What is wrong with Mcdavid?

[Drytoast]

disagree on Eichel but there is something to be said about this forsure

You need an extra good GM to squeeze as much talent into the roster as possible with high AAV players

and if you ever end up in a situation like Edmonton at the start of the year where your 12m+ guy is injured and not producing things get ugly fast. But McDavid is absolutely worth the money, just Chia and Holland didn't do a very good job of surrounding him with players on good deals. Lots of garbage contracts... but it's not easy being a GM in the arctic north, no one wants to play here

If you can get a competent first line center who can contribute both in games that matter and games that don't for 10M or less. You get great value to better surround said player with competent players in all key positions. Sure. Campbell shitting the bed after they spent 5M on goal sucks. But so does their third line so does their defense.

The team has holes. The cap management creates those holes.

Some comments you should just keep to yourself.

You can come up with every excuse in the book as to why this photo exists but the reality is under a cap system, cap management trumps prestige of any one player. Eichel at 10M is more valuable to building a team than McDavid at 12.5.

There is NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE worth 12.5M. And yes I absolutely put Matthews in there as well.

 

[Drytoast]

Yeh we should just pay the best player in the NHL like he’s some 3rd line scrub. Unfortunately these things called Agents exist.

Oh I know WHY it happens. But the reality of MATH doesn't give a flying f*** about prestige.

If you dive that deep on one player, you both take money away from another position AND you've set the internal cap bar of that locker room.

Not worth it. Toronto AND Edmonton are showcasing real time why you shouldn't do this.

 

[Coffey]

If you can get a competent first line center who can contribute both in games that matter and games that don't for 10M or less. You get great value to better surround said player with competent players in all key positions. Sure. Campbell shitting the bed after they spent 5M on goal sucks. But so does their third line so does their defense.

The team has holes. The cap management creates those holes.

You can come up with every excuse in the book as to why this photo exists but the reality is under a cap system, cap management trumps prestige of any one player. Eichel at 10M is more valuable to building a team than McDavid at 12.5.

There is NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE worth 12.5M. And yes I absolutely put Matthews in there as well.

You think 2.5M dollars difference is why Vegas won a cup and Edmonton didn't?
You could touch Mars with that reach.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh I know WHY it happens. But the reality of MATH doesn't give a flying f*** about prestige.

If you dive that deep on one player, you both take money away from another position AND you've set the internal cap bar of that locker room.

Not worth it. Toronto AND Edmonton are showcasing real time why you shouldn't do this.

Meh not really. Oilers only got beat by the eventual cup winners two years straight. It’s so close to working that you take that over the alternative. You really think an Oilers team built without McDavid reaches top 4 levels of success? Yeh not happening.

 

[Drytoast]

You think 2.5M dollars difference is why Vegas won a cup and Edmonton didn't?
You could touch Mars with that reach.

I think it doesn't help. Proper cap management is the name of the game. What could you get with that difference? two defenseman valued at least a mil more then the ones you currently have? You think that would impact Edmonton? Having 2 competent defenders back there?

 

[Kamus]

He costs too f***ing much which means he can't be surrounded with a competent team that consists of hard working, decently skilled 3 lines deep that can pull their weight and take pressure off of him.

Currently Edmonton, like Toronto...sucks both in goal and on the back end.

Solution? Stop overpaying talent because of prestige. And pay them to what their value actually is. McDavid isn't worth 12M+ The damage done to the cap by setting that bar as standard pay destroys your cap structure and the cap don't give two f***s about how good McDavid is.

Eichel at 10M is more valuable than McDavid at 12M+

Yes so Holland can then have the cap space to sign Nurse to 11 million a year

 

[Drytoast]

Yes so Holland can then have the cap space to sign Nurse to 11 million a year

Well you can't fix stupid.

Meh not really. Oilers only got beat by the eventual cup winners two years straight. It’s so close to working that you take that over the alternative. You really think an Oilers team built without McDavid reaches top 4 levels of success? Yeh not happening.

Ok. Excuses it is. Enjoy never winning. Don't fret, I'm right there with you.

 

[Video Nasty]

I think it doesn't help. Proper cap management is the name of the game. What could you get with that difference? two defenseman valued at least a mil more then the ones you currently have? You think that would impact Edmonton? Having 2 competent defenders back there?

One needs to be adept at proper cap management to begin with. What would having an extra $2.5 million in space do for the Oilers, other than having more opportunities to make more bad decisions?

