Who’s on your 5-10 NMC list?

[PensPlz]

And then they trade you to NY lol

Well I could only pick 10

 

[Rich Nixon]

Canadian population is highly concentrated, probably more than the United States. About a 3rd of Canada's population is in Southern Ontario. and over half is located if you combined the Lower Mainland, Southern Ontario and Montreal and it's suburbs. There are pretty obvious reasons on why violent crimes are higher in the United States, and it's the ease of access to firearms.

Actually, as per UN's definition of "urban" population (which I am assuming includes most suburban and even some exurban communities) the US's number is slightly higher than Canada's: 83% urban population in the US, 82% in Canada.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

I would play anywhere. They're paying me right?

Nah dude you're missing the point, this is your chance to take dogwhistle shots at Canada and the coastal regions.

b Ut tH e tA xE s

 

[93LEAFS]

Laying out entire provinces and adding some together isn't what I would call “concentrated”.

The combined population of just Los Angeles and New York city and suburbs make up right around the entirety of Canada’s entire population. Almost 3 times the population of Toronto alone.

In the US, about 1.5% of the population is involved in a violent crime. Not just gun related but in totality. Is there a problem with gun access? Yes. But to live in fear because of it like media protrays you should or your countries media does, is comical at best.

Like I said earlier, the minuscule chance something horrific happens to one of these NHL players does not outweigh the other benefits that the US provides over Canada.

Again, you said the population isn't concentrated. Canada's overall population is highly concentrated. About 90% of Canada's population lives with 100km of the American border. 1/3rd of it's population is in Southern Ontario. To say Canada's lack of crime is due to not having densly populated areas compared to the United States is just ill-informed. Hell, the highest rate of crime by region in the United States is the Southern United States which is much less densly populated than Eastern Seaboard or Southern California.

And, again, the benefits of the USA over Canada is highly subjective to who you are and what you want out of your life. NYC offers stuff no other market does in my mind, but Toronto where I live also offers a style of living very few american cities offer. If you want to live 15 miles from where you work in some generic suburb in a cookie-cutter mansion, every city in North America offers that.

Actually, as per UN's definition of "urban" population (which I am assuming includes most suburban and even some exurban communities) the US's number is slightly higher than Canada's: 83% urban population in the US, 82% in Canada.

Thanks. I would say Canada's cities on average are much more densly populated. Our cities never experienced white flight to the suburbs on the same level as the United States. Not that all American cities are like this, but it's very rare to see cities that are hollowed out after downtown like you do in the US in places like Cleveland and Buffalo (or going south of the loop in Chicago).

 

[The Blunder Years]

1. Toronto - Everything about the org, media and fans make me cringe (Sabres fan so I am biased lol)
2. Columbus - Not trying to live in Ohio
3. Vegas - Las Vegas is not my vibe
4. NYI - Boring organization. Team is just so bland. Would rather play in NYC
5. Ottawa - Management and arena location.

Other than that I probably wouldn’t be super pumped about playing for:

6. Arizona (love the idea of living there but the arena and future of team is a big red flag)
7. St. Louis (visited the city once and wasn’t a fan)
8. Detroit (bad city)
9. NJ
10. Pittsburgh

 

[Rich Nixon]

Thanks. I would say Canada's cities on average are much more densly populated. Our cities never experienced white flight to the suburbs on the same level as the United States. Not that all American cities are like this, but it's very rare to see cities that are hollowed out after downtown like you do in the US in places like Cleveland and Buffalo (or going south of the loop in Chicago).

Yeah, but by these definitions of urban populations and realizing how small dilipidated urban cores are compared to their metro area, there's less of a difference. Most of those who white flew ended up in communities that still have the population density that many resources will consider "urban."

Philly lost ~320k people between 1960 and 1980, but neighboring Bucks and Montgomery Counties basically offset that loss in those time periods. And while Bucks was once considered rural, it's now well over 1,000 residents per square mile—which is apparently the UN definition for "urban" that the percentages I posted use. And Bucks is nothing compared to MontCo PA or the DC suburbs in...Montgomery County, Maryland (we have creative names here).

Deindustrialization is also a major force, and we do have some really extreme examples there—one of which you mentioned. Part of what makes Pittsburgh such a fascinating city, for example, is that it used to be one of the most important cities in the US. Top 10 in population for the first half of the 20th century. Today the city proper has only about 40% of the peak population it reached in 1940 and for the most part feels like a very bloated small town rather than the ghost of a former metropolis. Similar story with Cleveland—900,000 people used to live there compared to 370k today. Now THAT is hollowing out!

But those deindustrialization examples correspond with the booms down south and out west. So a lot of people who left the smog in Cleveland and Pittsburgh just ended up in a city or a dense suburb in Texas or Arizona. Which is why you find Steelers and Browns bars in every city in the south and southwest.

