What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[nuck]

I don’t see huge changes coming on defence.

Why? Because they have mediocre players with term left on their contracts who have little to negative trade value. Upgrading might cost draft picks and prospects and that’s one thing the leafs don’t have in abundance.

They desperately need another puck moving offensive D to take some pressure off Rielly and work the PP2 unit. I don’t think Gustafson or Connor Timmins is the answer.

I could see Treliving going after Kylington in Calgary.

I think it could well be a chain reaction. If one of the core won't be extended the center piece coming back will determine what the next changes will need to be. The more available money they have, the more their options. You wouldn't think Tree would have a lot of confidence in the D based on the playoffs and the ages of the group. A Nylander deal might lead to a defenseman being the priority for a return but the miniscule possibility of a Matthews trade probably has to bring back another center.

Kylington took an entire year off after 1 solid season. I think there could be too much risk attached to where his game will be, plus he is a pending UFA so if he does work out he will be looking for a raise in the last year of the Tavares deal.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Re-Sign Acciari

Would love that but that doesn't qualify.

 

[Sypher04]

There’s no guarantee that Samsonov returns

Samsonov is an RFA. He’s either returning, being traded, not qualified or sitting the year. I don’t see any reason why signing him should be difficult if we want him here

 

[Lemontree]

June
- His very first moves would be re-signing Schenn and Acciari. They seem relatively straight forward and they would build a positive vibe within the fanbase.
- He also has to decide what to do with ROR, whether that be sign him, trade him or simply letting him walk in FA.
- He has to qualify his RFA's. I imagine everyone except Kral and Mete will be brought back.
- Trade Brodie at the draft before his 10 team NTC kicks in for a good but not over the top return to remake the defense.
- Try to get an extra pick in the draft, by trading down, or another method.
- Begin serious negotiations with Matthews and Nylander.

July
- Sign Matthews to basically whatever he wants within reason.
- Trade Nylander with an extension for an insane profit.
- Make the team heavier in FA. (Barbashev, Bertuzzi, Killorn and Mayfield all top targets)
- Figure out what to do with Sheldon Keefe. There are replacements on the board. Is now the time or will he keep that bullet in the chamber?

I'm sure I'm reading too much into this but during the presser a question was asked about reuniting with Gio and Brodie and he spoke very glowing about Gio and then mentioned Schenn. He didn't really speak about Brodie (unless I missed that part) made me think that Brodie might be moved out which I think would be a smart move to grab a couple a pick or 2 (3rd rounders?) and re-allocate his cap hit.

 

[Sypher04]

They desperately need another puck moving offensive D to take some pressure off Rielly and work the PP2 unit. I don’t think Gustafson or Connor Timmins is the answer.

I don’t think that’s a desperate need at all from a pp perspective given how little pp2 plays, but 5 on 5 it’s a need.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Samsonov is an RFA. He’s either returning, being traded, not qualified or sitting the year. I don’t see any reason why signing him should be difficult if we want him here

What would be a fair contract for him?

 

[Gaberd2608]

I think he very clearly needs to bring in some players with a proper work ethic and culture to try to reset things.

I would love for him to sign toews and resign ror, schenn, and acciari if he can. That would be a good start.

Just need to sign a top 4 rd to play with rielly.

Tavares Matthews. Marner
Knies. RoR. Nylander
Robertson. Toews jarnkrok
Lafferty. Holmberg. Acciari

Rielly. Xxxx
Brodie. Lilly
Mccabe. Schenn
Gio. Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

 

[Sypher04]

What would be a fair contract for him?

I would think something with a mid term, in the mid to high 3s.

Maybe 4 years, 14-15M

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think like some others here he's going to work on the D
Holl, Brodie, Gus, Mete all out

 

[horner]

They managed to draft Knies with one of their 3 picks in 2021 so they might yet squeeze an nhl player out of this draft.

Treliving had 4 picks one yr and drafted
Tkachuck ( a no brainer )
Dude
Fox

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I think we only have 3 picks this year

Thanks Doobler…

 

[Leafblooded]

Something f***ing stupid as f***

 

[The Iceman]

Would love that but that doesn't qualify.

WHY not qualify.

Both Schenn and Accarri are UFAs and would be perfect 1st deals to build some positive mojo with the fanbase,

 

[ULF_55]

Fly out and cowtow to Matthews.
Phone Nylander and tell him to keep training.
Phone Paul and see if there's anything the Little 'm' needs.
Minor own team (Leafs) UFA signings.
Off-season review available coaches.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

WHY not qualify.

