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NMC:

Calgary
Winnipeg
Edmonton
Columbus
Minnesota

cold and (sorry) boring.

Preferred Destinations:

Vancouver - Hometown
Los Angeles
Arizona
Vegas
Anaheim

I like living in the West and warm weather and the time zone is perfect for watching sports on TV.
 
1. Chicago - I'm a Blues fan, but also because it's a scummy organization in general. Them getting rewarded with what could be a generational forward after everything that's happened recently is just the cherry on top of this hate-sundae. If I was in the draft I'd let them know I would not play for them if they selected me. I want no part of their organization.
2. Boston - Just unlikable all around. The fans, Marchand, Jack Edwards, the city, etc. I don't even like their uniforms/colors. No thanks.
3. Arizona - They're kinda just the laughing stock of the league, and have been for some time. They're just the rest of the league's dumpster for bad contracts. Who knows how much longer they even last in Arizona. Also, they play in a college arena.
4. Toronto - I just love to watch them lose, so I wouldn't want any part in helping them win.
5. Colorado - I've grown to hate them these last few years. They also employed Kadri at one point, so that's automatically points off for their organization. Also, **** Stan Kroenke.
6. Vegas - They have a poor track record with how they treat their players and they have the biggest baby in the league in Marchessault. Not a likable organization.
7. San Jose - I just don't like them, or California. I like Randy Hahn, though.
8. Nashville - Hate their uniforms and don't like the overall style their going for. Not a fan of country.
9. Columbus - It's in Ohio.
10. Dallas - No.
 
mydnyte said:
all Cali Teams and New York ...insane crime being the reason
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Any data to back this up?

According to the figures here (List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia), the following US cities in the NHL have higher murder rates than NYC, San Jose, Los Angeles and Anaheim (place on list in brackets):

St. Louis (1), Detroit (3), Newark (9), Philadelphia (12), Chicago (14), Pittsburgh (15), Washington DC (19), Nashville (21), Columbus (22), Buffalo(27), Las Vegas (33), Dallas (35), Miami (39), Tampa (42), Minneapolis (43), Phoenix (44), Boston (52) and Denver (53).

Then comes Los Angeles (63), Seattle (77), New York (80), San Jose (85), Anaheim (87) and Raleigh (unlisted).

The NHL has 25 American teams. 18 of those teams are in cities with higher murder rates than Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose and New York. Raleigh is the only NHL metro area off the list (good job Raleigh!).

So actually it looks like the safest NHL areas (at least when it comes to murder, but it looks like this is a pretty good indicator of criminality in general) in the USA according to these numbers would be:

1. Raleigh
2. Anaheim
3. San Jose
4/5. New York (Rangers and Isles)
6. Seattle
7. Los Angeles

Not trying to be an ass here. It's just that your assertion didn't match with any numbers I've seen citing those locations as particularly crime-ridden, although I think a lot of people claim that they are.
 
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Rufus T Firefly said:
Any data to back this up?

According to the figures here (List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia), the following US cities in the NHL have higher murder rates than NYC, San Jose, Los Angeles and Anaheim (place on list in brackets):

St. Louis (1), Detroit (3), Newark (9), Philadelphia (12), Chicago (14), Pittsburgh (15), Washington DC (19), Nashville (21), Columbus (22), Buffalo(27), Las Vegas (33), Dallas (35), Miami (39), Tampa (42), Minneapolis (43), Phoenix (44), Boston (52) and Denver (53).

Then comes Los Angeles (63), Seattle (77), New York (80), San Jose (85), Anaheim (87) and Raleigh (unlisted).

The NHL has 25 American teams. 18 of those teams are in cities with higher murder rates than Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose and New York. Raleigh is the only NHL metro area off the list (good job Raleigh!).

