Value of: Which bad contract could the Leafs trade Tavares for?

[bernmeister]

His deal is bad and and he isn't really what the Leafs need, but is it bad enough to trade for Karlsson or the Predators forwards or something? Seems like they'd prefer just keeping Tavares. Trouba getting traded to a Canadian team would be hilarious.

Rangers would say no on Trouba. He’s too important to the team and tonight he showed it. Has lowkey been better than Fox to start the season, saved an OT goal tonight and has been stellar defensively while Fox has looked a bit shaky aside from period 2 in the Dallas game. Not to mention how lost NYR looked without Trouba at the end of last season

Rather keep him for now, plus he has an NMC

Marner is the one I’m open to moving

Best ask Pyjama-boy because he's the one in complete control of the situation.

The only thing the Leafs control is a buyout. A buyout that happens to save the Leafs a grand total of only 910K on a 24M remaining salary. Also even in a buyout they save virtually no cap hit. Only save 600K a year for the next three years and they'd have an extra 300K in cap hit for the three years after that (2025-20028.)

They can't even send him to the minors. LOL

The Leafs are not giving away a PPG #1C for free. He is retiring in Toronto and probably comes back on a Spezza deal when his current contract is over.

He won't be worth 11m in the last few years of his deal, but he is still a 1st line C with a strong two-way game, elite on draws with intangibles. In three years, he's played one full/regular series, the others being a qualifier/concussion. I'd sooner move Marner.


Oh please. Your management would eat that trade up in a second. Trouba isn't even a top pair D and he's on a bloated contract. These players aren't in the same stratosphere.

It doesn't matter what the Leafs would prefer. It doesn't matter what bad contracts other teams might be inclined to swap for him. It matters that Tavares wants to be a Leaf, has an ironclad NMC, and the structure of his contract makes it essentially buyout proof (since it's mostly signing bonuses.)

Correct. Trouba is fine. He’s handling all the toughest defensive matchups and also very important for Miller’s development. If he were to go, it would be to shed, not add salary.
His salary is a bit high and that’s exacerbated by the flat cap. But much more manageable than Tavares’ cap hit.

no time to read 5 pgs

He is leafs, for better or worse, 3 seasons after this.
Full nmc, zero ability to juggle.

Only point not raised is if Leafs can lobby w/other owners for return of complaince buy outs. Team pays (most of?) balance of salary, no hit on cap. Howev, owners not likely to bite.

Trouba...
has improved
is available for a trade theoretically b'c must move his cap to get ahead of the curve, but
in actuality is not available now due to his controlling NMC for 'nother coupla yrs

He would likely not waive to go to Canada. Might go south, not north.

Just to exhaust the idea, a declining older Tavares at 11 for an in his prime Trouba at 8 makes less than zero sense for the Rangers.
Even if players agreed to swap and TML did max 50% retention, so NY w/11 reduced to 5.5, then 8 - 5.5. would save NY 2.5 in cap, that is not enough.

Agree fully w/ @Lays JT for JT is a no for NY.
Disagree he is not peddled first chance of an acceptable return b'c need to make cap + also room for Schneider

 

[BlueMed]

You did a nice job of showing us that YOU were the one not watching. Aside from game 7 and Carey Price, it was all leafs last year. Yeah they didn’t produce, but they did play well.

You can't say a team played well when they were up 3-1 and ended up losing the series 4-3. Toronto's top line of Marner and Matthews got dominated by Montreal, a team with a max forward caphit of 6.5M. Pathetic.

 

[The90]

You can't say a team played well when they were up 3-1 and ended up losing the series 4-3. Toronto's top line of Marner and Matthews got dominated by Montreal, a team with a max forward caphit of 6.5M. Pathetic.

Yes I can. I actually just did. They should’ve won that series. They outplayed montreal in games 5/6 and lost. It’s possible to play well and score. It happens. They literally just did the same thing against the Rangers. If you’re unable to differentiate a game you played well and lost in, from a game you didn’t play well and scored 2 goals / won, you aren’t very knowledgeable about the ebbs and flows of a hockey game.

Should they have won? Yes. Did they run into a hot goalie? Also yes. They lost because Montreals Elite goalie in price outplayed the leafs elite talent. That doesn’t mean they were bad, it means Price was better. If you re ran that series 9 more times, Montreal might win 1 more series.

 

[BlueMed]

Yes I can. I actually just did. They should’ve won that series. They outplayed montreal in games 5/6 and lost. It’s possible to play well and score. It happens. They literally just did the same thing against the Rangers. If you’re unable to differentiate a game you played well and lost in, from a game you didn’t play well and scored 2 goals / won, you aren’t very knowledgeable about the ebbs and flows of a hockey game.