Both Schenn and Accarri are UFAs and would be perfect 1st deals to build some positive mojo with the fanbase,

Because I specifically said in the FIRST line that contract extensions didn't counr you didn't read the OP or you would have known that.

 

[Menzinger]

Probably a Keefe extension (y'all should brace yourselves).

Then likely extensions for a couple of the pending UfAs (at least Schenn and probably Acciari).

Then maybe we'll see some trades prior to the Leafs late 1st selection

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't think Lilly will be here, or Timmins, they are Dubas guys and I think they are out, I wonder about Samsonov for that same reason.

I think Treliving wants a Defense that's big and nasty, and that's not Lilly and that's not Timmins.

Not that hits are everything, but Liljegren would be 3rd on Calgary's defense in hits behind Weegar and Zadorov... And he was not playing 20+ minutes a night.

Treliving's big thing is more puck moving ability, ability to defend in front of the net, and blocking shots. So I think he will actually like the guys on our defense, including Holl and Schenn. The only big and nasty defenseman he really had last year was Zadorov, and while I think he wants at least one on his defense (which is likely the kind of guy he targets to fill the hole left by Schenn/Holl), he hasn't really had more than two at a time. The rest of his guys are not drastically different than what the Leafs have already.

Liljegren is not quite as thick as Rasmus Andersson is right now, but there are a lot of parallels between their games (especially when you look at Andersson from 2-3 years ago). So I highly doubt he is moving Liljegren... Especially when the greatest concern with the Leafs' defense right now is probably more to do with age than play style. Gio and Brodie are getting up there in age, as is Schenn if he is brought back, and all would be relied upon to handle important roles... Especially since Treliving has always had 3 good and reliable pairings on his team.

Timmins is probably the most likely to be moved, but that is also simply by virtue of being the most replaceable right now too; he was the #9 on our depth chart last year, and is almost certainly not going to be higher than #7 next year. He too can play a style that would fit well with what Treliving wants, and he looked good in the times he played with the Leafs, but his injury history may be a concern and hamper his ability to truly commit to that style as much as Treliving may want.

I do not think the defense is going to be as much of an "overhaul" as people think. An overhaul would be trading Brodie and replacing him with Dumba/Mayfield/Severson. Otherwise, I think it is more likely that he trades Timmins (probably for a mid-round pick), re-signs Schenn to be the #6/7 to rotate with Gio, and then finds a guy to play with Rielly, which could be Dumba/Mayfield/Severson (although word of warning about Mayfield for those who hate Holl: They are not that much different).

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I think his first move will be trading Murray with retention for a mid-round pick, or do something fancy with PIT and a team needing a cheap backup (i.e. Rangers):


RD Mark Friedman
3rd round pick 2023 (COL) - from NYR
5th round pick 2023 (PIT)


G Matt Murray (50% retained)
LW Nick Abruzzese
RD Mac Hollowell


G Casey DeSmith

Either that, or if he does make a move on defense, it could be Timmins for a mid-round pick to a team like ANA, or Hirvonen/Voit + 3rd for Borgen from SEA (Borgen would be a far better fit for us than anyone in UFA).

 

[The Iceman]

Because I specifically said in the FIRST line that contract extensions didn't counr you didn't read the OP or you would have known that.

UFAs are not contract extensions. It is a new contract. I actually did read your 1st line.

If you want to say that what player move not associated with the 2023 team for some reason go ahead.

Signing Schenn or Accarri would be Treliving deals IMO and I am hopeful they both get done.

 

[Menzinger]

Not that hits are everything, but Liljegren would be 3rd on Calgary's defense in hits behind Weegar and Zadorov... And he was not playing 20+ minutes a night.

Treliving's big thing is more puck moving ability, ability to defend in front of the net, and blocking shots. So I think he will actually like the guys on our defense, including Holl and Schenn. The only big and nasty defenseman he really had last year was Zadorov, and while I think he wants at least one on his defense (which is likely the kind of guy he targets to fill the hole left by Schenn/Holl), he hasn't really had more than two at a time. The rest of his guys are not drastically different than what the Leafs have already.

