What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[DarkKnight]

I can’t point to an instance in Matthews entire hockey life that indicates he’s a winner. Can the Leafs take the chance and pay him 15 million based on what he brings to the team?
If they do, they’ll have to find some inexpensive guys to carry him.

I can point to several instances in Matthews entire hockey life that indicates he’s a loser.

It’s absurd if this guy gets the biggest contract in the league, patently ridiculous by any measure.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't disagree with this at all.

I've suggested it before, but maybe he's just the Leafs Ovechkin.

Ovechkin had head shaking moments but he was a competitive SOB in the WJHC so I’m not surprised he’s won a Cup.

 

[Nineteen67]

I can point to several instances in Matthews entire hockey life that indicates he’s a loser.

It’s absurd if this guy gets the biggest contract in the league, patently ridiculous by any measure.

If I was the GM I’d point those things out to him when I’m showing how much of the pie he‘s asking for.

 

[socko]

Caufield was on pace for 46 goals last year, just signed 8 x 7.85. Should impact Nylander.

Caufield is a RFA coming off his ELC. Nylander is a pending UFA that is free to go to the highest bidder. If only they had taught Dubas this at Brock.

 

[ULF_55]

Caufield was on pace for 46 goals last year, just signed 8 x 7.85. Should impact Nylander.

I've said it several times, I think 8*8.8 just has a nice ring to it.
I think he'll want more, but maybe he could say 8.8 is enough and lead the way? ... probably not with marner and Matthews going all in in the first go round.

Caufield on pace is kind of like when Nylander was on pace for near 100 points earlier this year.
Caufield got a great deal for himself never being close to PPG.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I guess we'll find out soon enough what AM's priorities are
And I'm good either way - stays or goes

 

[ULF_55]

I said it in an other topic is one of hellebuyck or Gibson is available, should should try to get them...

I know some of you will say Gibson suck but just watch Vasilevskiy, he just lost mcdonaugh and palat defensivly and finishing with a carreer high 2.65 goal allowed game... We saw when tampa lost cernak too, it was even more difficult at time for tampa d group especially to keep their lead. Tampa D was unable to clear the front of net, so Vasilevskiy played the entire serie with screen, deflection and started to struggling really bad...

imagine play in front a d who cant clear the front of the net, unable to be 1st on rebound, unable to play 2v1,3 v2...giving up highest scoring chance and scoring chance shot against, high scoring chance and high danger shot against, playing the biggest part of the game in your own zone...

Just watched what happened with Jack Campbell/Ilya Samsonov/filip Gustavsson/ cam Talbot/ Linus ulmark to see whats a good/bad defensive team can change

If they could land Gibson for Murray, or with huge retention for little sure.

He's a reclamation project.

 

[Nineteen67]

Caufield was on pace for 46 goals last year, just signed 8 x 7.85. Should impact Nylander.

And look at the No trade clauses….the Leafs may have been sabotaged

 

[Trapper]

Caufield was on pace for 46 goals last year, just signed 8 x 7.85. Should impact Nylander.

It should but would you take 5 million less than the other two guys? Our comparables went out the window when our own internal structure was set.

 

[Nineteen67]

I guess we'll find out soon enough what AM's priorities are
And I'm good either way - stays or goes

You're only good if he stays at an AVV that doesn’t cripple the team‘s chances of winning a few rounds every other year.
His current contract extended 3 to 5 years is more than fair for a guy that’s not a gamer.

 

[DarkKnight]

If I was the GM I’d point those things out to him when I’m showing how much of the pie he‘s asking for.

Also the wrist. If that goes he’s nothing.

 

[Nineteen67]

It should but would you take 5 million less than the other two guys? Our comparables went out the window when our own internal structure was set.

The Leafs are the only team they can gouge and with ntc they should use that to get the max. If the Leafs won’t pay it, just take less with a different team in better city.

 

[thusk]

I don't disagree with this at all.

I've suggested it before, but maybe he's just the Leafs Ovechkin.

I can’t point to an instance in Matthews entire hockey life that indicates he’s a winner. Can the Leafs take the chance and pay him 15 million based on what he brings to the team?
If they do, they’ll have to find some inexpensive guys to carry him.