 

[93LEAFS]

Yeah, but by these definitions of urban populations and realizing how small dilipidated urban cores are compared to their metro area, there's less of a difference. Most of those who white flew ended up in communities that still have the population density that many resources will consider "urban."

Philly lost ~320k people between 1960 and 1980, but neighboring Bucks and Montgomery Counties basically offset that loss in those time periods. And while Bucks was once considered rural, it's now well over 1,000 residents per square mile—which is apparently the UN definition for "urban" that the percentages I posted use. And Bucks is nothing compared to MontCo PA or the DC suburbs in...Montgomery County, Maryland (we have creative names here).

Deindustrialization is also a major force, and we do have some really extreme examples there—one of which you mentioned. Part of what makes Pittsburgh such a fascinating city, for example, is that it used to be one of the most important cities in the US. Top 10 in population for the first half of the 20th century. Today the city proper has only about 40% of the peak population it reached in 1940—now THAT is hollowing out. Similar story with Cleveland—900,000 people used to live there!

Yeah, I believe that happened to a ton of the Great lakes region/Midwest. Cities like Buffalo (1901 Pan-American Exposition/World Fair) and St. Louis (1904 Summer Olympics) hosted major world-wide events early in the 20th century, but have significantly declined in global importance since.

 

[BagHead]

1 Colombus
2 Edmonton
3 Calgary
4 Detroit
5 St. Louis
6 Winnipeg
7. Los Angeles
(If I'm playing in the Midwest anyway, I want it to be for Minnesota, though I'd settle for going full-villain mode in Chicago.
Colombus is a place I've been and it was just... fine? I don't intend to go back. Similarly, there are a couple places in Canada I'd prefer not to go.)

8-10: At this point I don't have any I REALLY don't want to go to, so I'd probably base it mostly off of tax rates and how good their team is. I'm willing to pay more taxes to win a Cup, but if I'm out of contention I'm not paying state taxes to do so.

Places that I would never no-trade list are Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Colorado, Vegas, Arizona, and Minnesota (duh). Those locations all have their charms for me, in spite of any other issues.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Nah dude you're missing the point, this is your chance to take dogwhistle shots at Canada and the coastal regions.

b Ut tH e tA xE s

lol Funny enough if I had to really pick, I'd stick to all the teams closest to home. Familiar territory and all that.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Again, you said the population isn't concentrated. Canada's overall population is highly concentrated. About 90% of Canada's population lives with 100km of the American border. 1/3rd of it's population is in Southern Ontario. To say Canada's lack of crime is due to not having densly populated areas compared to the United States is just ill-informed. Hell, the highest rate of crime by region in the United States is the Southern United States which is much less densly populated than Eastern Seaboard or Southern California.

And, again, the benefits of the USA over Canada is highly subjective to who you are and what you want out of your life. NYC offers stuff no other market does in my mind, but Toronto where I live also offers a style of living very few american cities offer. If you want to live 15 miles from where you work in some generic suburb in a cookie-cutter mansion, every city in North America offers that.


Thanks. I would say Canada's cities on average are much more densly populated. Our cities never experienced white flight to the suburbs on the same level as the United States. Not that all American cities are like this, but it's very rare to see cities that are hollowed out after downtown like you do in the US in places like Cleveland and Buffalo (or going south of the loop in Chicago).

What exactly does Toronto offer that an American city wouldn’t? Also with the weather being a hell of a lot better in the winters?

I just don’t understand what exactly a Canadian city offers you that a US one wouldn’t. Which is why the vast majority of these guys want to live in the US and not Canada.

 

[93LEAFS]

What exactly does Toronto offer that an American city wouldn’t? Also with the weather being a hell of a lot better in the winters?

I just don’t understand what exactly a Canadian city offers you that a US one wouldn’t. Which is why the vast majority of these guys want to live in the US and not Canada.

NYC and Chicago offer what Toronto does. I don't think any other American city offers as vibrant and livable downtown core. Not many American cities have a theatre district, a comparable night-life/entertainment district, nor Michelin-starred restaurants.

If you want to live in a mansion in a subdivision with better weather, lower taxes, but live in constant gridlock commuting from the suburbs go right ahead. That's just not what I value in life, and not how I would choose to live if I'm making millions of dollars. If that's what NHLers or you prefer fine. But, not many American cities offer living in an urban environment in or near a downtown core like Toronto does.

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

5. Canada teams-That place is a shithole
4. Cali teams-See above
3. New York teams- See above
2. Chicago-See above
1. Toronto

 

[666]

Any red (Republican) U.S. state which includes Texas, Florida (what a mess), The Carolinas, Ohio, Tennessee and Missouri.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

NYC and Chicago offer what Toronto does. I don't think any other American city offers as vibrant and livable downtown core. Not many American cities have a theatre district, a comparable night-life/entertainment district, nor Michelin-starred restaurants.

