ACC1224
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What can we do to get Keefe fired.
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It's funny to think people still hold onto this because Cherry said it 30 years ago
SmoggyTwinkles
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Generally coaches get themselves fired.
But sometimes the crowd chants fire "Coach's name" and it actually works. Like how Rotten Ronnie went down.
Keefe and this team are nowhere near that IMO.
But sometimes the crowd chants fire "Coach's name" and it actually works. Like how Rotten Ronnie went down.
Keefe and this team are nowhere near that IMO.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
I really doubt Keefe tapped someone on the shoulder and said "Jump on, nobody will notice."
I think it's a lot closer than most think on the fan outrage, it's just likely misguided.
I'm fine to move on from Keefe, the team could likely use a fresh voice, but most of the criticisms are out of touch
thewave
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Why fire him. I love mediocrity. I love respect in the handshake line. I also love puzzled looks and not really quite grasping what is happening with the line juggling; especially in the playoffs.
I love my Leafs just the way they are and so should you. If you know whats good for ya, hahaha.
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I love my Leafs just the way they are and so should you. If you know whats good for ya, hahaha.
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I'm 60. I have been playing since I was 3 including 3 years in Europe. I have coached at all levels for 22 years. I am certified advanced 2 or the old level 5. I assure you, bench minors are the coaches fault. Not having control of the bench is in fact, the coaches responsibility.
Blanche Blanche
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Dubas was in way over his head...
His soft speedy players spiel turning into we need toughness 4 years later proved he was clueless in the big leagues.
And so was Keefe.
Losing CBJ and Habs series with a cap maxed out team vs complete Rebuilds with barely 1 star on their teams proved he wasn't on the same league. Playoffs get real tight and technical, and the coach is a difference maker.
I mean jesus... Look at Oilers, a wet noodle dull start of this season, players looking depressed, and now they're setting records on a 14 game streak.
Overnight. New coach. New vibes. Players trust him.
Keefe had that respect for a few season with this group. He is halfway tuned out by now if not fully.
His soft speedy players spiel turning into we need toughness 4 years later proved he was clueless in the big leagues.
And so was Keefe.
Losing CBJ and Habs series with a cap maxed out team vs complete Rebuilds with barely 1 star on their teams proved he wasn't on the same league. Playoffs get real tight and technical, and the coach is a difference maker.
I mean jesus... Look at Oilers, a wet noodle dull start of this season, players looking depressed, and now they're setting records on a 14 game streak.
Overnight. New coach. New vibes. Players trust him.
Keefe had that respect for a few season with this group. He is halfway tuned out by now if not fully.
Tie Domi Esquire
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I agree. I think there's never been a bigger divide in the fanbase between the different sects. And I think we know which group is attending games.
SmoggyTwinkles
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The people that enjoy paying hundreds of dollars for a regular season game, and the seats are ho-hum?
That ain't me I'll tell you that! LOL. Even if I had that kind of money to throw around for a night out, I'd spend it elsewhere.
seventieslord
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I love how there's now a thread literally talking about what we as fans can do to get the coach fired, and yet I can't get a single person on board with working together as a fan base to address the real problem with the team: that it's impossible to build a championship winning squad with John Tavares earning $11 million. When it's that, everybody's like, "oh well, there's nothing we can do, we'll just have to wait until his contract is up and then we can contend again". Bullshit.
SmoggyTwinkles
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The other idea would be "hmmmm, maybe we need to keep Keefe around because Matthews/Nylander like him, and we need to re-sign them"
Well, they're locked up for now, so no worries there.
Marner? Who cares, no way I want him re-upped at $13per.
But, things will have to get worse before they make the move I think we all know that. Like if we drop into wildcard or lower, maybe something happens.
colchar
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JT has a no movement clause, Keefe doesn't.
And Marner needs to go before JT because his attitude sucks and he will ask for the world in his next deal.
seventieslord
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I'm an assistant coach of u13 hockey players and we took a too many Men penalty just last night. I feel 100% responsible for it.
