What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[ShaneFalco]

If it was my choice, AM is the one that should be traded if the demands are outlandish. The tail cannot wag the dog and these entitled players have been doing just that. Where is the pride of the crest? Free up 12m and get some fresh hungry young players. I worry about AM's injury history. Having AM leave doesn't mean we go back to the dark days (why would it?).
The Kraken and many other teams don't have an AM and compete just fine. I want competitive players that will play hard not softies.

We can't have players who won't go to the net in the playoffs taking up 50%
of the cap. They play huge minutes too. They can barely bring the intensity for 2 games let alone 2 series

 

[RoadWarrior]

June
- His very first moves would be re-signing Schenn and Acciari. They seem relatively straight forward and they would build a positive vibe within the fanbase.
- He also has to decide what to do with ROR, whether that be sign him, trade him or simply letting him walk in FA.
- He has to qualify his RFA's. I imagine everyone except Kral and Mete will be brought back.
- Trade Brodie at the draft before his 10 team NTC kicks in for a good but not over the top return to remake the defense.
- Try to get an extra pick in the draft, by trading down, or another method.
- Begin serious negotiations with Matthews and Nylander.

July
- Sign Matthews to basically whatever he wants within reason.
- Trade Nylander with an extension for an insane profit.
- Make the team heavier in FA. (Barbashev, Bertuzzi, Killorn and Mayfield all top targets)
- Figure out what to do with Sheldon Keefe. There are replacements on the board. Is now the time or will he keep that bullet in the chamber?

Trading Nylander is tremendously helpful….lol. The only forward who showed up in game 5 against Florida.

There’s a zero percent chance of resigning ROR. Trading Brodie makes sense but don’t expect any significant return.

Matthews wants $15M AAV over 3 years with full no move. That’s not a great deal for the leafs as it eats up cap space and doesn't represent a real commitment to the team. They must consider trading him at the draft if his agent doesn’t compromise.

the team doesn’t need to be heavier. They need to be tougher both mentally and physically with better goaltending and be willing to sacrifice in winning a cup. Being heavy means a loss of team speed and if anything they need to improve their team speed.

The struggles in the playoffs in elimination games has to do with Marner disappearing in traffic along with mediocre goaltending and a poor transition game from the D. The defence needs to be upgraded with another mobile puck moving defenceman who can work the second power play unit.

 

[Magic Man]

Trading Nylander is tremendously helpful….lol. The only forward who showed up in game 5 against Florida.

There’s a zero percent chance of resigning ROR. Trading Brodie makes sense but don’t expect any significant return.

Matthews wants $15M AAV over 3 years with full no move. That’s not a great deal for the leafs as it eats up cap space and doesn't represent a real commitment to the team. They must consider trading him at the draft if his agent doesn’t compromise.

the team doesn’t need to be heavier. They need to be tougher both mentally and physically with better goaltending and be willing to sacrifice in winning a cup. Being heavy means a loss of team speed and if anything they need to improve their team speed.

The struggles in the playoffs in elimination games has to do with Marner disappearing in traffic along with mediocre goaltending and a poor transition game from the D. The defence needs to be upgraded with another mobile puck moving defenceman who can work the second power play unit.

I don't want Phil Kessel for the life of his NHL career, eating up 10M per until he's 36. He is Alex Semin. You marry Ovi and Backstrom. Crosby and Malkin. Not Semin and Kessel.

 

[ITM]

I don't want Phil Kessel for the life of his NHL career, eating up 10M per until he's 36. He is Alex Semin. You marry Ovi and Backstrom. Crosby and Malkin. Not Semin and Kessel.

Kessel has two Cup rings. We should be so lucky if Nylander did the same as a Leaf. And Kessel as a Penguin was fantastic. That Pittsburgh team was everything we could dream of our Leafs becoming. Fast, initiated play, grit where and when it mattered and a goalie with timely saves.

Nylander gains the zone better than any other Leaf and makes smart plays with the puck once he's there, has an elite shot, scores goals from the dirty areas and even at 10M, he will be cheaper than Marner. Give him 1st PP minutes and those 50 goals for 3 to 4 million less than Matthews will look like a steal.

I'd go so far as to say, if keeping Nylander meant not being able to trade one of the core, I'd just assume not trade "the core". On principal, Nylander is the type of player whose graduated contract amount will make sense.

 

[danny90]

During regular season he is. But how many playoffs u wanna give him? I hope he will figure it out. But given his salery, he has under performed. Nylander is a 40 goal scorer, cool under pressure and more of a player for big games and for sure has over performed in his contract. Im leaning on keep both (and we will get rid of Tavares eventually) but id rather trade Marner than Nylander if one is to be traded. Matthews you do everything to keep.