Most other teams could easily build around McDavid making $15 million per year in a cap world of $87+ million.

Can’t even imagine how much more disheartening it would be for McDavid to look around and think to himself “this is what the money I’m leaving on the table is going towards?”

The solution to this problem is not paying your league wide attraction, on and off ice, less money. The weight that he lifts is worth twice as much. Committing to Edmonton for an additional 8 years at $100 million was already a discount.

Crosby and Malkin inflicted similar or even higher cap hits at certain points than McDavid, and they had competent team building, shrewd drafting, and sensible management moves aid them in their goals.

 

[TheNumber4]

Well you can't fix stupid.


Ok. Excuses it is. Enjoy never winning. Don't fret, I'm right there with you.

Lol it’s not an excuse just cause you can’t address the counter point.

 

[Drytoast]

One needs to be adept at proper cap management to begin with. What would having an extra $2.5 million in space do for the Oilers, other than having more opportunities to make more bad decisions?

Most other teams could easily build around McDavid making $15 million per year in a cap world of $87+ million.

Can’t even imagine how much more disheartening it would be for McDavid to look around and think to himself “this is what the money I’m leaving on the table is going towards?”

The solution to this problem is not paying your league wide attraction, on and off ice, less money.

Crosby and Malkin inflicted similar or even higher cap hits at certain points than McDavid, and they had competent team building and shrewd drafting and management moves aid them in their goals.

Well yes. If you have a dumb ass GM who can't properly manage his cap...then it's a dead conversation. The idea of recognizing talent's proper worth versus the cap and paying out as close to that as possible would also include the ability to not over pay in another other position.

 

[Coffey]

Well yes. If you have a dumb ass GM who can't properly manage his cap...then it's a dead conversation.

And yet here we are.

 

[Video Nasty]

Well yes. If you have a dumb ass GM who can't properly manage his cap...then it's a dead conversation. The idea of recognizing talent's proper worth versus the cap and paying out as close to that as possible would also include the ability to not over pay in another other position.

Ok, so we’re on the same page. Where’s the argument?

 

[Drytoast]

Lol it’s not an excuse just cause you can’t address the counter point.

I addressed this with the other guy. If you are smart enough to not over pay at 1C and recognize a player's true value against the cap. Then you have to assume they wouldn't be dumb enough to pay nurse 11 mil or overpay any player at any position.

Because proper cap management.

And if I'm being honest here? McDavid's quality of life isn't substantially greater because he makes 2.5 mil more a year. Considering his sponsorship opportunities.

If players want to win, they need to figure out that they gotta leave shit on the table. So it's a two way street. Milking your team for as much as you can on negotiations is just going to f*** over your future chances of success.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Wasn't Vegas like $10m over the cap when they beat the Oilers?

Why would the $2.5m difference in McDavid's Salary make a lick of a difference between him and Eichel?

 

[MadLuke]

I think it doesn't help. Proper cap management is the name of the game. What could you get with that difference? two defenseman valued at least a mil more then the ones you currently have? You think that would impact Edmonton? Having 2 competent defenders back there?

Do you think it would be more than the impact of a 53 pts in his last 28 playoff game/181 pts in his last 101 regular seasson game center versus his replacement ?

The maximum salary rule made certain that McDavid value for his cap hit would be one of the best if not the best in the league for players with a regular contract and a no brainer for a GM to do.

 

[Drytoast]

Ok, so we’re on the same page. Where’s the argument?

The arguement you all seem but hurt about is the reality that you get more worth from Eichel at 10M being the 1C then McDavid at 12.5M. Because you have a better chance of building a more adequate and balanced team around that person.

Do you think it would be more than the impact of a 53 pts in his last 28 playoff game/181 pts in his last 101 regular seasson game center versus his replacement ?

The maximum salary rule made certain that McDavid value for his cap hits would be one of the best if not the best in league for players with a regular contract and a no brainer for a GM to do.

Based on their success? What do you think? Last year was the first time I believe in cap history that someone won the cup making 10M. That's not a coincidence.

 

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If you can get a competent first line center who can contribute both in games that matter and games that don't for 10M or less. You get great value to better surround said player with competent players in all key positions. Sure. Campbell shitting the bed after they spent 5M on goal sucks. But so does their third line so does their defense.

The team has holes. The cap management creates those holes.

You can come up with every excuse in the book as to why this photo exists but the reality is under a cap system, cap management trumps prestige of any one player. Eichel at 10M is more valuable to building a team than McDavid at 12.5.