SmoggyTwinkles
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seventieslord
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SmoggyTwinkles
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Exactly what I said. You could look it up, and the whole "Muskoka 5" situation.
But I'll tell you what happened because I listened to it happen on the radio.
Leafs wanted to trade their Captain Mats Sundin, who had a full NMC. I guess he wan't interested in waving that and wanted to play out there year as a Maple Leaf, and wanted to re-sign.
Cliff Fletcher went on sports radio and said this, and the fanbase turned on Mats, because we could have got a sweet package for him at the trade deadline.
Sundin "retired" after the season but came back to the NHL and signed with the Canucks nearly midway through the season.
It was a classless thing for Fletcher to take that public like that, to get the fanbase to turn on Mats our beloved Captain in hopes of shaming him into waving his NMC.
I'd prefer not to go down that road with Tavares.
ACC1224
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SmoggyTwinkles
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I'm no fan of Keefe, but how is he in front of the firing squad before Shanahan?
I'll take a 2 for 1 please.
I'll take a 2 for 1 please.
SmoggyTwinkles
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Figured I'd give you the beginning of what when down vs my memory of it.
This was the start of the "Muskoka 5"
I don't know how long after these statements from Fletcher turned into him going on whatever sports show and basically calling out Sundin for not waving his NMC, but that happened.
And it was a total shitshow, and obviously his other teammates who had NMC's were on Sundin's side, and Fletcher basically just f***ed us over and insulted the players we loved for no freakin' reason.
Let's not do that to Tavares. They want to ask behind closed doors and Tavares says "no" then leave it at that. That's his right.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
See, that's why I had to ask exactly what you were referring to. I'm surprised you think this is anything close to the same situation.
- Sundin was a far superior player despite being 4 years older than JT is now
- Sundin actually was beloved
- Sundin had been with the team for over twice as long as JT has now
- Sundin had pulled his weight from a contract and expectations standpoint every year he was here, and was continuing to.
- Sundin had played in 15 playoff series with the Leafs, winning 7, so he had a lot more reason to feel like the team "owed" him the chance to determine his own destiny
- You contend that management turned the fanbase against a player, I'm contending that in this case the fanbase is already largely against this player and need to get management to get the memo: complete opposite.
- Sundin was in an "expiring contract" situation (on a mediocre, aging team that everyone knew needed to rebuild) and it was logical for management to trade him and logical for fans to expect it as well. The idea that it was "news" when Fletcher said it on the radio, is ludicrous. The fact that the Leafs weren't making the playoffs, had Sundin on an expiring contract and did not trade him, would have told us all we needed to know, whether Fletcher said anything or not. He didn't turn anyone against Sundin who wouldn't have already been annoyed by his refusal to move. JT, on the other hand, is not an expiring contract on a mediocre team, he's just an anchor on what could be a contender. The stakes are higher. He's the #1 thing preventing this team from having a chance at a Stanley cup, this season and next, while the rest of the core gets two years older.
... and you're worried about "class"
Backing up a bit here, the whole point of my post was to point out that, as a fanbase, we either have the ability to influence management to fire Keefe or we don't. If we do, then we also have the ability to get them to move on from Tavares. Or, maybe we don't have the power to do either. But it seems, correct me if I'm wrong, that a lot of people seem to think we could do one, but not the other.
Not to take a firm position on the matter, but I remember whining and crying until they brought Clark back. And I remember Larry Murphy being run out of town for less than nothing just a year later. So it's not like it would be without precedent in Toronto. "But we're so helpless," say Leafs fans. "we can't move JT, has has a no move clause and he won't waive it no matter what they say. And besides, he's our beloved captain and it would be classless."
seventieslord
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Are you sure it was only in 2008 that they started to be referred to as that? I am pretty sure Bill Watters was using that term on a daily basis on Leafs Lunch as the 2007 deadline approached, possibly even 2006, but surely 07.
