What's Treliving first deal going to be?

[Captain Crunch]

I don't know who is available. Some people called Mccabe a top 4 D but I disagree. He is cheap for what he offers though.
I do agree if the team wants a superstar D, it will have to trade one of the core. Don't think we need one.

Barring a superstar D, we are looking at moving a D and a pick or 2 for someone decent. Team doesn't need 8 dmen. The D would have to be Brodie as the other ones are not replaceable as they are young and cost contained ...unless Niemela is available.
If we want to trade the young cost contained guys for a D, it kind of screws us for the future.

Lets revisit trading a core member for a superstar again....one of the young guys isnt going to play in the NHL unless he is traded anyways. You are trading a core member to cost contain while moving a cost contained asset. Kind of counter intuitive. Maybe that is ok.
Personally, unless you are getting a guy like Quinn Hughes for Marner, I wouldn't do it
Unless you are getting a guy like Moritz Seider for Nylander (not a top 4 D yet IMO but will be), I wouldn't do it.
Unless you are getting Cale Makar for Matthews, I wouldn't do it.
People can laugh at my ask and say it isn't realistic but getting any of our guys for a bucket of pucks to just free cap is just dumb. These kind of players do not fall from trees.
Then you need to move one of your young guys

The problem with including picks in a Brodie trade is we have precious few in the top 3 rounds for the next 3 years, so if we were to do that, we’re getting another bottom 6 dman. That’s not moving the needle at all. And I do not want to include Niemela unless we are getting a legitimate top 4 dman who is a strong PKer, and even then, I would be hesitant to do it.
I would be all for trading Marner or Nylander for Hughes or Seider, or trading Matthews for Makar.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The problem with including picks in a Brodie trade is we have precious few in the top 3 rounds for the next 3 years, so if we were to do that, we’re getting another bottom 6 dman. That’s not moving the needle at all. And I do not want to include Niemela unless we are getting a legitimate top 4 dman who is a strong PKer, and even then, I would be hesitant to do it.
I would be all for trading Marner or Nylander for Hughes or Seider, or trading Matthews for Makar.

Do we have any picks left after Dubas' desperation moves last year?

 

[Thornbury]

The problem with including picks in a Brodie trade is we have precious few in the top 3 rounds for the next 3 years, so if we were to do that, we’re getting another bottom 6 dman. That’s not moving the needle at all. And I do not want to include Niemela unless we are getting a legitimate top 4 dman who is a strong PKer, and even then, I would be hesitant to do it.
I would be all for trading Marner or Nylander for Hughes or Seider, or trading Matthews for Makar.

You don't need to include picks if all we want to do is clear his $ and get some assets back, at most you might retain 25%.

 

[WillNy29]

Agree.

They are amazing players. Issue is, they are the only players on that team.

Look up stats on the amount of offence these two produce compared of the rest of the team. Its mind boggling.

Leafs issue is we have top guys up front paid heavily and fringe players to compliment them.

Shut down Marner and Matthews wilts.

McDavid will be a threat everytime whether he scores or not.

didn't seem to be the case at 5 on 5 in the Vegas series, especially the final 4 games. Also the offence excuse doesn't work anymore Nuge had 100 pts this season and Hyman was PPG. Bouchard was killing it in the playoffs too

 

[Antropovsky]

Tree wants to improve the D not make it worse. Brodie is still a great defenseman for what he's paid.

trade Marner for a quality D and nhl ready prospect and sign Oreilly.

 

[Captain Crunch]

You don't need to include picks if all we want to do is clear his $ and get some assets back, at most you might retain 25%.

That wasn’t the case with this. The other poster was suggesting doing that trade to get another dman.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Do we have any picks left after Dubas' desperation moves last year?

Currently, the Leafs have 3 picks.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Do we have any picks left after Dubas' desperation moves last year?

For the next three years, we have a total of maybe 3 picks in the first three rounds. So I would say our window with this core (if we keep them) is the next three years. After that, it could be dark times for awhile.

 

[notDatsyuk]

For the next three years, we have a total of maybe 3 picks in the first three rounds. So I would say our window with this core (if we keep them) is the next three years. After that, it could be dark times for awhile.

It was really a rhetorical question, but thanks.

Unfortunately, barring a miracle, our "window with this core" doesn't start until the Tavares fiasco ends.

 

[TheDoldrums]

For the next three years, we have a total of maybe 3 picks in the first three rounds. So I would say our window with this core (if we keep them) is the next three years. After that, it could be dark times for awhile.

Its 4. Still have 2 1st rounders and 2 3rd rounders. Its mainly a lack of 2nd rounders, none left.

Boston, Tampa and Florida are all in worse shape in terms of picks for what it's worth. Its expensive to try and compete in this division.

 

[rumman]

It was really a rhetorical question, but thanks.

Unfortunately, barring a miracle, our "window with this core" doesn't start until the Tavares fiasco ends.