Matthews was 4th in hit, 3rd in blocked shot. Scored some really important goal, gm 3 he scored the second 1, gm 4 to come back, gm 5 scored a goal to give a chance of a 3rd comeback, scored an important goal gm 6... overal 1st 2 game vs florida, he was great. He didn't scored as much he should and leafs was trailing 2-0 and the pressure started to be hot... i didn't liked as much gm 3,4 and 5th under pressure... but overall biggest part of leafs key offensive moment came from matthews or rielly play

If they could land Gibson for Murray, or with huge retention for little sure.

He's a reclamation project.

For sure Murray should be include in a trade and i dont think it would be a problem for ducks.

a tandem of Gibson-Woll who would cost 700k more Murray-Campbell tandem we had... for me its a huge upgrade over last year

 

[Nineteen67]

Matthews was 4th in hit, 3rd in blocked shot. Scored some really important goal, gm 3 he scored the second 1, gm 4 to come back, gm 5 scored a goal to give a chance of a 3rd comeback, scored an important goal gm 6... overal 1st 2 game vs florida, he was great. He didn't scored as much he should and leafs was trailing 2-0 and the pressure started to be hot... i didn't liked as much gm 3,4 and 5th under pressure... but overall biggest part of leafs key offensive moment came from matthews or rielly play


For sure Murray should be include in a trade and i dont think it would be a problem for ducks.

a tandem of Gibson-Woll who would cost 700k more Murray-Campbell tandem we had... for me its a huge upgrade over last year

Precisely! He doesn't seem to be a gamer when it counts. I don’t if he’s been hurt for 5 yrs or what, but if he has, put him LTIR until the playoffs start.

 

[mydnyte]

To be clear I'm not counting contract extensions. I'm talking about trades and UFA signings.

I think we see some BIG changes on defense, I think there is a deal with Calgary that will see either Tanev, Andersson Hanifin or perhaps Wegar land in Toronto, I acknowledge Wegar would be tough because of the money but Treliving brought him to Calgary that's his guy so it's possible.

I also wonder about Connor Murphy in Chicago.

In free agency I he targets Carson Soucy, and he should Soucy, Matt Dumba because he's targeted him before, or Brian Doumulin.

I think we see atleast 2 D men brought in.

Up front I wonder if he targets Alex Killorn, reason being is Treliving likes the gritty skilled forwards, case in point Blake Coleman.

I think Killorn has 3 years left in him.

The problem is I think he gets 5 years.

I could be convinced to go to 4 years knowing the last year is probably going to be rough.

I have to admit I wouldn't hate it.

I also wonder about Max Domi, Dubas didn't seem interested but Treliving might be.

He needs to replace ROR to so I wonder about J Staal or the health of Towes.

I think big changes are coming.

For those that want a retool, I think you will get it.

his 1st deal, will be Matthews.
That needs to be finalized before UFA day, if not signed, he 'should' be dealt.
Otherwise, it will be a trade of picks at the draft.
as far as July 1st on, a UFA D-man will be his #1 signing, and as long as it isnt Holl, i dont care who he signs, as he's okay at signing D-men

 

[Trapper]

The Leafs are the only team they can gouge and with ntc they should use that to get the max. If the Leafs won’t pay it, just take less with a different team in better city.

Nylander is a 40 goal scorer who will be a UFA in one season. There is no incentive to sign until he sees what Matthews gets, what might be available UFA (Dubas is always out there and Pittsburgh will be desperate for talent). Plus his brother is there as well. I can see Nylander walking.

 

[DarkKnight]

When Matthews asks for the most money on the team, ask him who was our best player in the playoffs. When he blushes pull out a pen.

 

[Trapper]

When Matthews asks for the most money on the team, ask him who was our best player in the playoffs. When he blushes pull out a pen.

Keefe should ask him to make a list of the hardest playoff workers and MVP order and read it to the team.

 

[thusk]

Precisely! He doesn't seem to be a gamer when it counts. I don’t if he’s been hurt for 5 yrs or what, but if he has, put him LTIR until the playoffs start.

Game 3 was an important game, at a key moment

Gm 4 2 goal he scored was extremely precious when its matter

Gm 6, scored important 1st goal of the game in a decising game... it was when it counts...

