What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[Arzak]

June
- His very first moves would be re-signing Schenn and Acciari. They seem relatively straight forward and they would build a positive vibe within the fanbase.
- He also has to decide what to do with ROR, whether that be sign him, trade him or simply letting him walk in FA.
- He has to qualify his RFA's. I imagine everyone except Kral and Mete will be brought back.
- Trade Brodie at the draft before his 10 team NTC kicks in for a good but not over the top return to remake the defense.
- Try to get an extra pick in the draft, by trading down, or another method.
- Begin serious negotiations with Matthews and Nylander.

July
- Sign Matthews to basically whatever he wants within reason.
- Trade Nylander with an extension for an insane profit.
- Make the team heavier in FA. (Barbashev, Bertuzzi, Killorn and Mayfield all top targets)
- Figure out what to do with Sheldon Keefe. There are replacements on the board. Is now the time or will he keep that bullet in the chamber?

- Trade Marner for whatever you can get?

The rest is solid, but why a trading player with some life in playoffs?
I get the return will be insane, but that should tell you who to keep, not the other way around.

Edit: We want to trade Nylander because the team can/will pay more for homegrown/hometown Marner?

 

[hullsy47]

Being that he made 1 minor deal in his first 7 months with Calgary, he'll use a draft pick to add a moderately priced 3rd line forward who fits his vision for how the team should play.

Edit: Does he have draft picks to spare?

He has got to start cleaning up Kyle's mess .
Uncertainty over mathews marner and Nylander
If he goes the dubas way it ll be 51 million tied up in the core 4
I mean at some point someone has to clean it up
Or it's just another 5 years of playoff futility with no room to upgrade defense or goaltending
Dubas left a mess .I talk to junior hockey people alot.
Junior b alumni etc .it's a mess and not conducive to tight room

 

[Leaf Fans]

It’s going to be hard to be a leaf and watch next year if Treliving keeps the same coach and all the same core

I plan on watching and enjoying every game!

 

[Racer88]

I plan on watching and enjoying every game!

I am too. 10 minutes in, after I got over the annual disgust at watching great teams play for the cup I enjoyed it immensely.

In a scenario where we keep Matthews, Nylander is traded and that re-balance will be accomplished.

In a scenario where we trade Matthews or he walks himself out to July 1st 2024 free agency, it happens by default.

There's no possible way all of these players are coming back with re-upped UFA deals.

We cannot let him walk for nothing…….he either agrees to a reasonable extension or he HAS to be traded

 

[horner]

Find out if there is a problem in the dressing room.

To me one of the core 4 needs to be traded , Skilled and soft wont work in the playoffs

Fire Keefe
Hire Laviolette

Murray trade or buyout

Muzzin talk to Jake about retirement, hire him as a part time defensive coach .

Trade
Brodie 2nd + 4th
Jamcrock

Now we have many for UFA season

Schenn 1.5 mil
Orlov 6 mil
Soucy 3 mil
Accuri 1.3 mil
Hathaway 1.3 mil
Killorn or Bertuzzi 5 mil

Trade for
Trent Fredrick RFA skilled and tough
Jack McBain skilled and tough
Laughton 3 mill locked inbforv3 yrs

McCabe is he defensively strong minus 7 in the playoffs
Lilly didn't look great at the tail end of the season .

Our defense needs a make over
Schenn one thing I love about him when players try to hit him and get the puck they bounce of him.

First we need cap space
Core 4 piece traded
Murray
Muzzin

 

[ToneDog]

In a scenario where we keep Matthews, Nylander is traded and that re-balance will be accomplished.

In a scenario where we trade Matthews or he walks himself out to July 1st 2024 free agency, it happens by default.

There's no possible way all of these players are coming back with re-upped UFA deals.

It is possible if the cap rises significantly, they sacrifice depth (i.e. Kerfoot, Brodie etc.). Tavares comes off the books when Marner's new deal kicks in. Personally I think having a team of haves, who can't, and have nots, who can't, won't win in the playoffs.

 

[ToneDog]

Look at their top 4 forwards....leafs top 4 forwards make 10 mill more than the panthers top 4 forwards and Panthers only have one forward making 10. Vegas is similar to the Panthers. Totally different set up than the leafs.

The Panthers and Knight's top 4 forwards are getting it done. Bottom line our top 4 forwards wilt when the going gets tough and because they chew up 50% of the cap we can't ice good enough depth forwards to compensate.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Find out if there is a problem in the dressing room.

To me one of the core 4 needs to be traded , Skilled and soft wont work in the playoffs

Fire Keefe
Hire Laviolette

Murray trade or buyout

Muzzin talk to Jake about retirement, hire him as a part time defensive coach .

Trade
Brodie 2nd + 4th
Jamcrock

Now we have many for UFA season

Schenn 1.5 mil
Orlov 6 mil
Soucy 3 mil
Accuri 1.3 mil
Hathaway 1.3 mil
Killorn or Bertuzzi 5 mil

Trade for
Trent Fredrick RFA skilled and tough
Jack McBain skilled and tough
Laughton 3 mill locked inbforv3 yrs

McCabe is he defensively strong minus 7 in the playoffs
Lilly didn't look great at the tail end of the season .