If you want to live in a mansion in a subdivision with better weather, lower taxes, but live in constant gridlock commuting from the suburbs go right ahead. That's just not what I value in life, and not how I would choose to live if I'm making millions of dollars. If that's what NHLers or you prefer fine. But, not many American cities offer living in an urban environment in or near a downtown core like Toronto does.

Wait you actually think only Chicago and New York offer that in the entirety of the USA?

You are right there are no Michelin star restaurants anywhere else but those two cities. There are 5 US cities with more Michelin star restaurants than Toronto. Almost 6 with Miami.

I’m not touching the theatre district comment because there are literally too many cities to count that have those.

There’s also a healthy handful of US cities that do nightlife better than Toronto. Hell Toronto doesn’t even have the best nightlife in Canada. Montreal easily takes that.

I guess I can give you the livability so 1 out of 4 isn’t too bad. But like I said countless times, these guys can afford condos in the best downtown buildings. No one has to worry about being in the suburbs and traffic if they really care that much about it.

 

[93LEAFS]

Wait you actually think only Chicago and New York offer that in the entirety of the USA?

You are right there are no Michelin star restaurants anywhere else but those two cities. There are 5 US cities with more Michelin star restaurants than Toronto. Almost 6 with Miami.

I’m not touching the theatre district comment because there are literally too many cities to count that have those.

There’s also a healthy handful of US cities that do nightlife better than Toronto. Hell Toronto doesn’t even have the best nightlife in Canada. Montreal easily takes that.

I guess I can give you the livability so 1 out of 4 isn’t too bad.

And they all have those things wrapped up in a very livable downtown-core? I didn't list them as exclusive. I listed the combination as rare. I know LA, Bay-Area and Miami have Michelin-starred restaurants. I believe Vegas does too. So, yeah, only Chicago and NYC really offer that to a better or comparable level. You could argue SF or South Beach, but SF doesn't have a team, and the Panthers play in Broward county.

Toronto does high-end Nightlife better than Monteal (which is the bracket you are in as an NHL player), Montreal does night-life better overall.

 

[AvroArrow]

1) Arizona - Too many reasons
2) Winnipeg - Weather
3) All the Cali teams - Strongly against what the state government is doing
4) Columbus - Ohio, not a fan
5) Chicago - The Kyle Beach situation
6) Detroit - Not a fan of the city

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

NYC and Chicago offer what Toronto does. I don't think any other American city offers as vibrant and livable downtown core. Not many American cities have a theatre district, a comparable night-life/entertainment district, nor Michelin-starred restaurants.

If you want to live in a mansion in a subdivision with better weather, lower taxes, but live in constant gridlock commuting from the suburbs go right ahead. That's just not what I value in life, and not how I would choose to live if I'm making millions of dollars. If that's what NHLers or you prefer fine. But, not many American cities offer living in an urban environment in or near a downtown core like Toronto does.

Wait you actually think only Chicago and New York offer that in the entirety of the USA?

You are right there are no Michelin star restaurants anywhere else but those two cities. There are 5 US cities with more Michelin star restaurants than Toronto. Almost 6 with Miami.

I’m not touching the theatre district comment because there are literally too many cities to count that have those.

There’s also a healthy handful of US cities that do nightlife better than Toronto. Hell Toronto doesn’t even have the best nightlife in Canada. Montreal easily takes that.

I guess I can give you the livability so 1 out of

And they all have those things wrapped up in a very livable downtown-core? I didn't list them as exclusive. I listed the combination as rare. I know LA, Bay-Area and Miami have Michelin-starred restaurants. I believe Vegas does too. So, yeah, only Chicago and NYC really offer that to a better or comparable level. You could argue SF or South Beach, but SF doesn't have a team, and the Panthers play in Broward county.

Toronto does high-end Nightlife better than Monteal (which is the bracket you are in as an NHL player), Montreal does night-life better overall.

So you just named a bunch of places that a player with money would rather be. Add in the weather factor and you have a couple more.

Not hard to see why Canada continues to lose out on these players.

 

[93LEAFS]

But those deindustrialization examples correspond with the booms down south and out west. So a lot of people who left the smog in Cleveland and Pittsburgh just ended up in a city or a dense suburb in Texas or Arizona. Which is why you find Steelers and Browns bars in every city in the south and southwest.

Saw you added this after. Personally, I'm just not a fan of suburban living. Although, I do get why it counts under urban for the UNs definition. Probably why my list is dramatically different than some people posting here. I'm always going to be partial to cities with vibrant downtown cores/areas. If I'm an NHL player with options I'm living somewhere like River North in Chicago, Greenwich Village in NYC, near Crecent St in MTL, Georgetown in DC, or Back Bay in Boston (just using cities I'm familliar with). The last thing that would intrigue me is going to NYC to live in Long Island or Westchester, or since you seem to be a DC local given your references, to live in DC but end up in Fairfax, Virginia.

