What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[rumman]

Only once the game is announced.

Oh, I was under the impression that you pay up front for series so home ice you pay up front for 4 games, at least that’s how I thought it use to work…….

 

[ACC1224]

Oh, I was under the impression that you pay up front for series so home ice you pay up front for 4 games, at least that’s how I thought it use to work…….

You have to commit to being in for 16 games or you can’t buy any.
They charge per game as soon as the game is announced.

 

[Hellcat]

I dont know how this team ice's a competitive team with our 2nd line center making 11mil per year. Yeah he has a NMC but Tre didn't give it to him, if I'm Tre as soon as Matty is signed, I'm working on getting JT traded.

 

[Sypher04]

it's a hockey forum, hence my opinion, and yes you could lose those trades, but who cares if it makes the team better. Cliff Fletcher knew trading Brett Hall is a losing trade, but he did it anyways because he knew it was needed for them to have a chance to win the cup, which they did. There are no absolutes, anything can happen, 34 could have a catastrophic wrist injuy next time he's slashed. If it makes the team better you shouldn't worry about who "won" the trade imo..........

I would say most people correlate losing the trade with not improving by making it, which is what I meant by losing.

There’s a very good chance trading either Matthews/Marner makes you both worse in the short and long run

 

[Menzinger]

I don’t think there is anyone that would reasonably keep Nylander over Marner, doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Most almost certainly would keep Marner.

But ultimately I think there would be a lot of factors that go into a decision that may blur things if it came down to it more than just who was the better player.

Things like future Contract and Caphit, value of the trade return, Regular season vs playoff performance, ect.

 

[rumman]

You have to commit to being in for 16 games or you can’t buy any.
They charge per game as soon as the game is announced.

Ah, I see, I was way off on my assumption about paying up front, I could have sworn my budding bitched about that every spring……..

 

[ACC1224]

Ah, I see, I was way off on my assumption about paying up front, I could have sworn my budding bitched about that every spring……..

We used to have to pay upfront and then they would either refund or credit the account once they were out. That changed a few years ago.

 

[Nineteen67]

Perfect example of why MLSE are more about PR progressive agendas than icing a good hockey team. I could care less what a player’s views are on any given topic, and having to be participate in something that goes against your beliefs is in itself a from of harassment imo. This woke crap is killing society let alone hockey. Everybody should be allowed the freedom of their own belief, whatever they are……….

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[Nineteen67]

Nylander isn't going to make 6.9M for much longer. He'll be in the 9-10M range. We have to sign him to a new contract. Marner isn't going to get much more than he is making right now on a new deal.

Nylander is one dimensional. That dimension is offense. When it comes to producing offense Marner is significantly more consistent. Even in the playoffs Marner produces more, he has not lived up to his regular season form, but Nylander is simply a horse that doesn't have that next gear that people mention is missing in Mitch so far. Not too mention selke caliber defensive play.

To pick Nylander over Marner to save a couple million is not something I would want any part of.

So WM should make 1 or 2 million more than his point or game peers, even though he’s done it just once.

 

[Hellcat]

I would say most people correlate losing the trade with not improving by making it, which is what I meant by losing.

There’s a very good chance trading either Matthews/Marner makes you both worse in the short and long run

Not to be argumentative but the Oilers won a cup after they trading Gretzky, Chicago won a cup after they traded Buff, Anaheim won a cup after Kariya left, granted 5 years after. There is a long list of teams who star players left, only to win the cup afterwards. Losing a trade does not necessarily mean your team gets worse.

I don't think its that Matthews and Marner are the problem from a skill perspective, its the cap inflexibility that having so few people eat up so much of your cap, that is the issue, again my opinion. The gap in skill/ contribution between Matty/JT/Marner and the bottom 6 is massive. Jarnkrok, Kerfoot all being asked to play top 6 minutes, when in reality they are no where near top 6 players.

What this team needs desperately is controllable, cheap, very good to elite talent, to compliment the big ticket super stars, this is where Dubas failed, his asset management was piss poor, he thought we were close and traded away picks and prospects to supplement the elite talent and in most cases it did not work. Now our farm system is a who's who of nobody's below 5'10" .. some might become bottom 6 tweeners but outside of Knies not much to look forward to.

We need $750k young good to elite talent that plays like 2nd liners on the 3rd and 4th line, we need those players bringing a brand of aggression, talent and defensive acumen that wont be a liability, which is asking way too much of players that are inexperienced.

I have no issues trading either player. If Vaive, Sittler, Gilmour, Clark can all leave, so can Mitch and Matty.