Our defense needs a make over
Schenn one thing I love about him when players try to hit him and get the puck they bounce of him.

First we need cap space
Core 4 piece traded
Murray
Muzzin

Soucy isn't signing for 3

 

[Magic Man]

- Trade Marner for whatever you can get?

The rest is solid, but why a trading player with some life in playoffs?
I get the return will be insane, but that should tell you who to keep, not the other way around.

Edit: We want to trade Nylander because the team can/will pay more for homegrown/hometown Marner?

Mitch sleep walks to 90+ points per year, every year. He is a selke caliber winger who scores more than almost anyone. He's going to be a first ballot hall of famer.

Nylander is soft, scores less points than Matthews and Marner and he is not a defensive wizard. He's basically Phil Kessel. Kessel was a good player, so is Nylander. But, his importance to the team is not as large.

Nylander is going to be pushing 9-10 million on his next contract. Is that something we really want to sink our teeth into over an 8 year term? Give Matthews and Marner their money, sign JT to a discount for a couple years after his big deal expires.

Sell Nylander with an extension in place and I think you can do well in a trade. Like, with Tkachuk. He's in his prime, coming off a career year. Sell high.

 

[thewave]

Mitch sleep walks to 90+ points per year, every year. He is a selke caliber winger who scores more than almost anyone. He's going to be a first ballot hall of famer.

Nylander is soft, scores less points than Matthews and Marner and he is not a defensive wizard. He's basically Phil Kessel. Kessel was a good player, so is Nylander. But, his importance to the team is not as large.

Nylander is going to be pushing 9-10 million on his next contract. Is that something we really want to sink our teeth into over an 8 year term? Give Matthews and Marner their money, sign JT to a discount for a couple years after his big deal expires.

Sell Nylander with an extension in place and I think you can do well in a trade. Like, with Tkachuk. He's in his prime, coming off a career year. Sell high.

This is a trash post and I will tell you why.

Nylander and Marner are not comparable. Marner makes 11m and Nyladner makes 6.9m. They are in two different classes though Nylander is a faster skater and scores more goals while performing very similarly in Playoff situations.

Marner is not very effective for the money he is paid in the playoffs. That is point blank fact. While other players that are paid similar are getting around 1.5ppg he is around 1ppg on average and basically well under 1ppg past game 4 of any series for some reason.

Just the way it is.

 

[The Iceman]

You would be selling high on Willy no doubt.
I prefer MM to Willy all day.
Need to be careful what the return is though, that is a MAJOR trade chip.

I loved Treviling's get for Tkachuck. Top line forward, top pair D and a 1st.
Didn't love the contracts awarded, that is where he should have been creative and tried to flip those 2 for younger assets and picks.

 

[thewave]

You would be selling high on Willy no doubt.
I prefer MM to Willy all day.
Need to be careful what the return is though, that is a MAJOR trade chip.

I loved Treviling's get for Tkachuck. Top line forward, top pair D and a 1st.
Didn't love the contracts awarded, that is where he should have been creative and tried to flip those 2 for younger assets and picks.

This is a cap league. Here is an IQ test.

Is Mitch Marner worth 4m more per season than William Nylander all things considered?

 

[Magic Man]

This is a trash post and I will tell you why.

Nylander and Marner are not comparable. Marner makes 11m and Nyladner makes 6.9m. They are in two different classes though Nylander is a faster skater and scores more goals while performing very similarly in Playoff situations.

Marner is not very effective for the money he is paid in the playoffs. That is point blank fact. While other players that are paid similar are getting around 1.5ppg he is around 1ppg on average and basically well under 1ppg past game 4 of any series for some reason.

Just the way it is.

Nylander isn't going to make 6.9M for much longer. He'll be in the 9-10M range. We have to sign him to a new contract. Marner isn't going to get much more than he is making right now on a new deal.

Nylander is one dimensional. That dimension is offense. When it comes to producing offense Marner is significantly more consistent. Even in the playoffs Marner produces more, he has not lived up to his regular season form, but Nylander is simply a horse that doesn't have that next gear that people mention is missing in Mitch so far. Not too mention selke caliber defensive play.

To pick Nylander over Marner to save a couple million is not something I would want any part of.

 

[The Iceman]

This is a cap league. Here is an IQ test.

Is Mitch Marner worth 4m more per season than William Nylander all things considered?

Here is another IQ test
Is Willy going to be making 4M less than Mitch in 2024?

 

[ACC1224]

Nylander isn't going to make 6.9M for much longer. He'll be in the 9-10M range. We have to sign him to a new contract. Marner isn't going to get much more than he is making right now on a new deal.

Nylander is one dimensional. That dimension is offense. When it comes to producing offense Marner is significantly more consistent. Even in the playoffs Marner produces more, he has not lived up to his regular season form, but Nylander is simply a horse that doesn't have that next gear that people mention is missing in Mitch so far. Not too mention selke caliber defensive play.

