlandish.

I currently read too much anti Stützle comments. The comment I responded to, is stuff I just can not agree with, nobody should.

Everything looks so much more flashy in junior hockey.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How about him being a top 3 pick ?

The fact he is more skilled than Byfield. That defense in junior hockey is worse than in professional hockey. Its not outlandish.

I currently read too much anti Stützle comments. The comment I responded to, is stuff I just can not agree with, nobody should.

Everything looks so much more flashy in junior hockey.

And he didn’t score any goals against junior players in a tournament he actually shined at due to his playmaking.

Stating he’s not much of a goal scorer isn’t anti-Stutzle, he’s a playmaker first and foremost who has a very weak shot. It may be why he’s apprehensive when it comes to shooting.

 

[Rusty Batch]

I actually think Byfield would have lit up the DEL if he played there last season. But like people have said before, we will never know.

 

[King'sPawn]

How about him being a top 3 pick ?

The fact he is more skilled than Byfield. That defense in junior hockey is worse than in professional hockey. Its not outlandish.

I currently read too much anti Stützle comments. The comment I responded to, is stuff I just can not agree with, nobody should.

Everything looks so much more flashy in junior hockey.

Just because people are remarking on Stutzle's shot doesn't mean they think he's a bad player. It seems like you're instead going the opposite direction and think Stutzle could easily put up the same number of goals Byfield could even though Stutzle's shot is arguably "weaker." So are you saying Stutzle is better in every facet of the game compared to Byfield?

And while you say everything looks much more flashy in junior hockey, don't forget Europe has a lot more open ice to allow Stutzle to buy time for himself.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

And he didn’t score any goals against junior players in a tournament he actually shined at due to his playmaking.

Stating he’s not much of a goal scorer isn’t anti-Stutzle, he’s a playmaker first and foremost who has a very weak shot. It may be why he’s apprehensive when it comes to shooting.

That were 5 games....please.

Stating he is not much of a goal scorer is not something I have a problem with....let alone that I think that is anti-Stützle.

He does not have a weak shot but it should improve.

The topic is going more and more to the wrong side with silly arguments. That is were I have a problem with.