So actually it looks like the safest NHL areas (at least when it comes to murder, but it looks like this is a pretty good indicator of criminality in general) in the USA according to these numbers would be:

1. Raleigh
2. Anaheim
3. San Jose
4/5. New York (Rangers and Isles)
6. Seattle
7. Los Angeles

Not trying to be an ass here. It's just that your assertion didn't match with any numbers I've seen citing those locations as particularly crime-ridden, although I think a lot of people claim that they are.
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It's folks looking at numbers in the aggregate for an area as opposed to where players actually live. Players for Los Angeles usually end up living by their practice facility in Manhattan Beach (very safe) as opposed to Da'Hood in Compton. Players for Vegas live in Summerlin by their practice facility, which is also very safe, and not North Las Vegas which is rough in some areas. Players for Anaheim mostly live in Newport Beach, where nearly all the crime is financial, or Irvine (very safe) near their practice facility, not Anaheim itself which has issues. To take a more extreme example, a Blackhawks player isn't living on the South Side of Chicago but probably has lakefront condo in a very safe neighborhood, nor is a Blues players living in East St. Louis.

And so forth and so on, which makes so many of these "high crime" comments so totally ridiculous.
 
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JustBeCool said:
1. arizona - losing culture, risk of being bought and moved, the arena
2. ottawa - lived there for 3 years for work and it was super boring, lack of diversity in the food scene, people, culture, the arena is in KANATA (poor planning), would have said ownership but that recently changed so don't know anymore.
3. toronto - don't enjoy the spotlight and pressure, not a huge fan of fast paced cities.
4. washington - I heard it gets too hot and humid in the summers, being the capital I associate it to be like ottawa
5. Detroit - high crime rate
6. columbus - coach, crime rate
7. NYI - same reason as NYC, crime
8. NYC - I hate the concrete jungle, every time I visit for work, I get anxiety walking through the streets.
9. buffalo - weather, losing culture
10. LA - traffic is ridiculous, kind of all spread out

top places: vancouver (yes management is crappy but it is one hell of a beautiful city to live in so I would tolerate it), colorado (seems like a nice city with a good chance of winning), and winnipeg (I am from there so might be biased but also think it is highly underrated, from the food scene, lakes, diversity/culture, people, etc).
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NYI - crime? Lol stick to talking about Canada brother
 
Some of you aren't serious at all. NYR, CHI, PHI or LAK on your NTC is unserious. I understand the Canadian teams but all the athletes who are significant play in US big markets. You're basically saying you want zero endorsements.
 
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VivaLasVegas said:
It's folks looking at numbers in the aggregate for an area as opposed to where players actually live. Players for Los Angeles usually end up living by their practice facility in Manhattan Beach (very safe) as opposed to Da'Hood in Compton. Players for Vegas live in Summerlin by their practice facility, which is also very safe, and not North Las Vegas which is rough in some areas. Players for Anaheim mostly live in Newport Beach, where nearly all the crime is financial, or Irvine (very safe) near their practice facility, not Anaheim itself which has issues. To take a more extreme example, a Blackhawks player isn't living on the South Side of Chicago but probably has lakefront condo in a very safe neighborhood, nor is a Blues players living in East St. Louis.

And so forth and so on, which makes so many of these "high crime" comments so totally ridiculous.
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Right. I live in St. Louis and yes, there are parts of the greater metro area you want to be careful in:

* East St. Louis
* North County
* Parts of downtown

That's not where *most* people live though. It's certainly not where people with means (like pro athletes) live. They are in St. Louis County, specifically suburbs like Ladue or Chesterfield.
 
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Rabid Ranger said:
Right. I live in St. Louis and yes, there are parts of the greater metro area you want to be careful in:

* East St. Louis
* North County
* Parts of downtown

That's not where *most* people live though. It's certainly not where people with means (like pro athletes) live. They are in St. Louis County, specifically suburbs like Ladue or Chesterfield.
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Yep, there is a good reason why most practice facilities are in or nearby certain suburbs.
 
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This thread shows why Canadian teams are so handcuffed. Why would anyone choose Toronto or Edmonton or Winnipeg over Tampa or LA or NYC or Vegas?

I imagine most NHL players, even Canadians, would have all of Canada + Buffalo + Detroit on their 10 team list. The last one is probably just coast related, or maybe ARI.
 