Liljegren is not quite as thick as Rasmus Andersson is right now, but there are a lot of parallels between their games (especially when you look at Andersson from 2-3 years ago). So I highly doubt he is moving Liljegren... Especially when the greatest concern with the Leafs' defense right now is probably more to do with age than play style. Gio and Brodie are getting up there in age, as is Schenn if he is brought back, and all would be relied upon to handle important roles... Especially since Treliving has always had 3 good and reliable pairings on his team.

Timmins is probably the most likely to be moved, but that is also simply by virtue of being the most replaceable right now too; he was the #9 on our depth chart last year, and is almost certainly not going to be higher than #7 next year. He too can play a style that would fit well with what Treliving wants, and he looked good in the times he played with the Leafs, but his injury history may be a concern and hamper his ability to truly commit to that style as much as Treliving may want.

I do not think the defense is going to be as much of an "overhaul" as people think. An overhaul would be trading Brodie and replacing him with Dumba/Mayfield/Severson. Otherwise, I think it is more likely that he trades Timmins (probably for a mid-round pick), re-signs Schenn to be the #6/7 to rotate with Gio, and then finds a guy to play with Rielly, which could be Dumba/Mayfield/Severson (although word of warning about Mayfield for those who hate Holl: They are not that much different).

---

I think his first move will be trading Murray with retention for a mid-round pick, or do something fancy with PIT and a team needing a cheap backup (i.e. Rangers):


RD Mark Friedman
3rd round pick 2023 (COL) - from NYR
5th round pick 2023 (PIT)


G Matt Murray (50% retained)
LW Nick Abruzzese
RD Mac Hollowell


G Casey DeSmith

Either that, or if he does make a move on defense, it could be Timmins for a mid-round pick to a team like ANA, or Hirvonen/Voit + 3rd for Borgen from SEA (Borgen would be a far better fit for us than anyone in UFA).

I think you're probably spot on with Treliving and Lily/Timmins - both probably become trade bait.

I could see Lily for example being used in part to help get a 3C or a vet top 4 guy who be has a different playing style

 

[The Iceman]

Not that hits are everything, but Liljegren would be 3rd on Calgary's defense in hits behind Weegar and Zadorov... And he was not playing 20+ minutes a night.

Treliving's big thing is more puck moving ability, ability to defend in front of the net, and blocking shots. So I think he will actually like the guys on our defense, including Holl and Schenn. The only big and nasty defenseman he really had last year was Zadorov, and while I think he wants at least one on his defense (which is likely the kind of guy he targets to fill the hole left by Schenn/Holl), he hasn't really had more than two at a time. The rest of his guys are not drastically different than what the Leafs have already.

Liljegren is not quite as thick as Rasmus Andersson is right now, but there are a lot of parallels between their games (especially when you look at Andersson from 2-3 years ago). So I highly doubt he is moving Liljegren... Especially when the greatest concern with the Leafs' defense right now is probably more to do with age than play style. Gio and Brodie are getting up there in age, as is Schenn if he is brought back, and all would be relied upon to handle important roles... Especially since Treliving has always had 3 good and reliable pairings on his team.

Timmins is probably the most likely to be moved, but that is also simply by virtue of being the most replaceable right now too; he was the #9 on our depth chart last year, and is almost certainly not going to be higher than #7 next year. He too can play a style that would fit well with what Treliving wants, and he looked good in the times he played with the Leafs, but his injury history may be a concern and hamper his ability to truly commit to that style as much as Treliving may want.

I do not think the defense is going to be as much of an "overhaul" as people think. An overhaul would be trading Brodie and replacing him with Dumba/Mayfield/Severson. Otherwise, I think it is more likely that he trades Timmins (probably for a mid-round pick), re-signs Schenn to be the #6/7 to rotate with Gio, and then finds a guy to play with Rielly, which could be Dumba/Mayfield/Severson (although word of warning about Mayfield for those who hate Holl: They are not that much different).

---

I think his first move will be trading Murray with retention for a mid-round pick, or do something fancy with PIT and a team needing a cheap backup (i.e. Rangers):


RD Mark Friedman
3rd round pick 2023 (COL) - from NYR
5th round pick 2023 (PIT)


G Matt Murray (50% retained)
LW Nick Abruzzese
RD Mac Hollowell


G Casey DeSmith

Either that, or if he does make a move on defense, it could be Timmins for a mid-round pick to a team like ANA, or Hirvonen/Voit + 3rd for Borgen from SEA (Borgen would be a far better fit for us than anyone in UFA).

