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What's up with Cole Caufield?
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Did Gainey trade for Weber, Petry, Suzuki, Danault, Edmundson, Armia sign Toffoli, Perry, Chiarot, Price, draft Lehkonen, Caufield, Evans, Romanov. Rode Gainey's asset, come on man.
There wasn't a single defenseman from Gainey's era still on the team when we made the finals. Only forward was Gallagher and I believe he was officially drafted under Gauthier.
I agree he gave out some bad contracts and his tenure ended badly... but it's a cycle game too. Of course I'd be more then happy if he didn't sign Armia, Hoffman and Savard(not too bad considering we need vet presence on the team and he isn't taking any youngster's spot at RD) last summer, but we likely won't need that cap for a few years anyway.
Biggest mistake was keeping (his buddies) amateur scouting and player developement departments untouched with so many years of failure.
In retrospec, I think we can also say Bergevin was a very good season manager, but a horrible summer manager .
Yes. And if you recall Patches took control of his own development and requested to be sent down to Hamilton Bulldogs because he wasn't being played in Montreal. Thought it would be better for his development if he was playing regularly as opposed to watching .
He looks like the lead singer from Herman's Hermits and nobody will take him serious now
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Price - inherited by MB
Weber - MB inherited Norris trophy winner Subban trades for Weber.
Suzuki - MB inherits highest scoring winger Habs have had since the 90s....trades him for Suzuki.
Bergevin took a bubble team with Price and turned it into a bubble team with Price. In ten years without developing anyone he drafted into a great player.
The team he left for the city and its fans is the worst team in the history of a 114 year old franchise.
A colossal failure and a waste of the the core he inherited.
Which included a future Hart trophy winner and a future Norris trophy winner . Both in their prime.
18th place Habs three best players in last years fluke run.
Price - inherited by MB
Weber - MB inherited Norris trophy winner Subban trades for Weber.
Suzuki - MB inherits highest scoring winger Habs have had since the 90s....trades him for Suzuki.
Bergevin took a bubble team with Price and turned it into a bubble team with Price. In ten years without developing anyone he drafted into a great player.
The team he left for the city and its fans is the worst team in the history of a 114 year old franchise.
A colossal failure and a waste of the the core he inherited.
Which included a future Hart trophy winner and a future Norris trophy winner . Both in their prime.
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People don’t seem to realize the impact Danault is having in LA. His line has been our best line all season, no matter who has been on his wings. His wingers have also played their best hockey when they’ve been on his line, no matter who it has been. Trevor Moore has been absolutely tearing it up on his wing with more than a point per game over the last 20 games. Before playing with Danault he had 1 or 2 points in his first 20 games.If that's the argument you're trying to make, you should be looking at this guy:
Who would have guessed that a small, one-dimensional winger would have trouble adapting to the NHL? Shocking, really.
Danault has been the best center in LA this season, outplaying Kopitar. Nobody expected it but Danault has been far better than advertised and is easily the best free agent signing LA have made since the cup runs and maybe the best I can recall (I’m talking 30 years plus). Granted it’s only year one of his contract but so far it looks a great deal.
It’s hard to figure that his loss hasn’t hurt Montreal both on and off the ice.
Started the year ice cold + had the yips which extended long enough for him to start losing confidence and it's just been a bad spiral since then. He's not realistically going to produce on a 3rd/4th line with grinders but also you can't realistically put him with Suzuki because you don't want to tank his production (a big part of Suzuki's "bad" season is just Hoffman and Caufield, he had 1P in 10 games with Hoffman recently and 8P in 7 games with Lehkonen and Toffoli) so there's just nowhere to put him.
It's a rough spot. I'm "concerned" in that a season like this should certainly make you lower your absolute ceiling on a player. A truly elite scorer is just not going to go this cold for this long so the upper upper ceiling has to be diminished, but I'm not all that worried in terms of the long term projection where he can be in a top 6 and a strong PP weapon. If he's Mike Cammalleri or early career Mike Hoffman that's still fine with me and I still think there's a lot of upside here.
I think the "the hype was too high" is pretty silly hindsight bias though. The guy had just demolished his sophomore college season and had a great playoffs, and was in a position to be the go to offensive guy on a team seriously lacking shooting talent. It obviously hasn't worked out like that, but I think it's silly to look at him now and say it was never reasonable to think he could have competed for the Calder.
It's a rough spot. I'm "concerned" in that a season like this should certainly make you lower your absolute ceiling on a player. A truly elite scorer is just not going to go this cold for this long so the upper upper ceiling has to be diminished, but I'm not all that worried in terms of the long term projection where he can be in a top 6 and a strong PP weapon. If he's Mike Cammalleri or early career Mike Hoffman that's still fine with me and I still think there's a lot of upside here.