To pick Nylander over Marner to save a couple million is not something I would want any part of.

I don’t think there is anyone that would reasonably keep Nylander over Marner, doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[rumman]

Mitch sleep walks to 90+ points per year, every year. He is a selke caliber winger who scores more than almost anyone. He's going to be a first ballot hall of famer.

Nylander is soft, scores less points than Matthews and Marner and he is not a defensive wizard. He's basically Phil Kessel. Kessel was a good player, so is Nylander. But, his importance to the team is not as large.

Nylander is going to be pushing 9-10 million on his next contract. Is that something we really want to sink our teeth into over an 8 year term? Give Matthews and Marner their money, sign JT to a discount for a couple years after his big deal expires.

Sell Nylander with an extension in place and I think you can do well in a trade. Like, with Tkachuk. He's in his prime, coming off a career year. Sell high.

trade them both and acquire (4) players that redistribute the cap more evenly...............

 

[baton elevated]

Hopefully size and speed on the blueline. I'd actually like Zadorov if we're shopping at Flamesmart. He's improved his overall defensive game and is still an imposing physical presence.

I proposed Z before we got Schenn as our big, mean D and some on here scoffed at me. Saying he was useless, no hockey IQ etc. etc. Those people don't really know what it takes to build a balanced hockey team. He also has a cannon of a shot which we desperately need. Forwards in front of the net would be picking toothpicks out of their teeth for sure. Him and Schenn would be terrors for opposing forwards. I'd be all for it!

 

[ToneDog]

This is a trash post and I will tell you why.

Nylander and Marner are not comparable. Marner makes 11m and Nyladner makes 6.9m. They are in two different classes though Nylander is a faster skater and scores more goals while performing very similarly in Playoff situations.

Marner is not very effective for the money he is paid in the playoffs. That is point blank fact. While other players that are paid similar are getting around 1.5ppg he is around 1ppg on average and basically well under 1ppg past game 4 of any series for some reason.

Just the way it is.

I am convinced MLSEL is more interested in selling regular season tickets than winning a SC. Local boy and Big Yank sell tickets. They are going nowhere. Willie is the fall guy if there is enough fan pressure to change the core. Otherwise, it will be business as usual, including the yearly early playoff exit.

 

[ACC1224]

I am convinced MLSEL is more interested in selling regular season tickets than winning a SC. Local boy and Big Yank sell tickets. They are going nowhere. Willie is the fall guy if there is enough fan pressure to change the core. Otherwise, it will be business as usual, including the yearly early playoff exit.

If you’ve ever paid for playoff tickets you’ll realize that makes no sense.

Confusing indifference with incompetence.

 

[ToneDog]

If you’ve ever paid for playoff tickets you’ll realize that makes no sense.

Confusing indifference with incompetence.

Agreed but there are 41 regular season home games and unfortunately 2-5 playoff home games. Over the past 19 years we've had 19 playoff home games and 671 regular season games (excluding 2 COVID years).

 

[ACC1224]

Agreed but there are 41 regular season home games and unfortunately 2-5 playoff home games.

…. and you think that means they don’t want any more than the 2-5 ?

 

[Trapper]

This is a cap league. Here is an IQ test.

Is Mitch Marner worth 4m more per season than William Nylander all things considered?

No and whatever you pay Matthews, Marner will want. Is Matthews even worth 4/5 mil more than Nylander?

 

[baton elevated]

I am convinced MLSEL is more interested in selling regular season tickets than winning a SC. Local boy and Big Yank sell tickets. They are going nowhere. Willie is the fall guy if there is enough fan pressure to change the core. Otherwise, it will be business as usual, including the yearly early playoff exit.

Letting Willie go would be a big mistake in my opinion. If he would be made a focal point with his new team he would shine. His zone entries are up there with the best in the league (better than AM), world class skating and shot. His D isn't optimal but if he was in a more prominent role it could be. He strips pucks from behind as well as anyone and if you slap a letter on him he would be a leader. I'm a big fan of his.

 

[ToneDog]

…. and you think that means they don’t want any more than the 2-5 ?

Of course they want more than 2-5 but it is not the end of the world if they do not. It is the same thing for the core. They got their money. Why kill yourself ?

If winning the SC was your #1 goal, why would you consider bringing this loser core back after 6 consecutive playoff failures/disappointments? I can only think of one thing.

 

[ToneDog]

Letting Willie go would be a big mistake in my opinion. If he would be made a focal point with his new team he would shine. His zone entries are up there with the best in the league (better than AM), world class skating and shot. His D isn't optimal but if he was in a more prominent role it could be. He strips pucks from behind as well as anyone and if you slap a letter on him he would be a leader. I'm a big fan of his.

I hear they do not want to move any of the petit 4. If they want to run it back they have to surround these guys with playoff warriors because none of them are and JT is only getting slower. All you have to do is watch last night's game. This team/the petit 4 cannot or is not willing to compete at that level for 1 game let alone 7.