Marner has been very good in the playoffs.

 

[ToneDog]

Kessel has two Cup rings. We should be so lucky if Nylander did the same as a Leaf. And Kessel as a Penguin was fantastic. That Pittsburgh team was everything we could dream of our Leafs becoming. Fast, initiated play, grit where and when it mattered and a goalie with timely saves.

Nylander gains the zone better than any other Leaf and makes smart plays with the puck once he's there, has an elite shot, scores goals from the dirty areas and even at 10M, he will be cheaper than Marner. Give him 1st PP minutes and those 50 goals for 3 to 4 million less than Matthews will look like a steal.

I'd go so far as to say, if keeping Nylander meant not being able to trade one of the core, I'd just assume not trade "the core". On principal, Nylander is the type of player whose graduated contract amount will make sense.

Spread the soft petit 4 across our top 3 lines and surround them with playoff warriors. Love to get rid of Jarnkrok if we can. Nylander can be our Kessel from those 2 SC Pens teams.

Bertuzzi Matthews Jarnkrok
Barbashev Tavares Marner
Knies ROR Nylander
McMann Acciari/Kampf Lafferty

 

[myleafs]

If Matthews wants 15m and we give it is Mitch going to sign for 11 again?

That will be a big fat NO

You say that, but it’s not a fact. Just another opinion similar but opposite to those who would prefer to keep them

But yes, the team improving should be the goal. That’s just hard to do when moving players of the calibre you’re suggesting here.

The odds are heavily in favour of you losing any deals in the short-mid term

These things usually can only really pan out for futures, but futures don’t help us compete now and starting essentially a rebuild 6 years after drafting Matthews would be a really bitter pill to swallow. So much so that I’d wager it might get a lot of people to finally tune out

Running it back the last few years has already started this trend.....

 

[myleafs]

Marner has been very good in the playoffs.

Waiting for responses....

 

[Dreakmur]

I don't think Lilly will be here, or Timmins, they are Dubas guys and I think they are out, I wonder about Samsonov for that same reason.

I think Treliving wants a Defense that's big and nasty, and that's not Lilly and that's not Timmins.

Timmins may be a Dubas guy, but Liljegren isn’t. There aren’t many true Dubas guys here, and most of the guys he actually brought in are the players we don’t want anymore.

 

[rumman]

You say that, but it’s not a fact. Just another opinion similar but opposite to those who would prefer to keep them

But yes, the team improving should be the goal. That’s just hard to do when moving players of the calibre you’re suggesting here.

The odds are heavily in favour of you losing any deals in the short-mid term

These things usually can only really pan out for futures, but futures don’t help us compete now and starting essentially a rebuild 6 years after drafting Matthews would be a really bitter pill to swallow. So much so that I’d wager it might get a lot of people to finally tune out

it's a hockey forum, hence my opinion, and yes you could lose those trades, but who cares if it makes the team better. Cliff Fletcher knew trading Brett Hall is a losing trade, but he did it anyways because he knew it was needed for them to have a chance to win the cup, which they did. There are no absolutes, anything can happen, 34 could have a catastrophic wrist injuy next time he's slashed. If it makes the team better you shouldn't worry about who "won" the trade imo..........

 

[Mr_Fun]

Justin Holl 9 years at a hometown discount of 70 million USD.

 

[Racer88]

The Panthers and Knight's top 4 forwards are getting it done. Bottom line our top 4 forwards wilt when the going gets tough and because they chew up 50% of the cap we can't ice good enough depth forwards to compensate.

This 100%…….end of story……..drops the Mike

 

[ToneDog]

Justin Holl 9 years at a hometown discount of 70 million USD.

7 years max. For 7m. Boston Pizza commercials to close the deal. Lol.

 

[Antropovsky]

Miller's dad said he wants out, one big move:

To Toronto: Crouse, Keller
To Phoenix: 2023 1st, Marne

Crouse Matthews Nylander
Knies Tavares Keller
Robertson Kerfoot Jarkrok
Acciari Lafferty Holmberg

Reilly Brodie
Mccabe Timmins
------ liljegren

Murray or Samsonov
Woll

If Samsonov wants too much I'd be okay with letting him go. I think he and Murray are a wash, so long as doctors think Murray could find a way to be healthy. , Samsonov is ok... But he swims and his rebound control is iffy..he also lets in some stinkers. leafs made Campbell look ok too. Just want a stop gap for Woll. Not someone who will cost money or assets to unload.

