Value of: Which bad contract could the Leafs trade Tavares for?

[kevsh]

Seems like they'd prefer just keeping Tavares.

It's not about what Toronto wants, Tavares isn't not waiving to be moved somewhere else for reasons already mentioned in every other Tavares proposal thread (and a few more times in this one).

The only realistic way I see it happening is in the last year of his deal and at the trade deadline the Leafs are out of playoff contention, maybe he waives to go to a playoff team for a run. Until then, any proposal involving Tavares is a complete waste of effort.

 

[McJedi]

Pretty sure only way Tavares accepts is if Dubas makes his life an absolute hell.

That would play well in the locker room and around the NHL.

Do you know the concept of Pyrrhic victory? Look it up if not. This would be one of those.

 

[M2Beezy]

If the Leafs retain to match Myers $6 million going back I would do this:

To Vancouver: Tavares (retained) and 2023 3rd round pick

To Toronto: Myers, Sutter, Petan, 2023 5th round pick

Then:

Miller Pettersson Brock Boeser
Garland Horvat Hoglander
Pearson Tavares Podkolzin
Motte Lammikko Dickinson

 

[BlueMed]

It's not about a first round win, it's about having the horses to win 4 rounds.

But Toronto doesn't even have the horses to win 1 round...let alone 4.

 

[63 others]

Uhh what team doesn't have any overpayments on their roster? We paid 11m to get him and it was less than what was being offered.

What year are you stuck in again?

Yeah yeah, a few millions here, a few millions there...

Cool, so SJ offered more? It should be well known that these guys are nuts down there.

And you wonder why your team fails to win a round causevof missing depth. But its the beginning of the season, so all good in leafland

 

[KrisLetAngry]

As a not Leafs fan.

He is fine and is not traded for a salary dump. He is not on an albatross contract and is a big contributor to the team.

 

[Jared Dunn]

* Nobody says no to Tavares at $11M.
* Matthews contract is legit. He's one of the best young players in the NHL
* Marner's contract should in between what Barzal and Point are making IMO. About $1M - $2M too much. If Marner was not on a stacked offensive team, he would be more like a 80 pts guy like Barzal.
* Nothing wrong with Nylander's contract... just took too long to get it signed.

If the cap grew like it was projected and Covid didn't come along... it would look much better.

Matthews and Marner are really the only two I'm referring to, Willy's deal at this point is a steal to be honest and I agree with you on JT but, hindsight... Matthews AAV is great for what he brings no doubt, but they absolutely should have been able to get him to max term at that dollar figure and Marner like you said somewhere in that range of overpayment though after last year's playoffs I'd say the higher end

I simply mean that before, during and after these contract negotiations teams got their RFAs to better deals than Toronto did, not calling them albatross deals but with or without COVID, Dubas got beat in those two negotiations

 

[Jared Dunn]

Because Akrapovince initially brought forth the premise that even though Tavares has a high cap hit, Toronto has a great tendency to sign other good players to super cheap deals, thus making them a good team and therefore his contract a nonissue. His defense for Toronto losing in the playoffs recently was luck, which I disagreed with.

Circling back, Toronto did not handle Tavares' contract negotiations effectively. Considering it was pajama boy's dream to come home and play for his home town, it makes no sense for Toronto to not have been able to sign him for less than 10M. Of course there were other teams that were offering up to 13M AAV, but that doesn't necessarily make 11M AAV a good deal either.

This is a completely ridiculous premise, and you noted why in literally the next line.

 

[Fogelhund]

Tavares isn't being traded now, or at any point in time. Tavares trade thread, is a bad thread. Kill it.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yeah yeah, a few millions here, a few millions there...

Cool, so SJ offered more? It should be well known that these guys are nuts down there.

And you wonder why your team fails to win a round causevof missing depth. But its the beginning of the season, so all good in leafland

2nd and 3rd leading scorers in the playoffs were Kerfoot and Spezza, depth was not the issue, Matthews and especially Marner not playing up to par was

 

[BlueMed]

This is a completely ridiculous premise, and you noted why in literally the next line.

If Toronto was his childhood dream team, why should it take 11M per year to convince him to play for them? I would find it hard to believe Tavares (and Marner for that matter) wouldn't have signed for 9M AAV each if Dubas negotiated it properly. Had they both done that, that would have shored an extra 4 M AAV to use on a real complimentary player rather than trying to integrate washed up veterans with a core group of entitled star players that have achieved nothing in their careers.

 

[Jared Dunn]

If Toronto was his childhood dream team, why should it take 11M per year to convince him to play for them? I would find it hard to believe Tavares (and Marner for that matter) wouldn't have signed for 9M AAV each if Dubas negotiated it properly. Had they both done that, that would have shored an extra 4 M AAV to use on a real complimentary player rather than trying to integrate washed up veterans with a core group of entitled star players that have achieved nothing in their careers.

