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Who do you get rid of this offseason? (From the core and management)

  • Shanahan

    Votes: 127 42.5%

  • Dubas

    Votes: 157 52.5%

  • Keefe

    Votes: 251 83.9%

  • Assistant GMs / Coaches

    Votes: 114 38.1%

  • Matthews

    Votes: 120 40.1%

  • Marner

    Votes: 178 59.5%

  • Nylander

    Votes: 48 16.1%

  • Rielly

    Votes: 26 8.7%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    299
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LeafGrief said:
Keefe and Marner have to go. On the fence with Dubas and Matthews, there's good reasons to keep and get rid of both. Nylander and Rielly stay. Shanahan, eh, that's a purge upstairs when I think the shakeup should be mainly in the locker room.
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The big question re. Dubas for me is my fear that he takes loyalty too far. I'd like him to stay, but only if he's willing to make some changes. Then there's the question of if he even wants to stay.

First change he has to be willing to make is Keefe, he's on the top of my shit list and if Dubas doesn't agree he needs to go, then Dubas needs to go.

Then it's Matthews and Nylander, I'd resign both depending on the cost. If they want too much, then trade them for whatever you can get. You simply can't say sign them, without knowing the cost, not in this cap world. What's Matthews worth though, that's the toughest question perhaps.

All the other decisions flow from that. I'd like to see what we can get for Marner, we could get a ton for him in a trade as he has two years left on his contract. I'm in the "at least on core piece has to move" crowd and he's the logical choice.

Trading all of the big 3 has some appeal, on one hand you could say this team is so close, they played really well last night so just do a little tweaking but we've been doing that for so many years and it's gotten us nowhere. But then, I don't think ownership would be willing to do a massive rebuild so as appealing as that might seem, I think it's off the table.

So many moving pieces, impossible to predict what's going to happen. If they bring back Keefe and M&M though, it's going to be hard for me to get up for next season.
 
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sunstersun said:
Sure, Knies and Tavares for nothing after convincing him to waive his NMC(not happening) he literally moved his family to Toronto recently.

That's how much of an anchor 2 years 22 mil is when Tavares is a 30 point player in 5on5.
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What's the point in getting rid of players that are good and keeping the ones that are not helping.

That's like turning up the music to cover up a fart smell.
 
It sucks that the only player who I think proved they should stay is Nylander but it is also true that Nylander is the player who will probably get traded because he is the scapegoat all the time.

We will trade him for a couple less good players who will leave the team in two years after contributing not much, and nothing will change and we will be a worse team.

(obviously we should keep woll as well that kid should be our starter even next year)
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I hope you don't run a business of any kind because you would fail miserably.

You don't trade them just for "something different."

That's how you become Buffalo, I have family members who were in diapers the last time Buffalo made the playoffs.
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Wow, way to reach for that one. I hope that comment gives your ego a boost that it so sorely needs obviously. Taking a shot at someone just because they have a different opinion that you do, how very very mature! (sarcasm in case you don't realize it with that comment).

What is the sign of someone who would fail miserably in business is NOT someone who is willing to make tough choices/changes when they need to. Nope. What it IS....is someone who thinks they have a great product but it just isn't successful...so they try it again and it doesn't work again, so they try it again and again and again and it just doesn't work. So their conclusion is they are too afraid to try something different becuase they are SO sure what they have is so great and they never make needed changes. THAT is someone who fails at business.

And you are SO in need of pushing your own narrative that you make up stuff. I never said to trade them just for something different. News flash to you, you put something in quotes when you are ACTUALLY quoting the other person. Never, NEVER in my post that you responded to did I say "something different". If you are going to use quotes in reference to my post..how about actually doing it the right way. You don't quote something that the person you responded to never said.

But Hey, feel free to keep using the message boards to say things that must make youself feel clever but are really dumb comments taking shots at others that don't agree with you. Somewhere deep inside you, you must really need the emotional victory lap when you get to criticize others by making up stuff they didn't say.
 
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Marner.

He fetches a very good return and frees up 11 million in cap space. Quickest and smartest rout if they intend on retooling.

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The entire management team and coaching staff as well. The new GM get a shot at the retool.
 
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Keefe for being a terrible coach.
Dubas for keeping a terrible coach and being harmful to our teams cap mid/long term.
Shanahan for keep Dubas as long as he did and hiring a rookie GM in the first place

Marner for his attitude and playoff issues along with fixing cap
Matthews (((If he plans to leave and not commit soon)))
Nylander (((If he plans to leave and not commit soon)))
JT (((He has to agree to this)))
 
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Gary Nylund said:
The big question re. Dubas for me is my fear that he takes loyalty too far. I'd like him to stay, but only if he's willing to make some changes. Then there's the question of if he even wants to stay.

First change he has to be willing to make is Keefe, he's on the top of my shit list and if Dubas doesn't agree he needs to go, then Dubas needs to go.

Then it's Matthews and Nylander, I'd resign both depending on the cost. If they want too much, then trade them for whatever you can get. You simply can't say sign them, without knowing the cost, not in this cap world. What's Matthews worth though, that's the toughest question perhaps.

All the other decisions flow from that. I'd like to see what we can get for Marner, we could get a ton for him in a trade as he has two years left on his contract. I'm in the "at least on core piece has to move" crowd and he's the logical choice.