By then the entitled few all have moved on imo………

 

[Trapper]

By then the entitled few all have moved on imo………

Don’t tease me please. I’ve already been patient for 7 years of the rebuild, now I need 2 more years of Tavares and then what? Hope there is more change than just that.

 

[rumman]

Don’t tease me please. I’ve already been patient for 7 years of the rebuild, now I need 2 more years of Tavares and then what? Hope there is more change than just that.

Watch and see what happens either none of 34, 16, 88 will be here or they’ll be so overpaid it will cripple the team again, but even worse.…………

 

[Captain Crunch]

It was really a rhetorical question, but thanks.

Unfortunately, barring a miracle, our "window with this core" doesn't start until the Tavares fiasco ends.

That's what I'm thinking as well, and if Matthews only resigns for 3 more years, then we're talking about an extremely small window!

 

[Arzak]

Watch and see what happens either none of 34, 16, 88 will be here or they’ll be so overpaid it will cripple the team again, but even worse.…………

We gave them this option with 5-year contracts and NMCs. I expect Trel to negotiate with 3 agents at once.

Maybe we can go with 3-year contracts this time around so they get max with the expected cap jump + eat JTs cap hit?

 

[Captain Crunch]

Its 4. Still have 2 1st rounders and 2 3rd rounders. Its mainly a lack of 2nd rounders, none left.

Boston, Tampa and Florida are all in worse shape in terms of picks for what it's worth. Its expensive to try and compete in this division.

Thanks, my bad on forgetting about the first round pick that we still have next year.

Those 3 teams have had much better playoff results than us. Granted, this has been Florida's magical Stanley Cup run this year, but they did win the President's Trophy last year. We have never won our division with this core, let alone only getting past the first round once and then only winning one game in the 2nd round.

 

[mydnyte]

Nylander + Samsonov Rights
for
Hellebuyck + PLD Rights

Probably need to offer more though and come with a guarantee PLD signs.

Video game GM'ing but who knows. Can't hurt to ask.

it will be hard for the Jets to get a better offer than that to stay competitive without going into rebuild mode.
if they are going for an overhaul/rebuild, then, picks/prospects but, i cant see them tear it down that much

PLD just has his career best season @ 63 points and under 30 goals. he is essentially a 60 point #2C
Nylander is easily a top line RW who would look pretty good next to Scheifele, with Connor on the other side

 

[rumman]

Don’t tease me please. I’ve already been patient for 7 years of the rebuild, now I need 2 more years of Tavares and then what? Hope there is more change than just that.

no one said being a Leaf fan was easy, or enjoyable for that matter.......

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Nylander + Samsonov Rights
for
Hellebuyck + PLD Rights

Probably need to offer more though and come with a guarantee PLD signs.

Video game GM'ing but who knows. Can't hurt to ask.

Change PLD to Ehlers you can't risk PLD not signing

 

[tmlms13]

it will be hard for the Jets to get a better offer than that to stay competitive without going into rebuild mode.
if they are going for an overhaul/rebuild, then, picks/prospects but, i cant see them tear it down that much

PLD just has his career best season @ 63 points and under 30 goals. he is essentially a 60 point #2C
Nylander is easily a top line RW who would look pretty good next to Scheifele, with Connor on the other side

Don't forget PLD is still only 24, he could just be a late bloomer. Put him in a situation where he's a little happier and he could break out.

To go from Samsonov to Helly you gotta give something up. Sure Nylander could become a 100 pt player, but I'd chalk that up to becoming the main guy and not the 3rd on a big 3. (or the contract year bump)

 

[cupcrazyman2]

Keep our 2023 1st

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Don't forget PLD is still only 24, he could just be a late bloomer. Put him in a situation where he's a little happier and he could break out.

To go from Samsonov to Helly you gotta give something up. Sure Nylander could become a 100 pt player, but I'd chalk that up to becoming the main guy and not the 3rd on a big 3. (or the contract year bump)

He's also a headache who's not going to be happy unless he's in mtl, even then who knows.

But I'd do Nylander and sam for Helly and elhers..

 

[Smif]

The Arizona Coyotes got a 2022 first-round pick, conditional third, and Connor Timmins for then 31-year-old Darcy Kuemper. Would think the Flyers would want more than that?

Option #1
Leafs 1st (from Boston) + RFA rights Samsonov and Connor Timmins for Carter Hart.
Option #2
Leafs 1st (from Boston) + Matt Murray (50% retained) + Timothy Liljegren for Carter Hart.

Why do you see Hart as an upgrade on Samsonov?

 

[Smif]

His first deal is to not deal anyone .hes running it back
In 2 years Tannenbaum get s the board to name him president
Then they tear it down losing both mathews and marner after another second round collapse

You think he's going to get a promotion by doing nothing and getting his boss fired? Sounds reasonable...

 

[myleafs]

We gave them this option with 5-year contracts and NMCs. I expect Trel to negotiate with 3 agents at once.

Maybe we can go with 3-year contracts this time around so they get max with the expected cap jump + eat JTs cap hit?

And then just keep filling in around the edges dumpster diving like hat we have been doing since they signed their current contracts?