Should they have won? Yes. Did they run into a hot goalie? Also yes. They lost because Montreals Elite goalie in price outplayed the leafs elite talent. That doesn’t mean they were bad, it means Price was better. If you re ran that series 9 more times, Montreal might win 1 more series.

This is a complete loser take. And trust me, I understand this rationale as a life-long Blues fan who justified our shortcomings every single post season until our team evolved from an annual pretender into a real contender. Truthfully, Toronto got dominated during games 5, 6, and 7. I don't want to detract from the main purpose of this thread, but please don't tell yourself one minute that Carey Price was just a hot goaltender and the next minute he's an elite goaltender. The reality is, Montreal is built for the playoffs (from the net outwards) and has accomplished more in 1 playoff run than Toronto has in over 20 years.

 

[The90]

This is a complete loser take. And trust me, I understand this rationale as a life-long Blues fan who justified our shortcomings every single post season until our team evolved from an annual pretender into a real contender. Truthfully, Toronto got dominated during games 5, 6, and 7. I don't want to detract from the main purpose of this thread, but please don't tell yourself one minute that Carey Price was just a hot goaltender and the next minute he's an elite goaltender. The reality is, Montreal is built for the playoffs (from the net outwards) and has accomplished more in 1 playoff run than Toronto has in over 20 years.

Lol. No it’s not. It’s reality. It sucks they lost, but it wasn’t because they were outplayed bud. Sorry. Did you actually watch the games? The fact you can go to the montreal board and go back and read how price won them those games /series should be evidence enough. I don’t care about any speeches you put up here. It’s irrelevant.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/ga...0202021&stype=3&sit=5v5&loc=B&team=TOR&rate=n

Look at those numbers. It’s not even close. And Montreal prides themselves on their wonderful advanced numbers. The leafs outshot montreal by 16 in game 6. But yeah, totally didn’t deserve to win.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Yes I can. I actually just did. They should’ve won that series. They outplayed montreal in games 5/6 and lost. It’s possible to play well and score. It happens. They literally just did the same thing against the Rangers. If you’re unable to differentiate a game you played well and lost in, from a game you didn’t play well and scored 2 goals / won, you aren’t very knowledgeable about the ebbs and flows of a hockey game.

Should they have won? Yes. Did they run into a hot goalie? Also yes. They lost because Montreals Elite goalie in price outplayed the leafs elite talent. That doesn’t mean they were bad, it means Price was better. If you re ran that series 9 more times, Montreal might win 1 more series.

And imagine the guy this thread is about wasn't injured in the first game? Perhaps the Leafs win that series.

Tavares is still good. Leafs don't want to trade him, Leafs fans don't want to trade him, Tavares doesn't want to be traded and has a NMC.

Silly thread.

 

[The90]

And imagine the guy this thread is about wasn't injured in the first game? Perhaps the Leafs win that series.

Tavares is still good. Leafs don't want to trade him, Leafs fans don't want to trade him, Tavares doesn't want to be traded and has a NMC.

Silly thread.

Very likely true. I’m not absolving our big boys of blame, but they were creating tons of chances. We just watched them do the same thing against Shesterkin the other night.

 

[M2Beezy]

Sneaky. You’ve just submitted one of the very worst trade proposals I’ve ever seen on this site.

A nearly PPG, 2C in Tavares… retained + a third for the very awful Myers contact, two NHL nobodies and a 5th rounder….

Can Toronto add Nylander and Sandin to this? Maybe a few unprotected 1sts.

Your undervaluing Myers, hed be Torontos top pair RHD. If you think the picks should be swapped I dont agree with that to keep this proposal balanced, so we add a 6th round pick too and throw in Linus Karlsson but that third should still be coming back with Tavares

 

[BlueMed]

Lol. No it’s not. It’s reality. It sucks they lost, but it wasn’t because they were outplayed bud. Sorry. Did you actually watch the games? The fact you can go to the montreal board and go back and read how price won them those games /series should be evidence enough. I don’t care about any speeches you put up here. It’s irrelevant.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/ga...0202021&stype=3&sit=5v5&loc=B&team=TOR&rate=n

Look at those numbers. It’s not even close. And Montreal prides themselves on their wonderful advanced numbers. The leafs outshot montreal by 16 in game 6. But yeah, totally didn’t deserve to win.

I did watch the game. Toronto's top players were smothered. Matthews and Marner generated nothing. Nylander was probably their best forward while Montreal played with strong defense and patiently waited for Toronto's mistakes before capitalizing on them. Did you watch the game? Or are you just looking at your "advanced stats?" which do a very poor job of telling what really happened. For instance, shots on goal never accounts for quality of shots. Montreal let Toronto shoot from the perimeter all day, which would never beat a goaltender like Price.