I would like to see leafs using matthews with knies and jarnkrok next season. Knies bring something really interesting tonplay with matthews and using nylander like foirida using reinhart on a 3rd line

 

[Sypher04]

Not to be argumentative but the Oilers won a cup after they trading Gretzky, Chicago won a cup after they traded Buff, Anaheim won a cup after Kariya left, granted 5 years after. There is a long list of teams who star players left, only to win the cup afterwards. Losing a trade does not necessarily mean your team gets worse.

I don't think its that Matthews and Marner are the problem from a skill perspective, its the cap inflexibility that having so few people eat up so much of your cap, that is the issue, again my opinion. The gap in skill/ contribution between Matty/JT/Marner and the bottom 6 is massive. Jarnkrok, Kerfoot all being asked to play top 6 minutes, when in reality they are no where near top 6 players.

What this team needs desperately is controllable, cheap, very good to elite talent, to compliment the big ticket super stars, this is where Dubas failed, his asset management was piss poor, he thought we were close and traded away picks and prospects to supplement the elite talent and in most cases it did not work. Now our farm system is a who's who of nobody's below 5'10" .. some might become bottom 6 tweeners but outside of Knies not much to look forward to.

We need $750k young good to elite talent that plays like 2nd liners on the 3rd and 4th line, we need those players bringing a brand of aggression, talent and defensive acumen that wont be a liability, which is asking way too much of players that are inexperienced.

I have no issues trading either player. If Vaive, Sittler, Gilmour, Clark can all leave, so can Mitch and Matty.

I don’t disagree with much you wrote. My point was never you automatically lose by trading those player or can’t potentially improve as a result. I was just arguing the exact inverse of your first paragraph. Where a lot of people act like trading away one or both of these guys presents a clear path to being a better team. I think that’s overly simplistic, and while it could work out, there’s an equally good chance you don’t improve (or take a step back) and you don’t extract real value for the quality of those players you gave up.

To put it more succinctly:
Making a trade does not necessarily mean your team gets better either.

 

[mydnyte]

When Matthews asks for the most money on the team, ask him who was our best player in the playoffs. When he blushes pull out a pen.

if it wasnt for Matthews constant back-checking and 2-way play, we'd have been out in round 1.
he'd likely say he was the best player, and wouldnt be that far off.

 

[Trapper]

I don’t disagree with much you wrote. My point was never you automatically lose by trading those player or can’t potentially improve as a result. I was just arguing the exact inverse of your first paragraph. Where a lot of people act like trading away one or both of these guys presents a clear path to being a better team. I think that’s overly simplistic, and while it could work out, there’s an equally good chance you don’t improve (or take a step back) and you don’t extract real value for the quality of those players you gave up.

To put it more succinctly:
Making a trade does not necessarily mean your team gets better either.

You never want to start the changes by trading away high profile talent.
You make every other change possible.
But you also have to realize that sometimes you hit the wall. And no matter how much you try not to do the first part, you keep hitting that wall. That’s why the job requires hard choices. To push past the wall.

 

[mydnyte]

Helly might want out as well. Marner and Sammy for Helly, Connor and 2023 1st ?? Sign Bertuzzi or Barbashev. Wishful thinking.

for Marner and Sammy, I'd be looking for PLD or Scheifele (if willing to sign long term deals)
Jets may need to move one or both players

 

[Sypher04]

You never want to start the changes by trading away high profile talent.
You make every change possible.
But you also have to realize that sometimes you hit the wall. And no matter how much you try not to do the first part, you keep hitting that wall. That’s why the job requires hard choices. To push past the wall.

Agreed, 100%. I don’t envy the management here sifting through what to do here. Not only are you faced with this reality that you could move a core player and have it impact the team in the opposite manner to what you intended, but you also have to decide which player is the right one to move and live with the fall out of that decision. Good or bad. They make lots of money though, so not feeling tooo bad for them

 

[Trapper]

Agreed, 100%. I don’t envy the management here sifting through what to do here. Not only are you faced with this reality that you could move a core player and have it impact the team in the opposite manner to what you intended, but you always have to decide which player is the right one to move and live with the fall out of that decision. Good or bad. They make lots of money though, so not feeling tooo bad for them

And you are trying to decide that in the midst of all becoming UFA. Don’t trade trying to run it back and someone walks for nothing.