It's not exactly unusual. There's always some variation, especially in these smaller sample sizes. Murray faced the higher xGA/60 by 0.19. There are a number of possible reasons, but most likely reason is the teams he happened to face being higher quality or more offensively-oriented teams.
What would you have done?
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Can’t blame him for that. I want that too. (Fill in the blanks)
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Not really. It is like getting change back from a 10$ bill. You may have used the bill but you didn't spend 10$. Like the draft pick. They may have used the first but they got the pick 13 slots down.
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Every trade ever. You're just explaining trades. Which is weird.
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Amongst that "stuff" was a pick just 13 slots lower. Seems kind of silly to try and avoid admitting that.
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I'm not avoiding admitting anything. I'm not the one saying they didn't really trade a 1st round pick, because they also got something back.
They traded a 1st round pick. Got a second round pick back. And got rid of Mrazek and his contract.
There's literally no other way to describe the trade.
Defending Dubas for "not really trading a 1st round pick going out" is embarrassing.
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Why? Some people thought that the Leafs paid a first to dump the Mzarek contract, when in reality he was the make weight in a trade down. We didn't get the third or fourth rounder that would normally come as part of a trade down- it was the cost of dumping Mzarek.
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There's actually a much better and more accurate way to describe it - he traded the 25th overall pick for the 38th overall pick.
It's embarrassing. And fans of other teams think all Leafs fans are this way. Defending every single move he makes. Posting expected bull shit. It's tiring.It really is bizarre the lengths the Defense League will go.
Seems like a loss when you put it like that.
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I don't think they believe half of what they post, just looking for attention.
Yeah the usual. Yourself, Dekes, Fogelhund, Kb, Leaf fans, Nylanderthal.
The ones that go to bat for him in every move.
I'd have to agree with that.
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OK so nobody argued what you say they did, and you're angry that they think you calling a swap of 25th for 38th simply "trading a 1st" is deliberately misleading. Got it.
I didn't say they simply traded a 1st. I said they traded a 1st and got stuff back. That's when you popped up and your sirens went off. You were offended about the "stuff back".
Please stop continually lying. It really doesn't help the discussion. If you need help on the truth, just ask around.
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It's interesting that the difference between "a 1st" and "stuff" sounds wildly more significant than the difference between (the more accurate) "#25" and "#38".
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They like to put out these distractions (like what's being done here) in the hopes that people will forget what is really important, that the GM messed up again.
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maybe to bring everyone together - if i may.
this wasn't a trading of a first round pick like years past (like foligno) - in the sense the the first round pick in it's entirety was gone, shipped off, used on a player.
in this case, technically toronto sacrificed 13 draft slots to dump a contract. yes they used their first round pick in the deal, and received a 2nd round pick in the process. with the players left on the board they felt 13 slots was tight enough to still get who they wanted.
it's both really - technically yes another first rounder traded - but realistically not in the sense that the leafs had to wait 31 spots to draft again (as if a first round pick was traded for a player)
this wasn't a trading of a first round pick like years past (like foligno) - in the sense the the first round pick in it's entirety was gone, shipped off, used on a player.
in this case, technically toronto sacrificed 13 draft slots to dump a contract. yes they used their first round pick in the deal, and received a 2nd round pick in the process. with the players left on the board they felt 13 slots was tight enough to still get who they wanted.
it's both really - technically yes another first rounder traded - but realistically not in the sense that the leafs had to wait 31 spots to draft again (as if a first round pick was traded for a player)
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That's all anyone ever said, they traded the goalie and a 1st for a 2nd.
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that's not what was said.
what was said was
"traded a 1st to get rid of a goalie"
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"traded a 1st for stuff"
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There are people however paying attention,
GM goes out and signs a UFA Petr Mrazak to a brutal 3 year contract.
GM goes out and signs a UFA Nick Ritchie to a brutal 2 year contract.
These are suppose to be adding players for free of asset costs to improve the team, but in less the 1 year you have to deal assets to erase mistakes speaks to the GM job performance.
GM goes out and trades Mrazek with Leafs 1st to dump that mistake signing, and gets a 2nd in return.
GM goes out and trades Ritchie to dump that mistake, where the Coyotes will have their pick of the Leafs' third-round choice in 2023, or second-round pick in 2025 & get to rent Ilya Lyubushkin for 30 games now gone.
So OUT: Mrazek, Ritchie, 1st round pick & conditional 2nd round pick ... IN: 2nd round pick
The best asset the Leafs get back was their own cap space the main reason these trades occurred, which is exactly what they had before GM went out and made those brutal signings.
The 2nd round pick back from Mrazek, basically offsets and covers the pick they dealt to dump Ritchie.
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