 

[ToneDog]

Miller's dad said he wants out, one big move:

To Toronto: Crouse, Keller
To Phoenix: 2023 1st, Marne

Crouse Matthews Nylander
Knies Tavares Keller
Robertson Kerfoot Jarkrok
Acciari Lafferty Holmberg

Reilly Brodie
Mccabe Timmins
------ liljegren

Murray or Samsonov
Woll

If Samsonov wants too much I'd be okay with letting him go. I think he and Murray are a wash, so long as doctors think Murray could find a way to be healthy. , Samsonov is ok... But he swims and his rebound control is iffy..he also lets in some stinkers. leafs made Campbell look ok too. Just want a stop gap for Woll. Not someone who will cost money or assets to unload.

Crouse, Keller for Marner and 1st ?? I would not do that. Imagine what the Marner fanboys think.

Bigger questions is why would Zona have any interest in Marner when Matthews is their more likely target?

 

[rumman]

Crouse, Keller for Marner and 1st ?? I would not do that. Imagine what the Marner fanboys think.

Bigger questions is why would Zona have any interest in Marner when Matthews is their more likely target?

Bait……..

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

it's a hockey forum, hence my opinion, and yes you could lose those trades, but who cares if it makes the team better. Cliff Fletcher knew trading Brett Hall is a losing trade, but he did it anyways because he knew it was needed for them to have a chance to win the cup, which they did. There are no absolutes, anything can happen, 34 could have a catastrophic wrist injuy next time he's slashed. If it makes the team better you shouldn't worry about who "won" the trade imo..........

I was reading a few years ago that an anonymous GM had said that because of the media scrutiny on trades....they are terrified of making a mistake and that's why you seldom see any players that are higher up than 3rd liners being sent back and forth.

I agree with you though...you may win...you may lose..but staying the same sure as hell hasn't done us any good for 5yrs now.

 

[TakeTheBody]

He will extend John Tavares. Included in the deal will be new pajamas to sleep in weekly. If you can't see this is dripping in sarcasm. You must love politics.

 

[Antropovsky]

Crouse, Keller for Marner and 1st ?? I would not do that. Imagine what the Marner fanboys think.

Bigger questions is why would Zona have any interest in Marner when Matthews is their more likely target?

Save 4 million between Marner and Keller, gain an Ontario born, power forward who isn't afraid to protect his teammates. Keller was a 87 point player on a team that's next best player was Schmaltz with 58 points.

 

[ACC1224]

Of course they want more than 2-5 but it is not the end of the world if they do not. It is the same thing for the core. They got their money. Why kill yourself ?

If winning the SC was your #1 goal, why would you consider bringing this loser core back after 6 consecutive playoff failures/disappointments? I can only think of one thing.

How is the front office ‘killing themselves’ by wanting more wins? It doesn’t take anymore effort on their part

 

[rumman]

Save 4 million between Marner and Keller, gain an Ontario born, power forward who isn't afraid to protect his teammates. Keller was a 87 point player on a team that's next best player was Schmaltz with 58 points.

I like it……..

 

[ACC1224]

a bird in the hand.............


let's not confuse want with need, and I wonder how much interest they make off the pre sell of the playoff tickets? They're making money for achieving nothing if you think about it...........

What do you mean by ‘pre sell” ?

 

[rumman]

What do you mean by ‘pre sell” ?

Do you not have to pay up front for your playoff tickets?

 

[ToneDog]

Save 4 million between Marner and Keller, gain an Ontario born, power forward who isn't afraid to protect his teammates. Keller was a 87 point player on a team that's next best player was Schmaltz with 58 points.

$4m in cap space is nothing to sneeze at. I just wonder if you can get more if you start a bidding war.

How is the front office ‘killing themselves’ by wanting more wins? It doesn’t take anymore effort on their part

Is running it back after 6 unseuccessful attempts trying to win or status quo. If they are trying to win, they are, as you say, incompetent. I mean they have tons of money and should be able to buy the best people in the business, yet they go with a rookie who's head was in the clouds or is 20 years ahead of his time.

 

[ACC1224]

Do you not have to pay up front for your playoff tickets?

Only once the game is announced.

$4m in cap space is nothing to sneeze at. I just wonder if you can get more if you start a bidding war.


Is running it back after 6 unseuccessful attempts trying to win or status quo. If they are trying to win, they are, as you say, incompetent. I mean they have tons of money and should be able to buy the best people in the business, yet they go with a rookie who's head was in the clouds or is 20 years ahead of his time.

Yes I believe they try and just aren’t very good at it.