I think the "the hype was too high" is pretty silly hindsight bias though. The guy had just demolished his sophomore college season and had a great playoffs, and was in a position to be the go to offensive guy on a team seriously lacking shooting talent. It obviously hasn't worked out like that, but I think it's silly to look at him now and say it was never reasonable to think he could have competed for the Calder.
Dude the team he inherited finished at the bottom of the standings in 2012 and had multiple bad contracts including Gomez, Gionta, Bourque with next to no prospects. After 2007, the only NHLer drafted by Timmins was Gallagher (before Bergevin's arrival). He didn't inherited a team any worse/better then he's giving up. IMO a lot of that also falls under the ownership lack of leadership too. Molson didn't spend up to the cap for most of the season in which we had a 'strong core', he was happy with one round of the playoff and a full Bell center.
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Yeah I remember, good thing he told the org how to develop him god knows what would have happened if he didint speak up , sad
What a ridiculous thread. We can all agree he should be playing in the ahl (and the only explanation for him been in the nhl this year is because Montreal actually had to rely on players that started the year as low as the echl to fill the lineup.
The entire season is an absolute crap and this will look completely stupid in about 2 years.
The entire season is an absolute crap and this will look completely stupid in about 2 years.
Made play offs in 2008 2009 2010 . 2011 and went 7 games with Stanley cup champs. 2012 - Lost their best player, Markov for the entire season . Got Markov back for 2013 and went right back to play offs. At this time Bergevin had Price , Subban , in their prime. Also has Markov back and third over all pick.
Three seasons later - after Bergevins cracker jack managing the Canadiens were sucking ass ....and kept sucking ass......and are now the worst team in the league.
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Imo he wasn't in the best scenario at all with a poor prospect pool, bad contracts and a bad leadership from the owner.
Gee, where did that just transpire again? So Bergevin got fired because the team was in the same state as when he got hired. I agree.
But is should be noted when Bergie took over he was given a young Carey Price and a young PK Subban. Hughes only wished he had that.
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He had very high goal totals with the USNTDP. Off that and some scouting reports, Habs fans were convinced they drafted a surefire superstar within the hour of his drafting and it just kept going from there.
It's a bit amusing to me to see the talk of him not being put in an optimal position to succeed. It was the same line being fed during his run with team USA at the WJC. If Caufield just had some decent linemates he'd be right up there with Zegras among the scoring leaders. Maybe he's just not earning his place in optimal situations to succeed?
Sometimes hard for a player to do that. Sounds obvious to the average fan, but you are basically asking to go from 1st class travel and 5 star hotels to riding the bus grinding 3 games in 3 days staying in a Holiday Inn while making 8% of what you make in the NHL (maybe even less depending on the structure of your bonuses). Yes, obviously, if the payoff comes true like Patches you make it back tenfold on your next deal. Also, for most guys who go straight to the NHL out of the CHL or NCAA this is their first real taste of extended failure.
We didn't tank for Marner or Nylander. We just were a terribly constructed team that sucked. Those were two years of Nonis trying to save his job, he def wasn't tanking, he just built a terribly flawed team. We only really had one year of intentionally bottoming out.
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They could also trade him (not saying they would or should). So to your point, no they are not the only two options.Those are actually the only options
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Moore is doing alot on his own. He is not a passenger and certainly not doing well because of Danault who is playing well in his own right.
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Why would they? They can't get crap back for him!
They could also out right release him if you want to get really silly too.
They are the only REALISTIC options better? (no wonder you can't have an intelligent conversation with Habs fans)
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A lot of people had him ranked much higher than he went, so people bought into the hype that way to. Button had him at 4, Pronman at 5, Peters at 6, McKenzie at 9.
That's fair. I still saw a lot of fans default to his goal totals to give an answer to why he was such a steal/why he'd be a superstar.
I mean don't get me wrong, I don't think there's anything wrong with being hyped about a draft pick but when it moves into overhyped, it should be expected that people will fixate on the prospect not living up to the incredibly high expectations placed upon him.
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When the Wild were picking at 12... our board lost it we couldn't believe Boldy fell that far. We were thinking Caufield would be a possibility prior to draft day, but the moment Boldy was available, it was Boldy all the way! Biggest no brainer pick the Wild had since Gaborik at 3rd overall.
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I literally predicted this in the bold predictions thread at the start of the season and the post had like 40 likes.
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