Wait you actually think only Chicago and New York offer that in the entirety of the USA?

You are right there are no Michelin star restaurants anywhere else but those two cities. There are 5 US cities with more Michelin star restaurants than Toronto. Almost 6 with Miami.

I’m not touching the theatre district comment because there are literally too many cities to count that have those.

There’s also a healthy handful of US cities that do nightlife better than Toronto. Hell Toronto doesn’t even have the best nightlife in Canada. Montreal easily takes that.

I guess I can give you the livability so 1 out of

So you just named a bunch of places that a player with money would rather be. Add in the weather factor and you have a couple more.

Not hard to see why Canada continues to lose out on these players.

You keep talking about Canada as a whole. Toronto doesn't tend to lose out on players they want to keep or are trying to get. Your lifestyle in Calgary or Edmonton as an NHL player is dramatically different than Toronto. Just like your life in Columbus or Buffalo is dramatically different than NYC or Chicago.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

5. Canada teams-That place is a shithole
4. Cali teams-See above
3. New York teams- See above
2. Chicago-See above
1. Toronto

can you please culture war more, you're not culture warrior-ing enough

so transparent

btw how's Phoenix these days

 

[Rich Nixon]

Saw you added this after. Personally, I'm just not a fan of suburban living. Although, I do get why it counts under urban for the UNs definition. Probably why my list is dramatically different than some people posting here. I'm always going to be partial to cities with vibrant downtown cores/areas. If I'm an NHL player with options I'm living somewhere like River North in Chicago, Greenwich Village in NYC, near Crecent St in MTL, Georgetown in DC, or Back Bay in Boston (just using cities I'm familliar with). The last thing that would intrigue me is going to NYC to live in Long Island or Westchester, or since you seem to be a DC local given your references, to live in DC but end up in Fairfax, Virginia.

I used to think I liked really big cities like Montreal and New York, but I actually like a good small-to-mid-sized city more than anything. Grew up in the most cookie-cutter Philly suburbs, but got my urban studies and writing degrees in Pittsburgh and stayed there for a few years before a stint in Nashville and a few years in Asbury Park, NJ—a large beach town with twice the population density of Pittsburgh and a robust restaurant, bar, and music scene. It kinda feels like a single neighborhood broke off NYC and drifted down the coast.

Had a reporting job that sent me to most cities around the country for a week at a time for years, did a lot of exploring in them to get a good sense of place.

Pittsburgh is my favorite city in the country, to be honest—it's the right mix of everything, pretty affordable and friendly, small enough that you'll never really get lost, and built on terrain that forces it to have a lot of woods and quiet places in the city itself. So you can go get drunk and be seen and all that, or you can go disappear and stare at one of the rivers, and either way you're never more than like 20 minutes from your door. Not to mention its past prominence mean it has a lot of things that no city its size should have, like the Carnegie Museums.

Ended up in the suburbs once we had a kid, because of course.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I'd waive for any team that is a Cup contender...I wanna win first, I can live where ever I want after my career (which is extremely short compared to normal jobs)

as of right now though:

1. Arizona (org. is a perpetual mess, don't wanna play in a college barn)
2. Winnipeg (not close to a Cup + weather)
3. Minny (same as Winnipeg but a bit closer to a contender)
4. SJ (bad team + very high taxes)
5. Anaheim (same as SJ)
6. Calgary (mediocre as always, plus it's the Flames)
7. Montreal (bad team, very high taxes)

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Edmonton
Calgary
Winnipeg
Ottawa
Florida
Tampa
Arizona
Columbus
Vegas

 

[notbias]

Toronto...culture of losing
California teams(all)...bad state government
New York teams(all)...bad state government
Washington. DC...bad local government, too political
Chicago...bad local government
Boston...the rest of New England refers to MA as massholes...for deservedly good reasons.

"culture of losing" omits teams that have never won a cup EVER or even ones that have missed the playoffs for 12 straight years... use logic?

 

[I am Canadian]

Arizona
Philly [Torts]
Columbus [Babcock]
Winnipeg
Buffalo
Calgary

 

[Captain97]

San Jose
Anaheim
LA - Not a California Fan
Arizona
Winnipeg

Not a California Fan, Arizona is obvious, and my girlfriend from a tropical climate would murder me in Winnipeg.

If I got 10

Edmonton (see Winnipeg reason, above Winnipeg because I have family in edmonton)
New York Rangers & Islanders
New Jersey (Canadian esque taxes without my family)
Ottawa (not a huge fan of Ottawa as a city outside of the Shawarma)