 

[TFHockey]

Tavares has a NMC so that makes this next to impossible, but;

Tavares (31, signed for $11 Million until 2025)

for Eichel, no medical clearance required.

Buffalo gets a really good center back and the Leafs get a big question mark in return BUT if he is healthy Eichel is the better player and seven years younger. Toronto also gets a million cap savings.

 

[The90]

I did watch the game. Toronto's top players were smothered. Matthews and Marner generated nothing. Nylander was probably their best forward while Montreal played with strong defense and patiently waited for Toronto's mistakes before capitalizing on them. Did you watch the game? Or are you just looking at your "advanced stats?" which do a very poor job of telling what really happened. For instance, shots on goal never accounts for quality of shots. Montreal let Toronto shoot from the perimeter all day, which would never beat a goaltender like Price.

Lol. I’m sorry but if you watched those games and you came away with montreal outplayed Toronto, there’s a different agenda at play here because it’s just not reality. Not to the eye test and not in advanced stats. Toronto didn’t shoot muffins from the perimeter big guy. They had multiple grade A scoring chances from point blank and never scored. Montreal clung on for that series and did just enough to win. Not the other way around.

If that’s actually your take, I’d be curious if you played hockey yourself or even have a solid grasp of the game in general.

 

[beardawg]

I'd do Duchene+ from Nashville pretty easily

 

[BlueMed]

Lol. I’m sorry but if you watched those games and you came away with montreal outplayed Toronto, there’s a different agenda at play here because it’s just not reality. Not to the eye test and not in advanced stats. Toronto didn’t shoot muffins from the perimeter big guy. They had multiple grade A scoring chances from point blank and never scored. Montreal clung on for that series and did just enough to win. Not the other way around.

If that’s actually your take, I’d be curious if you played hockey yourself or even have a solid grasp of the game in general.

Been watching the game for over 20 years. Played competitive ice hockey for 7 years. Even Keefe admitted that Matthews and Marner were getting dominated that series. I guess he doesn't have a solid grasp of the game either.

 

[The90]

Been watching the game for over 20 years. Played competitive ice hockey for 7 years. Even Keefe admitted that Matthews and Marner were getting dominated that series. I guess he doesn't have a solid grasp of the game either.

Even 7 years eh. Wow.

Source for the made up keefe comment? None huh.

 

[BlueMed]

Even 7 years eh. Wow.

Source for the made up keefe comment? None huh.

I already put the source. Go back and watch the video clip again.

 

[34]

Both Tavares and Marner have to go. I don’t think either are Tradable at this point. They are quite simply put…awful.

Tavares is barely an nhl caliber player anymore.

 

[The90]

I already put the source. Go back and watch the video clip again.

I’m good. I watched the series. Don’t think you did. That or 7 years wasn’t enough. Anywho I’ll agree to disagree

 

[StlBill]

Both Tavares and Marner have to go. I don’t think either are Tradable at this point. They are quite simply put…awful.

Tavares is barely an nhl caliber player anymore.

I haven’t watched any of the Leafs games this year, but is he really that bad? Or are Leafs fans just more frustrated with his and Marner’s quagmire contracts?

 

[Morbo]

Both Tavares and Marner have to go. I don’t think either are Tradable at this point. They are quite simply put…awful.

Tavares is barely an nhl caliber player anymore.

I'm sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[34]

I haven’t watched any of the Leafs games this year, but is he really that bad? Or are Leafs fans just more frustrated with his and Marner’s quagmire contracts?

I am a Leaf fan, and both Marner and JT are that bad.

$21.9M in wasted cap.

 

[34]

I'm sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous.

How so? You actually think they are playing up to the par of $21.9M. Honestly…

 

[sparxx87]

Been watching the game for over 20 years. Played competitive ice hockey for 7 years. Even Keefe admitted that Matthews and Marner were getting dominated that series. I guess he doesn't have a solid grasp of the game either.

Most interesting was Keefe literally acknowledging this but doing nothing about it. No line shuffling, no real attempt to get Matthews away from Danault etc.

… Dubas made some silly comment after game 5 or 6 about the numbers eventually normalizing so no need for adjustments despite Montréal’s adjustments completely changing the complexion of the series.

Keefe is either a puppet or an incompetent coach. Possibly both.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Tavares for eichel

 

[varano]

Wtf is this thread? We will keep him thanks.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Rangers would say no on Trouba. He’s too important to the team and tonight he showed it. Has lowkey been better than Fox to start the season, saved an OT goal tonight and has been stellar defensively while Fox has looked a bit shaky aside from period 2 in the Dallas game. Not to mention how lost NYR looked without Trouba at the end of last season

This was sounding remotely coherent until the better than Fox comment. Hell to the damn no.