 

[rumman]

Not to be argumentative but the Oilers won a cup after they trading Gretzky, Chicago won a cup after they traded Buff, Anaheim won a cup after Kariya left, granted 5 years after. There is a long list of teams who star players left, only to win the cup afterwards. Losing a trade does not necessarily mean your team gets worse.

I don't think its that Matthews and Marner are the problem from a skill perspective, its the cap inflexibility that having so few people eat up so much of your cap, that is the issue, again my opinion. The gap in skill/ contribution between Matty/JT/Marner and the bottom 6 is massive. Jarnkrok, Kerfoot all being asked to play top 6 minutes, when in reality they are no where near top 6 players.

What this team needs desperately is controllable, cheap, very good to elite talent, to compliment the big ticket super stars, this is where Dubas failed, his asset management was piss poor, he thought we were close and traded away picks and prospects to supplement the elite talent and in most cases it did not work. Now our farm system is a who's who of nobody's below 5'10" .. some might become bottom 6 tweeners but outside of Knies not much to look forward to.

We need $750k young good to elite talent that plays like 2nd liners on the 3rd and 4th line, we need those players bringing a brand of aggression, talent and defensive acumen that wont be a liability, which is asking way too much of players that are inexperienced.

I have no issues trading either player. If Vaive, Sittler, Gilmour, Clark can all leave, so can Mitch and Matty.

proper cap distribution is the teams biggest problem imo, nothing changes without changing that……..

 

[Hellcat]

Perfect example of why MLSE are more about PR progressive agendas than icing a good hockey team. I could care less what a player’s views are on any given topic, and having to be participate in something that goes against your beliefs is in itself a from of harassment imo. This woke crap is killing society let alone hockey. Everybody should be allowed the freedom of their own belief, whatever they are……….

100% its bullying, I think people who harass minorities and marginalized people because they are minorities or marginalized people are f--ing idiots but they have the right to be f-ing idiots, me or you screaming in their face that they are f-ing idiots wont change their mind, it would only make them more steadfast in their idiot beliefs. You get nowhere by having two people yelling at each other at the same time. I'm not looking for someone like Seneca or Marcus Aurelus to play RW, I'm looking for a guy who can score goals. Society is a rubber band, it stretches one side to the extreme, comes to the middle and then goes to the other side to the extreme. This woke shit is a result of the "nothing matters" bullshit brought in by the Orange Emperor, it;s the counter balance to Nothing matters. The crazy thing is both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of wokeisim. End of the day, the NHL is a business masquerading as a sport, it's one rung above WWE, give me elite talent and leave your political and personal societal opinions at the door. Don't care if you are pro this or pro that, can you score goals?

 

[LeafGrief]

If Hellebucyk is on the market, I'd hope that's the one.

 

[Hellcat]

If Hellebucyk is on the market, I'd hope that's the one.

The word is they are going to tear down the Jets, the word I hear from my Winnipeg coworkers, is toxic, toxic locker room, toxic players, toxic work environment... some of the vets didn't like the way Bowness managed the team .. all rumors and fan opinions from coworkers that live in Winterpeg. If one of the best goalies in the world is on the market, even with Woll and Sammy possibly in the 1, 2 slot next year, you gotta look at it.

 

[LeafGrief]

The word is they are going to tear down the Jets, the word I hear from my Winnipeg coworkers, is toxic, toxic locker room, toxic players, toxic work environment... some of the vets didn't like the way Bowness managed the team .. all rumors and fan opinions from coworkers that live in Winterpeg. If one of the best goalies in the world is on the market, even with Woll and Sammy possibly in the 1, 2 slot next year, you gotta look at it.

Woll and Sammy is another year of shoestring budget and hope in the net, which fills me with dread. Hellebucyk is an instant core piece and will bring much needed stability to the most important position on the team. I'm not surprised that Winnipeg is looking to tear down, that team has managed to be more dysfunctional than us, and that's saying a lot.

 

[Nineteen67]

If it was my choice, AM is the one that should be traded if the demands are outlandish. The tail cannot wag the dog and these entitled players have been doing just that. Where is the pride of the crest? Free up 12m and get some fresh hungry young players. I worry about AM's injury history. Having AM leave doesn't mean we go back to the dark days (why would it?).
The Kraken and many other teams don't have an AM and compete just fine. I want competitive players that will play hard not softies.

This.