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Clownfish said:
This thread shows why Canadian teams are so handcuffed. Why would anyone choose Toronto or Edmonton or Winnipeg over Tampa or LA or NYC or Vegas?
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This is exactly right, and it's why Canadian teams are finding it harder to attract FA talent
 
JustBeCool said:
1. arizona - losing culture, risk of being bought and moved, the arena
2. ottawa - lived there for 3 years for work and it was super boring, lack of diversity in the food scene, people, culture, the arena is in KANATA (poor planning), would have said ownership but that recently changed so don't know anymore.
3. toronto - don't enjoy the spotlight and pressure, not a huge fan of fast paced cities.
4. washington - I heard it gets too hot and humid in the summers, being the capital I associate it to be like ottawa
5. Detroit - high crime rate
6. columbus - coach, crime rate
7. NYI - same reason as NYC, crime
8. NYC - I hate the concrete jungle, every time I visit for work, I get anxiety walking through the streets.
9. buffalo - weather, losing culture
10. LA - traffic is ridiculous, kind of all spread out

top places: vancouver (yes management is crappy but it is one hell of a beautiful city to live in so I would tolerate it), colorado (seems like a nice city with a good chance of winning), and winnipeg (I am from there so might be biased but also think it is highly underrated, from the food scene, lakes, diversity/culture, people, etc).
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The crime reason for Long Island is sending me:laugh:
 
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1 - Calgary
2 - Winnipeg
3 - Toronto
4 - Ottawa
5 - Edmonton
6 - Buffalo
7 - Detroit
8 - ... Probably Columbus. Not sure whether it's one of the 8 places I don't to play, or because of state of team at the moment.
9 - Depends on the state of the team at the given moment. Arizona for now
10 - See 9... Philly for now.
 
Patrice said:
Seems each year the trend is towards folks not wanting to live in Canada. I mean, there are obviously many good reasons that the US is preferable for those with income, but it's something I think is accelerating still.
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I think the key factor is the income. I wouldn't want to live in the US as a middle class citizen, or heck even upper middle class. Certainly not if I was even lower then middle class. Canada is the far superior country for your average person.

But if I were extremely wealthy, I think the US would be the better spot to live. Mostly climate driven for me personally, taxes matter in a few select cases as well.

As someone living about an hour North of Edmonton right now I absolutely f***ing hate the cold winters and first chance I get if I was in the NHL I'd be headed somewhere more south. Not to mention just how shitty of a city Edmonton is inpar

The reason I would have Toronto/Montreal on my ntc would be more about the media and the fans.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
I think the key factor is the income. I wouldn't want to live in the US as a middle class citizen, or heck even upper middle class. Certainly not if I was even lower then middle class. Canada is the far superior country for your average person.

But if I were extremely wealthy, I think the US would be the better spot to live. Mostly climate driven for me personally, taxes matter in a few select cases as well.
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Mostly agree, I think the USA is a better place to live for anyone middle class and up much of the time (region- and career-dependent). Basically, if you have a salaried job, you'll do better in the United States (significantly higher salaries for almost every industry, lower taxes in almost all cases, plus an extremely fertile environment for sole proprietorship). The US has problems with drugs and politics and many other things, but if you're a knowledge worker in the tech industry, for example, you'll make twice the salary in a place like California than you would anywhere in Canada, even when working for the same company.
 
Patrice said:
Mostly agree, I think the USA is a better place to live for anyone middle class and up much of the time (region- and career-dependent). Basically, if you have a salaried job, you'll do better in the United States (significantly higher salaries for almost every industry, lower taxes in almost all cases, plus an extremely fertile environment for sole proprietorship). The US has problems with drugs and politics and many other things, but if you're a knowledge worker in the tech industry, for example, you'll make twice the salary in a place like California than you would anywhere in Canada, even when working for the same company.
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Disagree on the tech front, as was in it, and know what folks made on both sides, not close to double, least in my field.

Just one other note, you missed out no universal health care, and daily mass shootings in the states. ( factors for families).
 
Golden_Jet said:
Disagree on the tech front, as was in it, and know what folks made on both sides, not close to double, least in my field.
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Not sure which field you're in but in my field (software engineering), it is well known that salaries in the USA are far above anywhere in the world.

If you work for a FAANG in the US you can expect to make $350,000/year or more. Doesn't really exist in Canada for ICs.

Many resources support this figure, I prefer levels.fyi (developers who hire people know about this site)

Golden_Jet said:
Just one other note, you missed out no universal health care, and daily mass shootings in the states. ( factors for families).
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I pay something like $220/month for excellent health insurance through my employer. I've heard enough bad experiences of Canadians with their imperfect system to be satisfied with my own imperfect one.
 
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