In hindsight the Murray acquisition was one Dubas was able to make because he runs the Leafs.
He is on the books for an $8 million salary this year...who else signs up for that??

And I guess the option is trade 2 assets and $2.34 million this year. (I do like your 2 players)
or
Buyout of $687,000 this year and $2 mill next year

 

[tmlfan98]

A lot of posters saying Samsonov is a Dubas guy, he's more so a Curtis Sanford guy who is still here and should remain here as the team's goalie coach. I doubt Treliving will get rid of the goalie that Sanford got to pick for the tandem last year (Jon Elkin picked Murray). I could actually see Treliving running back Samsonov+Woll as the tandem next season, which would free up a lot more cap to spend elsewhere.

 

[AustonMarner]

It will be to either sign or trade Matthews before July 1st

 

[ShaneFalco]

extending Keefe from.the sounds of it

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

UFAs are not contract extensions. It is a new contract. I actually did read your 1st line.

If you want to say that what player move not associated with the 2023 team for some reason go ahead.

Signing Schenn or Accarri would be Treliving deals IMO and I am hopeful they both get done.

They are under contract to the Leafs for 27 more days therefore They are currently extensions therefore They don't qualify.

If I allowed extensions to qualify everybody answer would be the same because at that point there is only 1 real answer.

I wanted variety

Not that hits are everything, but Liljegren would be 3rd on Calgary's defense in hits behind Weegar and Zadorov... And he was not playing 20+ minutes a night.

Treliving's big thing is more puck moving ability, ability to defend in front of the net, and blocking shots. So I think he will actually like the guys on our defense, including Holl and Schenn. The only big and nasty defenseman he really had last year was Zadorov, and while I think he wants at least one on his defense (which is likely the kind of guy he targets to fill the hole left by Schenn/Holl), he hasn't really had more than two at a time. The rest of his guys are not drastically different than what the Leafs have already.

Liljegren is not quite as thick as Rasmus Andersson is right now, but there are a lot of parallels between their games (especially when you look at Andersson from 2-3 years ago). So I highly doubt he is moving Liljegren... Especially when the greatest concern with the Leafs' defense right now is probably more to do with age than play style. Gio and Brodie are getting up there in age, as is Schenn if he is brought back, and all would be relied upon to handle important roles... Especially since Treliving has always had 3 good and reliable pairings on his team.

Timmins is probably the most likely to be moved, but that is also simply by virtue of being the most replaceable right now too; he was the #9 on our depth chart last year, and is almost certainly not going to be higher than #7 next year. He too can play a style that would fit well with what Treliving wants, and he looked good in the times he played with the Leafs, but his injury history may be a concern and hamper his ability to truly commit to that style as much as Treliving may want.

I do not think the defense is going to be as much of an "overhaul" as people think. An overhaul would be trading Brodie and replacing him with Dumba/Mayfield/Severson. Otherwise, I think it is more likely that he trades Timmins (probably for a mid-round pick), re-signs Schenn to be the #6/7 to rotate with Gio, and then finds a guy to play with Rielly, which could be Dumba/Mayfield/Severson (although word of warning about Mayfield for those who hate Holl: They are not that much different).

---

I think his first move will be trading Murray with retention for a mid-round pick, or do something fancy with PIT and a team needing a cheap backup (i.e. Rangers):


RD Mark Friedman
3rd round pick 2023 (COL) - from NYR
5th round pick 2023 (PIT)


G Matt Murray (50% retained)
LW Nick Abruzzese
RD Mac Hollowell


G Casey DeSmith

Either that, or if he does make a move on defense, it could be Timmins for a mid-round pick to a team like ANA, or Hirvonen/Voit + 3rd for Borgen from SEA (Borgen would be a far better fit for us than anyone in UFA).

Buying out Murray is a significantly cheaper option, at least this year

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A lot of posters saying Samsonov is a Dubas guy, he's more so a Curtis Sanford guy who is still here and should remain here as the team's goalie coach. I doubt Treliving will get rid of the goalie that Sanford got to pick for the tandem last year (Jon Elkin picked Murray). I could actually see Treliving running back Samsonov+Woll as the tandem next season, which would free up a lot more cap to spend elsewhere.

Dubas acquired him therefore he's a Dubas guy.