 

[ToneDog]

Woll and Sammy is another year of shoestring budget and hope in the net, which fills me with dread. Hellebucyk is an instant core piece and will bring much needed stability to the most important position on the team. I'm not surprised that Winnipeg is looking to tear down, that team has managed to be more dysfunctional than us, and that's saying a lot.

Helly might want out as well. Marner and Sammy for Helly, Connor and 2023 1st ?? Sign Bertuzzi or Barbashev. Wishful thinking.

 

[ACC1224]

Not to be argumentative but the Oilers won a cup after they trading Gretzky, Chicago won a cup after they traded Buff, Anaheim won a cup after Kariya left, granted 5 years after. There is a long list of teams who star players left, only to win the cup afterwards. Losing a trade does not necessarily mean your team gets worse.

I don't think its that Matthews and Marner are the problem from a skill perspective, its the cap inflexibility that having so few people eat up so much of your cap, that is the issue, again my opinion. The gap in skill/ contribution between Matty/JT/Marner and the bottom 6 is massive. Jarnkrok, Kerfoot all being asked to play top 6 minutes, when in reality they are no where near top 6 players.

What this team needs desperately is controllable, cheap, very good to elite talent, to compliment the big ticket super stars, this is where Dubas failed, his asset management was piss poor, he thought we were close and traded away picks and prospects to supplement the elite talent and in most cases it did not work. Now our farm system is a who's who of nobody's below 5'10" .. some might become bottom 6 tweeners but outside of Knies not much to look forward to.

We need $750k young good to elite talent that plays like 2nd liners on the 3rd and 4th line, we need those players bringing a brand of aggression, talent and defensive acumen that wont be a liability, which is asking way too much of players that are inexperienced.

I have no issues trading either player. If Vaive, Sittler, Gilmour, Clark can all leave, so can Mitch and Matty.

Wonder how many cups the Oilers would have won had they not traded Gretzky?
Who would be considered this teams Buff? Kerfoot?

 

[TMLAM34]

If Hellebuyck is available, hard not to go after him given this organizations lack of a true starter since the Belfour days.

 

[ULF_55]

Most almost certainly would keep Marner.

But ultimately I think there would be a lot of factors that go into a decision that may blur things if it came down to it more than just who was the better player.

Things like future Contract and Caphit, value of the trade return, Regular season vs playoff performance, ect.

If Cap wasn't a thing.

Are the Leafs getting 55% more bang for the buck from marner?

This year, you really have to look at Matthews as the disappointment, and hope it's just one of those years.

 

[ULF_55]

Wonder how many cups the Oilers would have won had they not traded Gretzky?
Who would be considered this teams Buff? Kerfoot?

Messier got what 2 more after Gretzky, one with Oilers one with Rangers.

 

[Nineteen67]

If Cap wasn't a thing.

Are the Leafs getting 55% more bang for the buck from marner?

This year, you really have to look at Matthews as the disappointment, and hope it's just one of those years.

I can’t point to an instance in Matthews entire hockey life that indicates he’s a winner. Can the Leafs take the chance and pay him 15 million based on what he brings to the team?
If they do, they’ll have to find some inexpensive guys to carry him.

 

[ULF_55]

I can’t point to an instance in Matthews entire hockey life that indicates he’s a winner. Can the Leafs take the chance and pay him 15 million based on what he brings to the team?
If they do, they’ll have to find some inexpensive guys to carry him.

I don't disagree with this at all.

I've suggested it before, but maybe he's just the Leafs Ovechkin.

 

[DarkKnight]

Caufield was on pace for 46 goals last year, just signed 8 x 7.85. Should impact Nylander.

 

[thusk]

If Hellebucyk is on the market, I'd hope that's the one.

I said it in an other topic is one of hellebuyck or Gibson is available, should should try to get them...

I know some of you will say Gibson suck but just watch Vasilevskiy, he just lost mcdonaugh and palat defensivly and finishing with a carreer high 2.65 goal allowed game... We saw when tampa lost cernak too, it was even more difficult at time for tampa d group especially to keep their lead. Tampa D was unable to clear the front of net, so Vasilevskiy played the entire serie with screen, deflection and started to struggling really bad...

imagine play in front a d who cant clear the front of the net, unable to be 1st on rebound, unable to play 2v1,3 v2...giving up highest scoring chance and scoring chance shot against, high scoring chance and high danger shot against, playing the biggest part of the game in your own zone...

Just watched what happened with Jack Campbell/Ilya Samsonov/filip Gustavsson/ cam Talbot/ Linus ulmark to see whats a good/bad defensive team can change