Trading all of the big 3 has some appeal, on one hand you could say this team is so close, they played really well last night so just do a little tweaking but we've been doing that for so many years and it's gotten us nowhere. But then, I don't think ownership would be willing to do a massive rebuild so as appealing as that might seem, I think it's off the table.

So many moving pieces, impossible to predict what's going to happen. If they bring back Keefe and M&M though, it's going to be hard for me to get up for next season.
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Wowza, Im not a Leaf fan but just think what trading those three could get you in return. Im not suggesting they do the trades but from a what if standpoint. Huge return.
 
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mjd1001 said:
Wow, way to reach for that one. I hope that comment gives your ego a boost that it so sorely needs obviously. Taking a shot at someone just because they have a different opinion that you do, how very very mature! (sarcasm in case you don't realize it with that comment).

What is the sign of someone who would fail miserably in business is NOT someone who is willing to make tough choices/changes when they need to. Nope. What it IS....is someone who thinks they have a great product but it just isn't successful...so they try it again and it doesn't work again, so they try it again and again and again and it just doesn't work. So their conclusion is they are too afraid to try something different becuase they are SO sure what they have is so great and they never make needed changes. THAT is someone who fails at business.

And you are SO in need of pushing your own narrative that you make up stuff. I never said to trade them just for something different. News flash to you, you put something in quotes when you are ACTUALLY quoting the other person. Never, NEVER in my post that you responded to did I say "something different". If you are going to use quotes in reference to my post..how about actually doing it the right way. You don't quote something that the person you responded to never said.

But Hey, feel free to keep using the message boards to say things that must make youself feel clever but are really dumb comments taking shots at others that don't agree with you. Somewhere deep inside you, you must really need the emotional victory lap when you get to criticize others by making up stuff they didn't say.
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Beginning of your 2nd paragraph, after you acknowledge in your 1st paragraph that you aren't likely getting equal value back, and probably aren't getting a package back that helps the team.

You start your 2nd paragraph with "I'm ready for something different."

So yes you are in fact an advocate of trading them just for something different.

In fact your 1st paragraph gives off the impression that you don't even really care about the return.

I stand by what I said, every word.
 
Mopar said:
Marner.

He fetches a very good return and frees up 11 million in cap space. Quickest and smartest rout if they intend on retooling.

EDIT:

The entire management team and coaching staff as well. The new GM get a shot at the retool.
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thewave said:
Keefe for being a terrible coach.
Dubas for keeping a terrible coach and being harmful to our teams cap mid/long term.
Shanahan for keep Dubas as long as he did and hiring a rookie GM in the first place

Marner for his attitude and playoff issues along with fixing cap
Matthews (((If he plans to leave and not commit soon)))
Nylander (((If he plans to leave and not commit soon)))
JT (((He has to agree to this)))
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This all seems quite logical. The if's attached to Matthews and Nylander make sense - I want them both back for the right price. Trading JT, he'll have to agree and that won't happen so that's that. And I agree moving Marner is the quickest and smartest route to do a retool.

The only one I'd think about some is Dubas. But I get the argument that keeping Keefe is a firing offence, he'd have some explaining to do but still, I like the way he's drafted and I like most of the trades he's made so I just hope that if he is gone (and I'm betting that he is), we get somebody really good to take his place.

HespelerGreenFlash said:
Wowza, Im not a Leaf fan but just think what trading those three could get you in return. Im not suggesting they do the trades but from a what if standpoint. Huge return.
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It's worth considering IMO but I doubt ownership would go along with this.
 
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Well, really, it starts with management. And after that it'll be them making the calls.

Dubas and Keefe should be gone - but I have a funny feeling that only Keefe will be scapegoated, we'll see.

After that - they have to look at what moves they should make and CAN make . . . a difficult combo with this group. Tavares basically unmoveable - and he should really be the first to go, but we're probably stuck with him. And I don't see management moving off of Matthews, I really don't... so it's real tough.

If a new GM comes in and is able to make a bold move/trade of the core 4, it'll be mighty bold indeed. Because you're either able to move an unmoveable asset with miracles; or a top player in their prime for who knows what - and NO GM likes to do that arbitrarily.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
So everyone seems to be in agreement that Keefe needs to go, who is the replacement? Please for the love of god do not say Boudreau.
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Gallant.

The guy I want the leafs to heavily target is Tom Wilson. Perfect top 6 player for this team. Guy is a physical force, mean and can play in the top 6, 220 pounds. He would completely change the dynamic of this team. He's signed for 1 more year. I think he will be available, Capitals aren't contenders anymore and missed the playoffs, they have to start rebuilding.

Ideally these are guys i'd be looking to make a trade for

Tom Wilson
Sean Durzi
Phillip Danault
Marcus Foligno

These are all guys capable of playing big minutes in the top 6, or top 4D. Big body guys, effective players and they bring a physical element and a mean type of feeling to them. Tom Wilson is the most attainable IMO given the Caps situation.
 
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GojuLeaf said:
It sucks that the only player who I think proved they should stay is Nylander but it is also true that Nylander is the player who will probably get traded because he is the scapegoat all the time.
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You're looking at this all wrong - Nylander is most likely to be traded because:
1) He is the most valuable trade piece = most likely to bring in the most back
2) Coming off a career 40 goal year
3) His contract (much maligned at the time of signing) is good value
That's pretty much it - unlike with Tavares (for sure) or possibly Marner's contract, nobody will even bring up Leafs covering some percentage of Nylander's cap hit in a trade.
 
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