There is NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE worth 12.5M. And yes I absolutely put Matthews in there as well.

First, Matthews isn't even in the same stratosphere as McDavid. Second McDavid is absolutely worth 12.5M. A lesser percentage of the cap than Crosby, Ovi and Malkin earned when they all won cups.

1 team wins the stanley cup every year. Vegas LTIR'd 9.5M dollars last season to make additions lol

 

[MadLuke]

Based on their success? What do you think?

That the oilers are better with McDavid vs Eichel+2 millions room for the cap. Look at the success of many 10 millions stars forward (Aho, Barkov) we can find a list that did not win the cup yet.

Was Mark Stone LTIR move a smaller deal than the 2 millions contract difference ?

 

[Roksta]

If you can get a competent first line center who can contribute both in games that matter and games that don't for 10M or less. You get great value to better surround said player with competent players in all key positions. Sure. Campbell shitting the bed after they spent 5M on goal sucks. But so does their third line so does their defense.

The team has holes. The cap management creates those holes.

You can come up with every excuse in the book as to why this photo exists but the reality is under a cap system, cap management trumps prestige of any one player. Eichel at 10M is more valuable to building a team than McDavid at 12.5.

There is NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE worth 12.5M. And yes I absolutely put Matthews in there as well.

The difference between Eichel and McDavid is a plug

If you think McDavid wouldn't have won with last year's Vegas team without a plug or/and Hague you're delusional

 

[OilWagon]

The arguement you all seem but hurt about is the reality that you get more worth from Eichel at 10M being the 1C then McDavid at 12.5M. Because you have a better chance of building a more adequate and balanced team around that person.



Based on their success? What do you think?

Based on success clearly you want pat maroon, 3 cups and another 9-12 mill in cap space? You could get anything with that, maybe even a player half as good as McDavid!

 

[v00d00daddy]

He’s back! Amazing numbers.
15 pts in the last 5 games.
They beat the cup champs and beat the hot Caps in those games.

But…they also lost 2 of the 5 and…

He’s just like he’s been at his peak last year. Crazy points but his +/- is 0

I know it’s not a league/team comparison stat but I do see it as an internal simple stat to understand.

He’s putting up crazy numbers but he’s on the ice for just as many even strength goals against as goals for.

I know I’ll get slammed but I’ll say it anyway.

This is not his peak to me. If he can tighten up defensively he’ll help his team points. Even if it costs him a few personal points

 

[Video Nasty]

The arguement you all seem but hurt about is the reality that you get more worth from Eichel at 10M being the 1C then McDavid at 12.5M. Because you have a better chance of building a more adequate and balanced team around that person.



Based on their success? What do you think? Last year was the first time I believe in cap history that someone won the cup making 10M. That's not a coincidence.

1. If that’s your argument, I’m not going to engage in it. You can call it a win on your side, but it’s lunacy.

2. Players haven’t been making $10 million/yr for that long. 8 years I believe. Salaries and caps only go up, and the percentage hits for star players are all fairly similar. It’s like trying to draw any conclusions from shortly after Gretzky and Lemieux were the only players who made $1 million per year. There are none to be drawn.

 

[GreatGonzo]

If you can get a competent first line center who can contribute both in games that matter and games that don't for 10M or less. You get great value to better surround said player with competent players in all key positions. Sure. Campbell shitting the bed after they spent 5M on goal sucks. But so does their third line so does their defense.

The team has holes. The cap management creates those holes.

You can come up with every excuse in the book as to why this photo exists but the reality is under a cap system, cap management trumps prestige of any one player. Eichel at 10M is more valuable to building a team than McDavid at 12.5.

There is NO PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE worth 12.5M. And yes I absolutely put Matthews in there as well.

Except they didn’t build around him, he was put on a team with a better supporting cast than McDavid has had. Sure, his contribution to their cup win can’t be ignored, but let’s not pretend like their team situations are at all similar.

 

[winnipegger]

wHaT's WrOnG WiTh mCdAviD

 

[phrenssoa]

He missed games dude, he was clearly hurt lol

His faceoff percentage didn't suddenly drop from 50+% to 25% over a long stretch for no reason

he couldn't shoot, he couldn't pass, he couldn't turn on a dime, his speed was dimished

i mean it was blatantly obvious he was injured. Like I said he even missed games...

It’s never wise to assume. He obviously got hurt, whether he was playing injured or not is unknown.