Did the NHLPA fold in this dream scenario as well?

 

[BlueMed]

Did the NHLPA fold in this dream scenario as well?

I'm not sure what you mean. Players take hometown discounts all the time.

 

[notbias]

Tavares is barely a 1C anymore. He’s due for a fall off while Trouba started slow with NYR and has been getting better and better every season. He’s been elite defensively lately and the team isn’t the same without him. I genuinely wouldn’t trade Trouba for Tavares, he’s way too valuable to the team

I completely trust your player evaluation and can tell you have no irrational love for NYR players.

Scheifele and Bergeron I would have to really disagree on. Look at who Scheifele and Bergeron have played with at 5v5 over the last few seasons compared to Zibanejad. Schiefele has never shown he has Zibanejad’s peak play. Bergeron is better defensively, but he plays with Marchand and Pastrnak compared to Zib who has played with Kreider and Buchnevich over the last few years. I would be intrigued to see what he produces in Bergeron’s position. Likely 50+ goals and 60+ assists

 

[Jared Dunn]

I'm not sure what you mean. Players take hometown discounts all the time.

Like you already admitted, he did take a hometown discount. The NHLPA consistently pushes for players to take the best deal available as it has a positive impact on other player salaries

Taking a hometown discount with the team that owns your rights is not the same as going to UFA and having multiple teams present real offers in front of your face

 

[BlueMed]

Like you already admitted, he did take a hometown discount. The NHLPA consistently pushes for players to take the best deal available as it has a positive impact on other player salaries

Taking a hometown discount with the team that owns your rights is not the same as going to UFA and having multiple teams present real offers in front of your face

He could have taken a bigger hometown discount. After all, it's been his dream since he was a child to play for Toronto, right? What I am getting at is, Dubas is terrible at negotiating, and Tavares should have seen this cap situation coming even before he signed. I'm glad that team is getting bounced in the first round over and over and over. It's gonna be amazing if it happens again this season.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It's not about what Toronto wants, Tavares isn't not waiving to be moved somewhere else for reasons already mentioned in every other Tavares proposal thread (and a few more times in this one).

The only realistic way I see it happening is in the last year of his deal and at the trade deadline the Leafs are out of playoff contention, maybe he waives to go to a playoff team for a run. Until then, any proposal involving Tavares is a complete waste of effort.

It is partly what Toronto wants beacuse they want the same thing currently. However, I agee the only way he gets traded is under the condition you have suggested.

 

[A1LeafNation]

But Toronto doesn't even have the horses to win 1 round...let alone 4.

So the solution is to get rid of them?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Yeah yeah, a few millions here, a few millions there...

Cool, so SJ offered more? It should be well known that these guys are nuts down there.

And you wonder why your team fails to win a round causevof missing depth. But its the beginning of the season, so all good in leafland

Literally JT and Marner are 1m overpaid. So 2m. That's it.

Name a team that hasn't overpaid players 2m collectively.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You certainly aren't wrong, but the same could be said for every team in the NHL. Covid created unexpected cap headaches league wide.

Timing of when the Leafs had to sign those contracts vs other RFA's who have signed during Covid flat cap years is the difference. So you can't say that for every team but maybe a few.

 

[boredmale]

As an Islanders fan I would be open to taking him back because I think we still need that 2nd big scorer along with Barzal.

Maybe something liek Tavares @ 10M for Nelson, Hickey and Komarov(that last 2 to even out the caphit)

 

[Leaf Fans]

As an Islanders fan I would be open to taking him back because I think we still need that 2nd big scorer along with Barzal.

Maybe something liek Tavares @ 10M for Nelson, Hickey and Komarov(that last 2 to even out the caphit)

No, lol

 

[Seras]

It's nice to know that the many of the leaf haters are as stupid as many of the leaf fans.

 

[ACC1224]

His deal is bad and and he isn't really what the Leafs need, but is it bad enough to trade for Karlsson or the Predators forwards or something? Seems like they'd prefer just keeping Tavares. Trouba getting traded to a Canadian team would be hilarious.

Tavares = NMC

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Rangers would say no on Trouba. He’s too important to the team and tonight he showed it. Has lowkey been better than Fox to start the season, saved an OT goal tonight and has been stellar defensively while Fox has looked a bit shaky aside from period 2 in the Dallas game. Not to mention how lost NYR looked without Trouba at the end of last season

Did this dude just say Trouba has been "lowkey better than Fox to start the season"? LMAO. I like Trouba but please get a new pair of eyes with which to watch these games, young man.